These animals terrorists don't give a fuck who they kill, why the fuck should Israel? Just like in Iraq and Afghanistan, where we fought wars with our hands tied behind our backs. You can't win shit like that. You start bombing everything and anything. Fight fire with fire. Kill the sonsabitches. Give them some of their own medicine.
No can do. WE are not THEM!
Fortunately or unfortunately the world holds Israel to a higher standard. Some of it is out of anti-Semitism of course. And when Palestinians die regardless of how it starts Israel's image is negatively impacted. The world is already howling at Israel when Pallywood produces its fake pics and videos of 'dead civilians'. Were Israel to bomb a hospital or neighborhood THE VERY NEXT DAY every EU country would stop trade with Israel. That would create hardship for Israel. The UN security council would go crazy and this time the US might vote with them. It sucks, but it's reality.
What Israel needs to do is remove the velvet glove though. If a rocket launcher is in a civilian neighborhood then I'm with you Carmine. Blow terrorist's houses up. Obliterate all the homes of terror leaders. And shut off all the electricity in Hamas and PA controlled territories until all rocket fire stops. Israel Electric is owed 1 Billion Dollars by the Palestinian Authority. That's a good start.
One more thing, but it never changes. During every flare up of this conflict Goebbels descendants saturate the airwaves with their anti-Israeli lies. It amazes me. Here is Israel with its world leadership in science, technology, medicine and agriculture; fuck, half the population has a PHD. They hold the moral high ground in the conflict by miles and they can't train 5 Fucking people to go on CNN or the BBC and in clear English debunk pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel rhetoric. If I hear, "It's the Occupation" one more time go unresponded to I'm gonna pull my hair out.
Fortunately or unfortunately the world holds Israel to a higher standard. Some of it is out of anti-Semitism of course. And when Palestinians die regardless of how it starts Israel's image is negatively impacted. The world is already howling at Israel when Pallywood produces its fake pics and videos of 'dead civilians'. Were Israel to bomb a hospital or neighborhood THE VERY NEXT DAY every EU country would stop trade with Israel. That would create hardship for Israel. The UN security council would go crazy and this time the US might vote with them. It sucks, but it's reality.
What Israel needs to do is remove the velvet glove though. If a rocket launcher is in a civilian neighborhood then I'm with you Carmine. Blow terrorist's houses up. Obliterate all the homes of terror leaders. And shut off all the electricity in Hamas and PA controlled territories until all rocket fire stops. Israel Electric is owed 1 Billion Dollars by the Palestinian Authority. That's a good start.
One more thing, but it never changes. During every flare up of this conflict Goebbels descendants saturate the airwaves with their anti-Israeli lies. It amazes me. Here is Israel with its world leadership in science, technology, medicine and agriculture; fuck, half the population has a PHD. They hold the moral high ground in the conflict by miles and they can't train 5 Fucking people to go on CNN or the BBC and in clear English debunk pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel rhetoric. If I hear, "It's the Occupation" one more time go unresponded to I'm gonna pull my hair out.
EXACTLY. That's why Israel and the US are who they are(except for the horrid Bush and LBJ Years). We Don't do the things these evil people do. We don't torture. We don't target civilians. We don't target Children. We don't target Hospitals. We are civilized. They are not. We win when we are NOT Them. We lose when we think we have to become them to defeat them.
We don't bomb hospitals etc.? Does Truman ring a bell, you Fucking idiot. That's why you will never have peace. If you set an example and completely annhilate one of these rag head countries then I guarantee these fucks straighten up. These people are Fucking animals. They only know violence. We win shit when we fight wars with one hand tied behind our backs.
Joe calls for genocide.
And Guesser brings up Bush.
This is why I'm comfortable where I stand politically.
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I'll state it again. We unfortunately live in a world where Jewish people are hated. I don't understand the reason, but I recognize the reality. That is why Israel is targeted by the radical Muslims. And that is why Israel is over scrutinized by the world media and condemned when it responds. It's unfair, yes. But the world media is not going to show an Israeli policeman giving an Arab water after he talks him into letting him remove his bomb vest. The world is not going to recognize that Israeli police are 99% good guys. No, they're going to find the 3 cops who beat a teenager. And the mark of an anti-Semite is to take the actions of one Jew and use it to define the rest of us.
