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Iran has assembled a secret nuclear plant being used to enrich uranium and defy international inspectors, an Iranian opposition group said today.

The National Council for Resistance, a grass-roots Iranian organization, said Tehran was producing enriched uranium and testing biological and chemical warfare projects at a secret plant in northeast Iran which had not been disclosed to United Nations inspectors. They said the plant is housed in a covert Iranian Defense Ministry facility known as the Modern Defensive Readiness and Technology Center and covers about 60 acres of land.

A senior official of the National Council, Muhammad Mohaddessin, said the group had shared the new information "very recently'' with the International Atomic Energy Agency. But he and other officials of the group said it had not yet discussed the matter with the U.S. government.
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Mohaddessin said inspection of the site his group revealed would demonstrate that Iran is secretly trying to produce nuclear weapons even while promising to freeze a critical part of its declared nuclear program, which it claims is intended for civilian purposes only.

U.N. inspectors "should not be fooled or deceived by the Iranian regime,'' Mohaddessin said.

The development comes after the European Union announced this weekend it brokered a deal in which Iran pledged to halt uranium enrichment.

The IAEA said it could still not rule out the possibility that Iran was conducting covert activities.

"All the declared nuclear material in Iran has been accounted for, and therefore such material is not diverted to prohibited activities," the agency said in a report, referring to possible Iran nuclear weapons activity. "The agency is, however, not in a position to conclude that there are no undeclared nuclear materials or activities in Iran."

The National Council, based in Paris, is the political arm of the People's Mujahedeen which is listed by the U.S. State Department as a foreign terrorist organization because of its involvement in attacks on Americans in the 1970s. But the group has in the past accurately revealed the location of several secret nuclear sites in Iran, and is taken very seriously by U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies.

If the disclosure proves accurate, it may increase pressure on America and Israel to take decisive action against Iran.

In July, Israel conducted military exercises for a preemptive strike against several of Iran's nuclear-power facilities and is ready to attack if Russia supplies Iran with rods for enriching uranium.

An Israeli defense source said, "Israel will on no account permit Iranian reactors – especially the one being built in Bushehr with Russian help – to go critical."

The source also said any strike on Iran's reactors would probably be carried out by long-range F-15I jets, flying over Turkey, with simultaneous operations by commandos on the ground.
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Finally a positive post from a Lib. Israel has one of the finer Air Forces in the World today.
 
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Tom:

Our Air Force has not beat their Air Force since we started war games with Israel in 1986 ...

Israel is kick ass .. the best intelligence agency in the entire Mid East ... the Mosad is the best at what they do ... and I say back Israel to the Max and Bush get off crack and stop this idiotic rewarding of a Palestinian state next door to Israel
 
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Gameface:

My position is to have Bush back off on his proposal of allowing the Palestinians to have a state next door to Israel ...

Give Israel what they need in their daily fight against these terrorist thugs ...
 

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Everything that they have was given to them by US. What else do you want to give them? Have you ever heard the expression "Bring a gun to a knife fight"?



doc mercer said:
Gameface:

My position is to have Bush back off on his proposal of allowing the Palestinians to have a state next door to Israel ...

Give Israel what they need in their daily fight against these terrorist thugs ...
 
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Everything given to them by the USA?

Explain .... all land Israel has "acquired" has been thru defensive wars since day one and they have time and time
again been willing to compromise with the Arabs .. heck, look at what Barak was willing to give up in 2000 .. and NOT GOOD ENOUGH
Bush is hot to trot to force Israel to go down this blunder path of giving up land to devolp a terrorist state right next door ... its funny how we have the balls to tell em to cool it and we are bombing everything in site: remember last year when Israel takes out a Hamas leader and Powell jumps their butt? same day our troops take out a 48 person wedding party in Afghanistan ...

Israel deserves total and complete backing of the USA .. we are a blessed country because we are the only Ally of this tiny country and Bush needs to back off completely and stop fantasizing about this Palestinian state next door to Israel
 

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Yes. Although maybe now they are self sufficient to an extent. All of the weapons provided to repel those "attacks" were provided by US. Let me ask you something, do you agree that it was beneficial to Isreal to have the Arabs "attack" and then kick their ass and take over more territory? IF so, as the educated man that you are, you have to ask your self if premeditated provocation resulting in the subsequent anhiallation of the Arab forces was something that if not planned should have been planned?
 
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Borat:

The Iranian leadership is not overly concerned with energy matters. It wants nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons, not nuclear energy, are what it sees as its safeguard and its assurance of continued power.

But the clerical Administration of Iran has lost it political and religious legitimacy. It is fragile and is ready to be toppled.

