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bushman
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Not exactly rocket science, since advancing into built-up areas is a soldiers nightmare.
Defenders have a lot of protection from HE ordnance.

Stalingrad and Falluja for example, had flamethrowers and white phosphorus.

Gaza is one of the most populated places on the planet tho, and it's not like the population can even run anyplace, since they're penned into Gaza like fish in a barrel.

I saw pictures like this earlier in the week which looked like cluster munitions or willy pete, obviously a type of airburst ordinance.
Not a cheep from the media at the time though.
I'm kinda surprised they used this stuff in broad daylight, it must be getting pretty rough in there...

Happy days.

The Gazans will have to learn to live underground, like they did in Vietnam.

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Human Rights Watch says pictures like this point to white phosphorus use, but Israel denies this


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Medics in Gaza say latest casualties include at least 60 people affected by suspected phosphorus shells fired illegally near civilian areas.
An Israeli army spokeswoman strongly denied the report, saying all its munitions complied with the law.
An Israeli spokesman also denied Human Rights Watch allegations of multiple use of white phosphorus in the bombing.
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These people were burned over their bodies in a way that can only be caused by white phosphorous
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Yousef Abu Rish
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IBOX -->Palestinian medics in Khan Younis said the Israelis fired phosphorus shells at Khouza, east of the southern city, killing a woman and causing at least 60 people to suffer gas inhalation and burns.
"These people were burned over their bodies in a way that can only be caused by white phosphorus," said Dr Yousef Abu Rish.
Human Rights Watch said its researches observed multiple shell-bursts of white phosphorus on 9 and 10 January near Gaza City and Jabaliya refugee camp.
There is no way to independently explain the contradiction between the Israeli military's denial and claims by Dr Abu Rish as well as other Palestinian doctors and HRW.
Israel has prevented international journalists from entering the Gaza Strip during its bombardment.
Horrific burns
HRW cited numerous photos and video of the Israeli bombardment appearing to show the characteristic outline of white phosphorus shells.
It acknowledged the weapons appeared to have been used legally to make smoke screens to hide troop movements, but warned of the risk to Palestinian civilians.
"White phosphorus can burn down houses and cause horrific burns when it touches the skin," said Human Rights Watch analyst Marc Garlasco.
The Israeli army said operational secrecy prevented disclosure of its weaponry, but emphasised it "only employs weapons permitted by international law".
White phosphorus sticks to human skin and will burn right through to the bone, causing death or leaving survivors with painful wounds which are slow to heal.
The international convention on the use of incendiary weapons says it should not be used where civilians are concentrated.
Controversial use
The US military in Iraq admitted using white phosphorus as a weapon in the assault on Falluja in 2004 - after initial denials, although it insisted the use was legal.
Afterwards, officials for the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons stressed white phosphorus use was permissible only if it was to produce smoke.
However, if its "toxic or caustic properties" are specifically intended to be used as a weapon, it would be considered a chemical rather than incendiary weapon and therefore would be banned.
The Israeli military has used phosphorus shells in the past, during its bombardment of Lebanon in 2006. Minister Jacob Edery told the Israeli parliament after the 2006 war: "The [Israeli Defence Forces] holds phosphorus munitions in different forms... [and] made use of phosphorous shells during the war against Hezbollah in attacks against military targets in open ground." The Israeli military was strongly criticised for some of its tactics in 2006, including the widespread use of cluster munitions in the final hours before a ceasefire came into effect.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7823078.stm
 

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Is it worse than this?

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=HamasExploitationofCiviliansV&ak=null

Or This?

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An armed Hamas terrorist violently grabs an innocent young boy off the street to use as a human shield in order to save his own life.

Download: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=ChildrenHumanShield-D&ak=null
View: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=ChildrenHumanShield-V&ak=null


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Excerpts from a speech by Hamas MP Fathi Hammad (29 February 2008) on Hamas' al-Aqsa television station that tells how women, children and the elderly have been inducted into Hamas' death-worshipping cult and turned into human shields.
Fathi Hammad: [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."