The Palestinians accuse the Jews of genocide, routinely. So do far-left whackjobs. Jews were the victims of an attempted genocide. Were Israel/Jew to somehow make these accusations the truth by blowing up neighborhoods and hospitals, you guys have no idea the ramifications. I don't even have to go down this rabbit hole as I know where it leads. The world would cry "Holocaust" if Israel even put Pals on buses to Jordan without killing a single one!
Yes, I want Israel to get tougher. If a hospital or mosque houses terrorists raid it. But you can't blow it up from the air. Because I know what happens next, and next, and next. And it's all bad. There has to be a ground invasion and a draining of the terrorist swamp. And a recognition that the Pal Authority is an obstacle to peace and not a partner in it. And the world needs to recognize that the Palestinians are the aggressor, which as I noted is due to the failure of Israeli spokesmen to explain the difference between the arsonist and the fireman.
The world must also be shown that per capita aid to the Palestinians far outdistances aid to Israel, and everyone else in the world, and that we all pay for it and the Pal leaders steal it and use it to plot terror. Every hospital, every bridge, every pothole the next Israeli defense campaign damages in the Palestinian areas will be repaired by the EU, the UN (US, that is!), and Israel itself. Happens every time. And if we opt not to pay for the results of the bombing campaign some of you are calling for, what happens when the Pals are left to do it themselves? They die. And kill each other. And blow up Israeli buses and restaurants. And why? Oh, it's the 'Occupation'.
Occupation is code word for it being OK to the world that there are 23 Muslim autocracies, but not OK that one Jewish nation exists. And you guys think Obama has difficult choices in Iraq? Hah! Nothing compared to Israel's decades-long dilemma. Oh and, I haven't even mentioned Israeli internal politics. When a PM moves too far toward military action he loses the left coalition. Move too far toward concessions to terrorists he loses the right. And if he loses too much support new elections are mandatory. Good Luck Israel!
And Guesser brings up Bush.
This is why I'm comfortable where I stand politically.
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I'll state it again. We unfortunately live in a world where Jewish people are hated. I don't understand the reason, but I recognize the reality. That is why Israel is targeted by the radical Muslims. And that is why Israel is over scrutinized by the world media and condemned when it responds. It's unfair, yes. But the world media is not going to show an Israeli policeman giving an Arab water after he talks him into letting him remove his bomb vest. The world is not going to recognize that Israeli police are 99% good guys. No, they're going to find the 3 cops who beat a teenager. And the mark of an anti-Semite is to take the actions of one Jew and use it to define the rest of us.
The Palestinians accuse the Jews of genocide, routinely. So do far-left whackjobs. Jews were the victims of an attempted genocide. Were Israel/Jew to somehow make these accusations the truth by blowing up neighborhoods and hospitals, you guys have no idea the ramifications. I don't even have to go down this rabbit hole as I know where it leads. The world would cry "Holocaust" if Israel even put Pals on buses to Jordan without killing a single one!
Yes, I want Israel to get tougher. If a hospital or mosque houses terrorists raid it. But you can't blow it up from the air. Because I know what happens next, and next, and next. And it's all bad. There has to be a ground invasion and a draining of the terrorist swamp. And a recognition that the Pal Authority is an obstacle to peace and not a partner in it. And the world needs to recognize that the Palestinians are the aggressor, which as I noted is due to the failure of Israeli spokesmen to explain the difference between the arsonist and the fireman.
The world must also be shown that per capita aid to the Palestinians far outdistances aid to Israel, and everyone else in the world, and that we all pay for it and the Pal leaders steal it and use it to plot terror. Every hospital, every bridge, every pothole the next Israeli defense campaign damages in the Palestinian areas will be repaired by the EU, the UN (US, that is!), and Israel itself. Happens every time. And if we opt not to pay for the results of the bombing campaign some of you are calling for, what happens when the Pals are left to do it themselves? They die. And kill each other. And blow up Israeli buses and restaurants. And why? Oh, it's the 'Occupation'.
