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I had no faith in anything Biden did. Nor should you have. He was demented. He was incapable of maintaining his thought through many sentences. Never mind complex, ponderous thought. Anyone honest who was paying attention knew it when he was running. for the Presidency. His thought process continued to seriously deteriorate from there. Only Democrats were dishonest when discussing this subject. The whole world knew that Joe Biden was incapable of watching a 5 year old alone for a couple of hours. There is no hypocrisy here.

As for Trump. There have been many politicians like him? Name them.

Trump distinguishes himself in two ways.

One, he is not a politician by trade. He is a world class businessman by trade.

Two, he has a world sophistication that no politician has ever had. He's been doing world class deals since he was a young man.

And here's where he stands out to me. He loves his country. He bacame a billionaire by playing by the rules in this country. He is in an elite class because he earned his way there by dealing with the most sophisticated (top notch world businessmen and governments) and the least sophisticated, the union workers who built his buildings and the domestic help that maintains and services them.

The guy has more experience in BIG DEALS than you or I could even fathom.

Saying that there have been many politicians just like Donald Trump just again belies your naivety. Sorry man, you couldn't be more wrong.
You're dancing around the question

IF Biden/his Administration took the same course of action as Trump, would you support it? Doesn't matter if you think Biden would/wouldn't. This hypothetical assumes he would.

IDK about playing the rules. He talks about playing against the rules/finding loopholes, etc. not even condemning Trump as a businessman (though we could debate how good of a businessman he is if you want). But you're gonna act like he didn't get a head start in life that >99.9% don't get? Born into generational wealth. You think Trump gets where he is if he's born to a middle class family? You'll probably say you do, but I wouldn't believe you so probably not worth the back and forth.
 

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You're dancing around the question

IF Biden/his Administration took the same course of action as Trump, would you support it? Doesn't matter if you think Biden would/wouldn't. This hypothetical assumes he would.

IDK about playing the rules. He talks about playing against the rules/finding loopholes, etc. not even condemning Trump as a businessman (though we could debate how good of a businessman he is if you want). But you're gonna act like he didn't get a head start in life that >99.9% don't get? Born into generational wealth. You think Trump gets where he is if he's born to a middle class family? You'll probably say you do, but I wouldn't believe you so probably not worth the back and forth.
You fail to understand the importance of wisdom and gravitas.

Biden had neither. The three most savvy in recent Presidencies were Clinton, Reagan, and Kennedy.

But for this time and place there is no current politician who can measure up to Donald Trump even with his personality quirks, flaws. He stands alone.

Policy is determined by the President. Biden had his chance. He failed miserably on the world stage. Obama did likewise, but not as bad as Biden. They both had their opportunity to deal with the Ayatollahs of Iran. They failed miserably.

Joe withdrew from Afghanistan in an incomprehensible way. And got 13 American soldiers killed unnecessarily in the process. Putin waited for him to come to office then immediately invaded Ukraine. Did you EVER hear Joe Biden proffer a peaceful solution to that war? Never.

Putin took Crimea under Obama's watch. Obama sent the Ukrainians blankets. No diplomacy. Nothing. Isis came to power under Obama's watch. American civilians died. Christians were beheaded. Sacred artifacts were ruthlessly destroyed. Obama's military fiddled and diddled.

When Trump took office it took Trump about a month to put Isis down. Putin never took one square mile of land under Trump. In his first term he strangled Iran with sanctions. They had no money to fund their proxies, Hesbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis. Then Joe killed the sanctions and enriched Iran allowing their proxies to run wild with their funding. How did his and Obamas policy of appeasment work out? It didn't. If it had this thread would all be fiction. But it's not.

Trump is dealing with the mess. I trust him more than any politician. He will get the best outcome possible in view of the circumstances. Be patient.
 

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You fail to understand the importance of wisdom and gravitas.

Biden had neither. The three most savvy in recent Presidencies were Clinton, Reagan, and Kennedy.

But for this time and place there is no current politician who can measure up to Donald Trump even with his personality quirks, flaws. He stands alone.

Policy is determined by the President. Biden had his chance. He failed miserably on the world stage. Obama did likewise, but not as bad as Biden. They both had their opportunity to deal with the Ayatollahs of Iran. They failed miserably.

Joe withdrew from Afghanistan in an incomprehensible way. And got 13 American soldiers killed unnecessarily in the process. Putin waited for him to come to office then immediately invaded Ukraine. Did you EVER hear Joe Biden proffer a peaceful solution to that war? Never.

Putin took Crimea under Obama's watch. Obama sent the Ukrainians blankets. No diplomacy. Nothing. Isis came to power under Obama's watch. American civilians died. Christians were beheaded. Sacred artifacts were ruthlessly destroyed. Obama's military fiddled and diddled.

When Trump took office it took Trump about a month to put Isis down. Putin never took one square mile of land under Trump. In his first term he strangled Iran with sanctions. They had no money to fund their proxies, Hesbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis. Then Joe killed the sanctions and enriched Iran allowing their proxies to run wild with their funding. How did his and Obamas policy of appeasment work out? It didn't. If it had this thread would all be fiction. But it's not.