Hamas - "We desire death like you desire life" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWIDZ7Jpdqg


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ANB TV-Lebanon (20 November 2006) shows a crowd of Palestinians gathering on the roof of Wa'el Rajab, a high-ranking Hamas police officer, to act as human shields. Nizar Rayan, a senior Hamas leader appears on Palestinian television (18 November 2006) to say that "the people of Palestine should gather as one to protect the Jihad warriors' houses" and that "we will die as warriors."

Terrorists Using Civilians as Human Shields: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2G1TZKerTo

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Hamas’s al-Aqsa TV called upon children to form a human shield at the home of Abu al-Hatal of the a-Shouqaf quarter of Sajaiyeh in order to protect the building from an anticipated IDF airstrike (March 1). Note that the TV station actually uses the term "human shield," unashamed of committing a war crime.

Download: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=1915990&ak=null
View: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=1915991&ak=null
View (youtube): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DCuRzzsKnk

Al-Aqsa TV News broadcast a story about how a crowd of civilians gathered on the roof of Abu Bilal al-Ja’abeer in the Northern Gaza strip, in order cause the IDF to abort a threatened airstrike against the structure. Again, this terrorist flagrantly disregards international law and blatantly uses the term "human shield"

Download: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=StandingOnRoof-D&ak=null
View: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=StandingOnRoof-V&ak=null



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5]

A terrorist cell is captured on tape while launching mortar bombs from an UNRWA elementary school for boys in the town of Beit Hanoun in the northern Gaza Strip.The footage, taken by IDF aircraft on Monday, October 29, 2007 at approximately 9:00 am, shows three terrorists preparing and then launching the mortars from the school, which they used for cover immediately afterwards.


Download: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=mortarshellStreet-D&ak=null
View: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=mortarshellStreet-V&ak=null



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6]

Hamas’ al-Aqsa TV (6 Jan 2009), documents civilian-clothed Hamas mortar crews operating 120mm mortars in the middle of Jebaliya, northern Gaza, just hours before the incident at the Jebaliya UNRWA school. Note how they ready their weapon, and then run toward buildings to hide as it fires.

Download: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=MortarFromSchool-D&ak=null
View: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=MortarFromSchool-V&ak=null


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7]

Hamas indoctrinates children, including kindergartners, to hate Jews and carry out suicide bombings and other types of terrorist attacks. Hamas also fires guns and mortars at Israeli targets while surrounded by children and young adults, using them as human shields.

View (youtube): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8


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8]

A young Palestinian girl tells the story of her suffering during the conflict in Gaza, and places the blame squarely on Hamas.

Palestinian girl: Hamas responsible for war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLIdxF-GHWw


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9]

Members of the more moderate Fatah (PLO) tell their shocking stories of abuse at the hands of Hamas when that terrorist organization attacked Fatah supporters.

Fatah testimonials about Hamas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoH19b1TrZo


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10]

Screen capture from the Voice of Palestine website, glorifying the story Dr. Nizar al-Rayyan "who took the initiative, two years ago, to protect homes against Israeli occupation air strikes by forming human shields" after Israel sent warnings of imminent attacks.

Link to the page
Download PDF



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Israel Air Force footage of a Hamas mortar crew operating inside a Gaza school compound and a Hamas rocket salvo being fired at an Israeli city during the three hour humanitarian respite on 8 Jan 2009.

Download: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=3271370&ak=null
Play: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=3271371&ak=null


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Short film on the discovery by Israeli troops of a zoo and a school wired with explosives by Hamas terrorists in Gaza, 11 Jan 2009.

Download: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=3276454&ak=null
Play: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=3276455&ak=null

Oh but the "neutral" "Human Rights Watch" "says" Israel is using phosphorus.
 

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i hope israel uses any color of phosphorus they can
 

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Is it worse than this?

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=HamasExploitationofCiviliansV&ak=null

Or This?