Occupation is code word for it being OK to the world that there are 23 Muslim autocracies, but not OK that one Jewish nation exists. And you guys think Obama has difficult choices in Iraq? Hah! Nothing compared to Israel's decades-long dilemma. Oh and, I haven't even mentioned Israeli internal politics. When a PM moves too far toward military action he loses the left coalition. Move too far toward concessions to terrorists he loses the right. And if he loses too much support new elections are mandatory. Good Luck Israel!
Israel Continues Caring for Gaza Patients (Israel 21c)
Despite the terrifying barrage of missiles, air-raid sirens and Red Alert warnings in half of Israel this week, Israeli hospitals that regularly provide medical care to patients from Gaza and the Palestinian Authority have continued to do so.
Haifa's Rambam Health Care Campus reported today that its hospitalized patients include three adults and eight children from Gaza, and three adults and two children from the PA. Most of the hospitalized children are in the pediatric oncology or nephrology wards.
Earlier this week, four preschoolers from Gaza arrived for lifesaving cardiac care at Wolfson Medical Center in Holon through Save a Child's Heart.
Despite the terrifying barrage of missiles, air-raid sirens and Red Alert warnings in half of Israel this week, Israeli hospitals that regularly provide medical care to patients from Gaza and the Palestinian Authority have continued to do so.
Haifa's Rambam Health Care Campus reported today that its hospitalized patients include three adults and eight children from Gaza, and three adults and two children from the PA. Most of the hospitalized children are in the pediatric oncology or nephrology wards.
Earlier this week, four preschoolers from Gaza arrived for lifesaving cardiac care at Wolfson Medical Center in Holon through Save a Child's Heart.
Scott, the 'world' can piss and moan about the Jews all they want. Get rid of the UN, the 'world' becomes politically powerless and this problem is solved in 10 minutes.
And don't let the libs feed you this bleeding-heart "we're better than this...bombing innocent civilian women and children is wrong" bullshit. Those "innocent civilian women and children" share the exact the same medieval ideology as the Islamofascist terrorists, or they wouldn't live among them. Duh!
The Israeli people owe the 'world' absolutely nothing and have every right to protect their people and their interests, however, like the most of the West, Israel has lost the will to defend itself.
And don't let the libs feed you this bleeding-heart "we're better than this...bombing innocent civilian women and children is wrong" bullshit. Those "innocent civilian women and children" share the exact the same medieval ideology as the Islamofascist terrorists, or they wouldn't live among them. Duh!
The Israeli people owe the 'world' absolutely nothing and have every right to protect their people and their interests, however, like the most of the West, Israel has lost the will to defend itself.
In theory you're correct. But you are refusing to live in the world as it is and creating the world in your mind that you want. Who is going to get rid of the UN?
And the ramifications I mentioned a few posts above for Israel should they do as you suggest. You know the "rabbit hole." To have a Palestinian Holocaust with the one Jewish nation responsible? Only as a last resort against certain destruction. I outlined some steps Israel should take and believe they should start there.
Thank you for your opinion. And by the way, back in 2008 both you and Conan made some great posts about the Israeli Arab conflict which I still have bookmarked.
Operation Protective Edge: The Goals, and the Strategy to Achieve Them - Maj. Gen. (res.) Amos Yadlin
The strategic purpose of the operation is derived from the state's obligation to protect its citizens and enable them to pursue a normal way of life. Restoring deterrence to achieve another period of quiet was a major strategic achievement of prior operations and a primary objective of the current campaign.
While deterrence addresses the motivation to fire at Israel, the current operation should also deal with the capabilities of Hamas and smaller terrorist organizations, particularly Islamic jihad and the Popular Resistance Committees.
The operation must be directed mainly against the military wing of Hamas and the other terrorist organizations, and strike a severe blow against their commanders, operatives, launching capabilities, and production capacity.