Trump is dealing with the mess. I trust him more than any politician. He will get the best outcome possible in view of the circumstances. Be patient.
All of this garbage (and yes, a lot of it is exactly garbage) is dodging the question

Saying "he wouldn't do that" is completely avoiding it.

It's a simple "yes/no" question......if you wouldn't support Biden for doing the same exact actions as Trump then you are, in fact, a hypocrite. No debate.
 

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PS as for his business acumen and loopholes within the rules - loopholes are part of the rules it takes smarts to find them and use them to your advantage.

As for his silver spoon upbringing - there are many millions of examples of children who were raised with the proverbial silver spoon. Many, many millions over the decades. With two doctors as parents it sounds like you were amongst them. Very, very, very, very, very few of them turn their good fortune by birth into billions. Trump took what he was given (I've heard estimates of $10,000 to $100,000) and turned it into multiple billions. You do know that a billion is a thousand millions I'm sure. He is in an elite class. And he earned his way in.
 

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All of this garbage (and yes, a lot of it is exactly garbage) is dodging the question

Saying "he wouldn't do that" is completely avoiding it.

It's a simple "yes/no" question......if you wouldn't support Biden for doing the same exact actions as Trump then you are, in fact, a hypocrite. No debate.
Okey dokey. Debate with yourself.

The MAN makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE.

Biden had his chance with this very situation. Did Hamas invade Israel under his watch? Did Iran fund Hamas, Hesbollah and the Houthis under Biden's watch? Did Iran fire missiles into Israel under Biden's watch?

Biden had his chance to bring peace to the region. There is no hypothetical here. HE FAILED. World discordance got WORSE under Joe Biden. What hypothetical? This isn't a video game.
 

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PS as for his business acumen and loopholes within the rules - loopholes are part of the rules it takes smarts to find them and use them to your advantage.

As for his silver spoon upbringing - there are many millions of examples of children who were raised with the proverbial silver spoon. Many, many millions over the decades. With two doctors as parents it sounds like you were amongst them. Very, very, very, very, very few of them turn their good fortune by birth into billions. Trump took what he was given (I've heard estimates of $10,000 to $100,000) and turned it into multiple billions. You do know that a billion is a thousand millions I'm sure. He is in an elite class. And he earned his way in.
He was given about the equivalent of $14 million today. He’s also had several businesses go bankrupt

I have had a privileged upbringing no doubt and some fortunate breaks in terms of what I’ve married into, etc (you have my address, you can look up my home value)

But compared to Trump? Come on man. I’m not even in the camp that says Trump is necessarily a bad businessman. But he had a massive head start in life. That’s not his fault, but we can’t pretend like that didn’t play a role

And frankly, you can’t run a country like a business. That’s been proven time and time again.

That’s why Elon — who is miles ahead of Trump in business success — dipped
 

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Okey dokey. Debate with yourself.

The MAN makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE.

Biden had his chance with this very situation. Did Hamas invade Israel under his watch? Did Iran fund Hamas, Hesbollah and the Houthis under Biden's watch? Did Iran fire missiles into Israel under Biden's watch?

Biden had his chance to bring peace to the region. There is no hypothetical here. HE FAILED. World discordance got WORSE under Joe Biden. What hypothetical? This isn't a video game.
No president is going to “bring peace” into that region. If Iran is defeated then someone else is just going to pop up. It will always be that way. The Middle East is not our problem.
 

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Whining miserable storytelling Trump/America hating Demoscum simpleton :lmao:
Cuckadoo lying about being in Tahoe for 3 days
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And the beat goes on :rofl2:

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Okey dokey. Debate with yourself.

The MAN makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE.

Biden had his chance with this very situation. Did Hamas invade Israel under his watch? Did Iran fund Hamas, Hesbollah and the Houthis under Biden's watch? Did Iran fire missiles into Israel under Biden's watch?

Biden had his chance to bring peace to the region. There is no hypothetical here. HE FAILED. World discordance got WORSE under Joe Biden. What hypothetical? This isn't a video game.

Why my friend, are you trying to reason with rocks? Go find a rock, start talking to it, tell me how that goes

It's one thing to disagree, another thing to be obtuse, worse to be a liar, but at the end of the day the worst thing you can be is a bad man.

When one is all of those things, well that's rock bottom. It doesn't take much to show where your head and heart are, and if they're black, walk away. Some people are just not worth it, and they're never going to grow up. Destined for the life of a petulant adolescent

My advice to you Mikey, walk away and never look back
 

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True then, True today


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The United States will continue to be involved in some capacity.


The U.S. military helped to shoot down Iranian missiles fired at Israel on Friday, using ground-based systems, one U.S. official said. A U.S. Navy destroyer in the Eastern Mediterranean also helped to shoot down incoming ballistic missiles, Israeli media has reported.

The United States supplies half of their defense systems between Boeing and RTX.
 

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The US has been involved for a very, very long time.

What in the hell are you talking about?
Pretty clear in this context means to strike Iran at minimum, since that's the issue at hand

Clear to anyone with common sense at least

The US obviously doesn't have to do that, and most Americans think they shouldn't
 

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