1]

An armed Hamas terrorist violently grabs an innocent young boy off the street to use as a human shield in order to save his own life.

Download: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=ChildrenHumanShield-D&ak=null
View: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=ChildrenHumanShield-V&ak=null


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2]

Excerpts from a speech by Hamas MP Fathi Hammad (29 February 2008) on Hamas' al-Aqsa television station that tells how women, children and the elderly have been inducted into Hamas' death-worshipping cult and turned into human shields.
Fathi Hammad: [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."

Hamas - "We desire death like you desire life" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWIDZ7Jpdqg


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3]

ANB TV-Lebanon (20 November 2006) shows a crowd of Palestinians gathering on the roof of Wa'el Rajab, a high-ranking Hamas police officer, to act as human shields. Nizar Rayan, a senior Hamas leader appears on Palestinian television (18 November 2006) to say that "the people of Palestine should gather as one to protect the Jihad warriors' houses" and that "we will die as warriors."

Terrorists Using Civilians as Human Shields: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2G1TZKerTo

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

4]

Hamas’s al-Aqsa TV called upon children to form a human shield at the home of Abu al-Hatal of the a-Shouqaf quarter of Sajaiyeh in order to protect the building from an anticipated IDF airstrike (March 1). Note that the TV station actually uses the term "human shield," unashamed of committing a war crime.

Download: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=1915990&ak=null
View: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=1915991&ak=null
View (youtube): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DCuRzzsKnk

Al-Aqsa TV News broadcast a story about how a crowd of civilians gathered on the roof of Abu Bilal al-Ja’abeer in the Northern Gaza strip, in order cause the IDF to abort a threatened airstrike against the structure. Again, this terrorist flagrantly disregards international law and blatantly uses the term "human shield"

Download: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=StandingOnRoof-D&ak=null
View: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=StandingOnRoof-V&ak=null



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

5]

A terrorist cell is captured on tape while launching mortar bombs from an UNRWA elementary school for boys in the town of Beit Hanoun in the northern Gaza Strip.The footage, taken by IDF aircraft on Monday, October 29, 2007 at approximately 9:00 am, shows three terrorists preparing and then launching the mortars from the school, which they used for cover immediately afterwards.


Download: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=mortarshellStreet-D&ak=null
View: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=mortarshellStreet-V&ak=null



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

6]

Hamas’ al-Aqsa TV (6 Jan 2009), documents civilian-clothed Hamas mortar crews operating 120mm mortars in the middle of Jebaliya, northern Gaza, just hours before the incident at the Jebaliya UNRWA school. Note how they ready their weapon, and then run toward buildings to hide as it fires.

Download: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=MortarFromSchool-D&ak=null
View: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=MortarFromSchool-V&ak=null


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

7]

Hamas indoctrinates children, including kindergartners, to hate Jews and carry out suicide bombings and other types of terrorist attacks. Hamas also fires guns and mortars at Israeli targets while surrounded by children and young adults, using them as human shields.

View (youtube): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

8]

A young Palestinian girl tells the story of her suffering during the conflict in Gaza, and places the blame squarely on Hamas.

Palestinian girl: Hamas responsible for war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLIdxF-GHWw


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

9]

Members of the more moderate Fatah (PLO) tell their shocking stories of abuse at the hands of Hamas when that terrorist organization attacked Fatah supporters.

Fatah testimonials about Hamas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoH19b1TrZo


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

10]

Screen capture from the Voice of Palestine website, glorifying the story Dr. Nizar al-Rayyan "who took the initiative, two years ago, to protect homes against Israeli occupation air strikes by forming human shields" after Israel sent warnings of imminent attacks.

Link to the page
Download PDF



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

11]

Israel Air Force footage of a Hamas mortar crew operating inside a Gaza school compound and a Hamas rocket salvo being fired at an Israeli city during the three hour humanitarian respite on 8 Jan 2009.