Regarding a combined operation, with air and ground attacks, based on intelligence, the public tends to see only two models of action, aerial or aerial with a large scale ground operation to occupy Gaza.
Yet even if we do not intend to occupy Gaza, a ground operation is necessary and almost essential. There is a high level of synergy between an aerial operation and a ground operation. Without a ground operation, Hamas will remain underground.
A ground operation against high value targets will create friction with the terrorist organizations' military wing and allow both an aerial and a ground force to attack them and their operational infrastructures. (Institute for National Security Studies)
The strategic purpose of the operation is derived from the state's obligation to protect its citizens and enable them to pursue a normal way of life. Restoring deterrence to achieve another period of quiet was a major strategic achievement of prior operations and a primary objective of the current campaign.
While deterrence addresses the motivation to fire at Israel, the current operation should also deal with the capabilities of Hamas and smaller terrorist organizations, particularly Islamic jihad and the Popular Resistance Committees.
The operation must be directed mainly against the military wing of Hamas and the other terrorist organizations, and strike a severe blow against their commanders, operatives, launching capabilities, and production capacity.
Regarding a combined operation, with air and ground attacks, based on intelligence, the public tends to see only two models of action, aerial or aerial with a large scale ground operation to occupy Gaza.
Yet even if we do not intend to occupy Gaza, a ground operation is necessary and almost essential. There is a high level of synergy between an aerial operation and a ground operation. Without a ground operation, Hamas will remain underground.
A ground operation against high value targets will create friction with the terrorist organizations' military wing and allow both an aerial and a ground force to attack them and their operational infrastructures. (Institute for National Security Studies)
The Gaza-Israel battle is actually a proxy war between Iran and Israel, and Iran and Civilization. The world doesn't really care about the Palestinians living or dieing. Except of course when they're being killed (In retaliatory strikes) by Jews.
"The Father of Iran's Revolutionary Guard's Missile Program Is Firing at Tel Aviv" - Lt. Col. (ret.) Michael Segall
As the Gaza operation continues, activity on social networks, some of which are identified with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, is intensifying, glorifying the role of Iran in general and of the IRGC in particular in upgrading the Palestinian terror organizations' ability to launch rockets "into the heart of the cities in Israel."
Hassan Tehrani Moghaddam was in charge of the IRGC's self-sufficiency program for weapons and military equipment and is considered the "father of Iran's missile program." He was killed when an IRGC ammunition warehouse exploded on November 12, 2011. (Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs)
"The Father of Iran's Revolutionary Guard's Missile Program Is Firing at Tel Aviv" - Lt. Col. (ret.) Michael Segall
As the Gaza operation continues, activity on social networks, some of which are identified with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, is intensifying, glorifying the role of Iran in general and of the IRGC in particular in upgrading the Palestinian terror organizations' ability to launch rockets "into the heart of the cities in Israel."
Hassan Tehrani Moghaddam was in charge of the IRGC's self-sufficiency program for weapons and military equipment and is considered the "father of Iran's missile program." He was killed when an IRGC ammunition warehouse exploded on November 12, 2011. (Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs)
Bravo Jake Tapper!
Pal Rep DIANA BUTTU: ...The idea that Palestinians use their children as human shields is racist and reprehensible. And the idea that the Israelis are somehow spewing this and we’re to believe it is also racist.
TAPPER: Diana, it’s not racist that we have video of the Hamas spokesman on television telling people to stay in their homes, that it’s an effective way to make sure, to fight off the Israelis. That’s not racist, that’s just a fact.
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Buttu is a University of Toronto Grad
Pal Rep DIANA BUTTU: ...The idea that Palestinians use their children as human shields is racist and reprehensible. And the idea that the Israelis are somehow spewing this and we’re to believe it is also racist.
TAPPER: Diana, it’s not racist that we have video of the Hamas spokesman on television telling people to stay in their homes, that it’s an effective way to make sure, to fight off the Israelis. That’s not racist, that’s just a fact.
