is this ok?

DayTraderNation · Jan 17, 2007

I have a friend who lives in the UK (near London). Cant I just have him open an account in his name. I place the bets through my puter. Or will they be tracing the IP's? Or will I have to route through a proxy to avoid detection?

I can request a payout anytime to his account, then he can mail me a check (uk or USA finds or paypal me).

What do you think?

SportSavant · Jan 17, 2007

sounds like a plan to me, (the IP thing may be a problem as you predicted however, you may need to do the proxy thing, or have him enter the bets for you).....

You could also use dial-up service from another country coudnt you?

DayTraderNation · Jan 17, 2007

hey sport, not sure on the dial up....

I dont want to hassle him daily and place my games for me so I really want to be able to do it.

I know you can route through some proxies from sme foreign places. Just dont want to get in trouble thats all....

Journeyman · Jan 17, 2007

Wouldn't this open the door for a middle man type of service? I'm being serious here....I predict we will see this eventually, someone in the UK or abroad will make this happen.

DayTraderNation · Jan 17, 2007

problem is, if it gets too large and they track it. They will come after the people receiving the funds...

Thats what I think. But me being lil ole me, I dont think they would find out #1, but even care!

Plus, its not in my name! He could be sending me the money because I am his ADVISOR!

What you think?

And I can pay taxes on it, so how can I get in trouble?

DayTraderNation · Jan 17, 2007

I think the problem may be with USA people sending in the money. That is the issue that would have to be dealt with....

Always a hassle I tell ya!

MattRain · Jan 17, 2007

DayTraderNation said:
problem is, if it gets too large and they track it. They will come after the people receiving the funds...

That's what I'm thinking too. I'd be willing to act as an "advisor" in a heartbeat otherwise.

DayTraderNation · Jan 17, 2007

matt a problem may be the sending the money......

how can we get around that?

BUt then again, hes my friend or joe blow from idaho, i can send my money to anyone. the account is not in my name.

I am AN ADVISOR RIGHT?????????

Journeyman · Jan 17, 2007

okay so lets just say a middle man network is based in the UK, what is the difference between this and a Neteller type of operation? You send money to the UK and just make your wagers thru them, in turn they are responsible for making the wagers to books who won't take wagers from the USA?

As long as these places stay over in the UK what would they have to worry about?

SportSavant · Jan 17, 2007

Journeyman said:
okay so lets just say a middle man network is based in the UK, what is the difference between this and a Neteller type of operation? You send money to the UK and just make your wagers thru them, in turn they are responsible for making the wagers to books who won't take wagers from the USA?

As long as these places stay over in the UK what would they have to worry about?

they would have to worry about ever visiting the USA again.... it seems like borders or citizenship is not protecting anyone....

andynbg · Jan 17, 2007

I guess I told you a couple of times how to get around the us system. There is a proxy program out there (75 € per year, 1.95€ trial) which always uses just German proxies. Why not using moneybookers for sending money to the sportsbooks? How about getting a German prepaid Visa for just 10 € fee per year? That would let you transfer money to the books as well as you would be áble to cash out at any ATM accepting VISA.

andynbg · Jan 17, 2007

And no one here in Germany cares if you use your money for betting etc...

CalvinTy · Jan 17, 2007

Journeyman said:
okay so lets just say a middle man network is based in the UK, what is the difference between this and a Neteller type of operation? You send money to the UK and just make your wagers thru them, in turn they are responsible for making the wagers to books who won't take wagers from the USA?

As long as these places stay over in the UK what would they have to worry about?

J-Man, I think there is JUST one thing different. As long as the U.S. residents send the money via a paper trial (cashier's check / money order) to the UK so they can deposit the money into their accounts & make the wagers to the non-USA books & e-mail us the wagers info.

I never understood clearly about Western Union because it seems to be another electronic method, but if that's another way, it could also be used.

* CalvinTy

MattRain · Jan 17, 2007

I'm guessing that it would be safe as long as your friend didn't take too many "clients" and kept the number/frequency of transactions low.

If I were to do this for U.S. citizens, I probably wouldn't charge a fee... I'd take orders and line-shop like a madman to get a better number, and I'd keep the gravy.

DayTraderNation · Jan 17, 2007

Journeyman said:
okay so lets just say a middle man network is based in the UK, what is the difference between this and a Neteller type of operation? You send money to the UK and just make your wagers thru them, in turn they are responsible for making the wagers to books who won't take wagers from the USA?

As long as these places stay over in the UK what would they have to worry about?

I think the difference in neteller and this new middle man network is the original neteller owners lived in the USA? or am I wrong? If they, even though they sold there stake and had nothing to do with it, they went back on them....

IF the middle man network, originates in the UK, stays in the UK, then I dont see why it cannot be done....

The problem lies in the ability to send the money, receive the money, get the bets in....

I just cannot believe they will block our IP's. Our freedom is completely gone.

DayTraderNation · Jan 17, 2007

andynbg said:
I guess I told you a couple of times how to get around the us system. There is a proxy program out there (75 € per year, 1.95€ trial) which always uses just German proxies. Why not using moneybookers for sending money to the sportsbooks? How about getting a German prepaid Visa for just 10 € fee per year? That would let you transfer money to the books as well as you would be áble to cash out at any ATM accepting VISA.

Andy,

So you dont think the US Govt will try and find this out? Then we will face legal issues? I like your idea, sounds good. What do we use for an address though? Or if we have acocunt issues such as a bet being graded incorrectly, can we call right in?

DayTraderNation · Jan 17, 2007

Matt Rain said:
I'm guessing that it would be safe as long as your friend didn't take too many "clients" and kept the number/frequency of transactions low.

If I were to do this for U.S. citizens, I probably wouldn't charge a fee... I'd take orders and line-shop like a madman to get a better number, and I'd keep the gravy.

Matt,
He told me that in the UK, they got betting parlors on like every damn corner!

Yes, too many people would be hectic. Still the problem would arise in getting the funds. Maybe, pre-paid credit cards. No trail there. Or as Andy stated, moneybookers. Then when you want a withdrawal, he can buy credit cards prepaid, mail them to our home. NO trail. Can you go to an ATM and withdraw on them?

Journeyman · Jan 17, 2007

Many UK residents NEVER visit the USA and I can't blame them...so what is to stop someone from doing this?

MattRain · Jan 17, 2007

Journeyman said:
Many UK residents NEVER visit the USA and I can't blame them...so what is to stop someone from doing this?

As far as I can see (which is likely not far enough), nothing. :ughhh:

andynbg · Jan 17, 2007

DayTraderNation said:
Andy,

So you dont think the US Govt will try and find this out? Then we will face legal issues? I like your idea, sounds good. What do we use for an address though? Or if we have acocunt issues such as a bet being graded incorrectly, can we call right in?

Sure you can. How about a German prepaid cellular phone card with call forwarding or VOIP? By using VOIP you would get a 100 % working German telephone number. How about using the German postal service with their offer of forwarding any mail you get to any adress worldwide. All you need in that case is just one person in Germany who renews the contract with the postal service every 6 months as well as who buys you a prepaid card and sends it to you. Proxy, prepaid card, Visa, postal service and VOIP is no more than 130 € per year and you would have a physical adr. in Germany.
Do you really think they will shut down VISA or Mastercard? LOL

It looks like Europe is the continent of freedom nowadays.

And do you really think in case I would get some of the stuff for anyone of you I care about going to the USA anymore? I have zero intentions of visiting your country anymore. I was in the States a couple of times but the way your legislation etc changed does not make me someone who looks forward to visit the USA again. Believe it or not but I would prefer visiting Canada.