Download: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=3271370&ak=null
Play: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=3271371&ak=null


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

12]

Short film on the discovery by Israeli troops of a zoo and a school wired with explosives by Hamas terrorists in Gaza, 11 Jan 2009.

Download: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=3276454&ak=null
Play: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=3276455&ak=null

Oh but the "neutral" "Human Rights Watch" "says" Israel is using phosphorus.

Not the old, "yeah, that was illegal but it wasnt as bad as this" arguement again? Who are you, Saddam Hussein?
 

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Was it really necessary to quote Scott's entire post Einstein?
 

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Israel should use everything they have to destroy the enemy. Then they should take their stuff.
 

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Not the old, "yeah, that was illegal but it wasnt as bad as this" arguement again? Who are you, Saddam Hussein?


Who are you, someone who holds Israel to a stricter standard than the rest of the world? GAFC!

And it's "argument."
 

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White phosphorus is an incredibly cruel weapon. That is the reason that it is outlawed.

It is hard to imagine a civilized nation producing and using it.
 

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Who are you, someone who holds Israel to a stricter standard than the rest of the world? GAFC!

And it's "argument."



You totally contradict yourself. First, you post links about Hamas and how they're all animals who think nothing of civilian life. Then you defend the use of white phosphorous due to the fact Hamas engages in similar tactics. No one is holding israel "to a stricter standard" than the rest of the world, just to a higher standard than terrorists.
 
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You totally contradict yourself. First, you post links about Hamas and how they're all animals who think nothing of civilian life. Then you defend the use of white phosphorous due to the fact Hamas engages in similar tactics. No one is holding israel "to a stricter standard" than the rest of the world, just to a higher standard than terrorists.


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Never gets old reading arguments comparing levels of heinous killing methods
 

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You totally contradict yourself. First, you post links about Hamas and how they're all animals who think nothing of civilian life. Then you defend the use of white phosphorous due to the fact Hamas engages in similar tactics. No one is holding israel "to a stricter standard" than the rest of the world, just to a higher standard than terrorists.

I have not contradicted myself at all. I don't trust anything HRW says, just like I wouldn't trust any anti-Israel organization. I've seen this movie too many times.

Those who target civilians and shield themselves among their own civilians bear full responsibility for the deaths on both sides.

Your post only reveals you didn't click any of the links I posted.

How about this? For every rocket Hamas fires from Gaza Israel levels an entire Palestinian village? How long would the war last? If anything Israel has UNDERreacted to this BS.
 

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Never gets old reading arguments comparing levels of heinous killing methods

Never gets old reading arguments that morally equate barbaric senseless murder with the goal of genocide on one side and the defensive response on the other.
 

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Let hope they can bring down the population. The world has too many peeps already. hey what the hell friend fire anit half bad of deal too.
 

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White phosphorus is an incredibly cruel weapon. That is the reason that it is outlawed.

It is hard to imagine a civilized nation producing and using it.


Israel is not using white phosphorous as a weapon. If they were, there would be no need to have their troops in Gaza fighting and dying on the ground. They could incinerate the place.

Using it as an illumination device, which is what Israel is obviously doing, is perfectly legal under international law.
 

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Israel is not using white phosphorous as a weapon. If they were, there would be no need to have their troops in Gaza fighting and dying on the ground. They could incinerate the place.

Using it as an illumination device, which is what Israel is obviously doing, is perfectly legal under international law.
yet another excuse for israeli actions. for some reason, everytime someone mentions israel in ANY negative way, its always a fabrication and a lie.
 

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yet another excuse for israeli actions. for some reason, everytime someone mentions israel in ANY negative way, its always a fabrication and a lie.


For some reason, everytime anyone tries to rationally discuss the situation and express a contrary point of view to the mainstream (at least the mainstream on this forum), it's always "an excuse for Israel's actions".

Where did I say that anything in this article was a fabrication or a lie? The evidence clearly indicates that if the Israels are in fact using white phosphorous, it is not as a weapon.
 

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