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Buttu is a University of Toronto Grad
Who's going to get rid of the UN? The US is going to get rid of the UN - by defunding and kicking them out. They can set up shop in Brussels or Tehran and become a toothless debating society for all I care. The US has aircraft carriers, it doesn't need the UN.
As for me refusing to "live in the world as it is", I disagree. Remember, Winston Churchill was ridiculed and marginalized for his non-politically correct dire warnings...until time proved him right.
"We don't target and bomb civilians...we're better than them!" face)(*^%
Right, because German 'civilians' didn't work in the factories that manufactured Hitler's Panzers and Luftwaffe. As if only the visible armed soldier standing guard over the village is the guilty party...but that's demented modern liberalism in a nutshell.
The League of Nations: 1919 - 1946
The United Nations: 1945 -
The foul stench coming from NY we all smell means something is way past its expiration date.
As for me refusing to "live in the world as it is", I disagree. Remember, Winston Churchill was ridiculed and marginalized for his non-politically correct dire warnings...until time proved him right.
"We don't target and bomb civilians...we're better than them!" face)(*^%
Right, because German 'civilians' didn't work in the factories that manufactured Hitler's Panzers and Luftwaffe. As if only the visible armed soldier standing guard over the village is the guilty party...but that's demented modern liberalism in a nutshell.
The League of Nations: 1919 - 1946
The United Nations: 1945 -
The foul stench coming from NY we all smell means something is way past its expiration date.
As I said I understand the emotion you feel and I can relate. The UN is a global cancer but it's here, 80 miles up the road from me and its evil tentacles cover the world. It's upside down and gives power to countries like Russia and China via its security council, and has dictators chairing human rights commissions. But the REALITY (his name must be in all CAPS LOL) is while we should get rid of it, as well as its UNRWA terror charity there is no indication we're moving in that direction. The UN is going away like James Gandolfini is going to rise from the grave and star in a Sopranos movie.
And you still haven't addressed my points about the damage to Israel from the carpet bombing you're calling for. Also, there weren't 1,000 'photographers' from all over the world in Dresden eager to help them stage pictures of dead children (actually there really were dead children!) and 5,000 'reporters' eager to write about it. There are now, today.
It's not 'emotion' and I'm not anti-REALITY, but lets be honest, it's Jane Fonda type loons like "The Guesser" which make the right solutions impossible. Believe me, I understand what is politically palatable and what isn't. But do we want to play politics, or put our solutions out there and solve the problem? One of these days the kumbaya crowd is going to get a rude awakening and we can finally move forward.
As to your second point, again, morally, the German bakers and butchers who fed the concentration camp guards were just as guilty. "It takes a village" to give the Hitlers and Napoleans and Saddam Husseins power, so annihilating the entire village isn't 'uncivilized' or immoral. Those Palestinian schools indoctrinating children with their anti-Jew hate are just as guilty and evil as the finished product: suicide bombers who terrorize civilized societies.
As for "carpet bombing" Palestinians, no...not yet anyway. I was simply making a moral comparison. The circumstances aren't the same, but the end result would be: genocide if necessary. Shutting off their water, electricity and cutting off their food supplies days or weeks at a time would be an appropriate response - whatever it takes until the bloodshed stops.
In a sane world, this is what would happen, but in a sane world we wouldn't have a "President Obama" for two terms, either.
As to your second point, again, morally, the German bakers and butchers who fed the concentration camp guards were just as guilty. "It takes a village" to give the Hitlers and Napoleans and Saddam Husseins power, so annihilating the entire village isn't 'uncivilized' or immoral. Those Palestinian schools indoctrinating children with their anti-Jew hate are just as guilty and evil as the finished product: suicide bombers who terrorize civilized societies.
As for "carpet bombing" Palestinians, no...not yet anyway. I was simply making a moral comparison. The circumstances aren't the same, but the end result would be: genocide if necessary. Shutting off their water, electricity and cutting off their food supplies days or weeks at a time would be an appropriate response - whatever it takes until the bloodshed stops.
In a sane world, this is what would happen, but in a sane world we wouldn't have a "President Obama" for two terms, either.