The Armed Forces as a whole and a large body of the Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) are dissatisfied with the leadership. They fully understand that the mullahs, with their mishandling of foreign and domestic affairs, are leading Iran to the verge destruction and disintegration. More than 270,000 (out of approximately 300,000) clerics have turned against their own leaders


The nuke reactor that has sprung up into the news this week is built under villas in Northern Iran .. innocent civilian casualties will occur and the Pentagon looks like it is going to try it on its own as they dont think Israeli intelligence is any better than what they have and the distance for a return flight is too great

I look for Bush to order and attack here shortly .. I think he will all he can to keep Israel out of this manuever as an Israeli bombing run would bring the Iranian backed Hezbollah guerillas into action .. they have over 10,000 rockets in S Lebanon that can hit Tel Aviv and many are armed with VX gas -- VX would guarantee a nuke response from the Israelis so Bush most likely is cutting a deal with Sharon to let them get the job done ....

Stay tune ...


 

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You really think that the Hezbollah won't see through that ruse?

Christ, we've been coddling Israel for decades.....hard for the Iranians not to take a stand on this and take on the attitude that a "friend of our enemy is an enemy as well"....

The chess game deepens, boys.....and this time the rooks and the bishops are packing some serious heat.....

Won't be too long and you'll need to take a geiger counter with you when you buy the next case of oil for your car......

I know, I know, it's all doom and gloom until somebody gets an eye put out with a VX rocket....
 
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Hezbollah is financially backed by Iran ....

Assad is licking his chops to unleash the barrage of rockets in S Lebanon ...

This could real nasty, real quick ...
 

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So......rumor has it the Russians have a defense pact with Iran.....since the breakup of the Soviet Union.....how strong, or willing, for that matter, are the Russians for backing up Iran defensively when it looks like the USA will be firing the shots?

Curious to know what happens to the tall pieces in this chess game.
 
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Russia has over 40 billion invested in the Iranian nuke projects .. signed a defv pact with Iran in 1991

So, should be interesting to see how this how thing unfolds in the days ahead
 

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Doc

I mean this question with no disrespect at all, please believe me.
I am simply curious and I don't deserve or expect an answer. however
some of your posts and conversations lead me to believe that you
can possibly be a "messianic jew." Something that happened to
me many years ago just compels me to ask?
 
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Stacilu:

Not at all .... not Jewish in the least

I just follow what is going on w/Israel as close as I can ...

Jerusalem is the center of the Universe in so many ways and the next few years are shaping up to be very "interesting"
 

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Even with all my left leanings, I still must support Israel
in almost all of their endeavors. No doubt they sometimes
cross the line, but I believe it is truly self defensive. I have
great admiration and respect for them as a people and
a religion. "Never again," is truly appropriate.
 
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Stacilu:

100% in agreement on that one ...

the history of Israel is they fight wars out of defense mechanisms, willing to give back territory continously and the offers are never good enough for the Arabs

Peace is not possible between the Arabs and the Jews .. sorry, not in our lifetime will that happen based on the belief system of the Islamic religion
 
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Stacilu ... why this is a no win situation for Israel? Look at today .. complete destruction of Israel is the only thing the Arab world will consider:

ISRAEL TODAY - Friday, November 19, 2004 - 6 Kislev, 5765

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is dropping his key demand for resuming peace talks--a Palestinian Authority (PA) crackdown on terrorist groups. It's a signal to the new and "moderate" Palestinian leadership that Sharon is ready to talk in the post-Yasser Arafat era. "I don't intend to waste time and my plan is to find any way, when the new Palestinian leadership is ready to open talks, to begin to advance our relations with the Palestinians," Sharon said, adding that a crackdown is complicated and would take too long. But he did set one condition: "halting poisonous propaganda and...incitement and demonization of Israel, Israelis and Jews."


The Palestinians rejected Sharon's gesture, saying Israel should return to the negotiating table without preconditions. But Sharon does have a point. It will be hard to convince the militant Palestinian street to support the peace process, while anti-Israel incitement runs rampant on Palestinian TV, radio, textbooks and mosques.
 

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Yep, until they agree that Israel has a right to exist and
mean it, peace will not be forthcoming. Imagine living your
life surrounded by your enemies. Terrorism happening
anywhere and everywhere and much of the world
turning against you. My heart goes out to the Palestinian
people however they are being misled and used by most
of the Arab dictators and are being kept in poverty and
wretchedness as a political excuse to undermine Israel.
This does not mean that their suffering is not real, but
as long as "martyrs" and suicide bombers continue this
situation cannot right itself. Maybe, some moderate Arab
thinking can turn the corner, but I won't hold my breath.
 
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Stacilu:

Well said ... the Palestinians are nothing but Pawns used by Arab dictators to portray Israel in an ugly light

Theirs is a constant battle for survival ... some weird things are going on right now internally in Israel with Sharons moves and the history of giving up territory for peace does not work ... never has and never will

Ask most folks what the hottest contested piece of real estate is in the entire world .. very few are aware of The Temple Mount and how that one piece of land could spark a regional bloody war if it collapses as predicted in 2005
 

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