Is the end to the offshore industry looming?

[TheWolf]

First, off I have no idea what is going on with the RX. I read a little one day about a battle with Cris/Sports Options, but then the site went dead again. The few times I have logged on the last 1.5 weeks the site is either dead or terribly slow. What is going on lately here?

Secondly, I tried to reup with Bet Jam and Matchbook for football within the last couple of weeks, and now neither of them accepts Moneygram or Western Union anymore. WTF? THe WWW cards were shitbagged 2 months ago. THese were my only ways to get decent amounts funded at these books. Now I must use ECheck but thats only $300 a crack and you must wait 2 weeks for even that to clear!

Lastly, I see our wonderful elected officials are at it again with yet another Bill telling us we arent allowed to bet on sports, yet lines continue to be posted in every corporate newspaper in the USA and good ole state lotteries continue to be run on a daily basis.

It has been tough not having this site through all of this to find out the latest scoop with everything, but hopefully somebody can add their 2 cents.

 

[PO69]

NOT A FUCKING CHANCE that the offshore industry is going down within the next 5 years!

 

[Iceman]

Not sure what this question really means, like are we going to wake up one day and it will be gone kind of thing? This thought absolutely never comes across my mind even in the slightest bit.

I have funded a dozen books in the past month and have recieved all the payouts I have asked for also in that time. I have had no problems at all. Like anything in life you have to ask yourself if the positives outweigh the negatives when you do something. That's what I do.

There will always be something negative going on in this industry. There always has been and always will be. Been hearing a lot of the same things for years about all this. I said this in an earlier thread and will say it again I expected so much worse when all this went down the past few years.

 

[Doug]

I see it becoming ridiculously hard for Americans ( already is), and then way overdue consolidation... so there will be fewer books aimed at Americans... sort of like Harrahs owning half of the LV strip. I don't like the idea of being at some minor league book.

How many guys do you see that quit ? Here's just a few:

Fishhead
Sean1
Journeyman

and a lot more.

It is no longer worth doing without a Neteller, just a huge waste of time basically, but an addiction that I haven't given up yet.

Its dead, unless you are fortunate enough to not be American.

You can't even deposit without hassles now, let alone withdraw.

 

[Illini]

The only thing the gov't can do is move everything onshore. People aren't going to stop gambling, no matter who says they can't. If it becomes too difficult for the average person to fund their books, they will just go to locals. And the locals connected to organized crime will love it. Government is stupid.

 

[nhoj]

Buy stock in locals. Sell offshore stock!! The sky is falling.

 

[tatehill2000]

the best thing that could ever happen is for them to close the door COMPLETELY on us useing any books,,, then the locals would FLOURISH, and we would be able to get retarded stale lines! all within our own city!

You could back the truck up and write your own GDAM check MIDDLEING NBA TOTALS!!

lol OH LORD,,,
tater

 

[Doug]

The only thing the gov't can do is move everything onshore. People aren't going to stop gambling, no matter who says they can't. If it becomes too difficult for the average person to fund their books, they will just go to locals. And the locals connected to organized crime will love it. Government is stupid.

Dead right,Illini. It should be a great time for locals.

I'd only trust a handful of books now, and many are basically the same, so I'll group them. American viewpoint

5Dimes.... pretty much the best, and the winner here
Betjam/Greek... always solid
WSEX/Matchbook.... hard to deposit to now, but MB is great
Legendz/PIG...reputable and solid
FF/Youwager/Betpop... reputable
Bookmaker/DSI... acceptable enough
Justbet/GGC... reputable, but kind of useless
Bettrojan... lesser known, but I trust them, good lines

Beyond those few, I don't want to use them.

I sure wouldn't touch Bodog, any sportsbook.com book, wagerweb,SIA,etc.

 

[BadCo]

We are dealing with 3rd world nations.

Well their not exactly nations and what BetCris is doing right now just goes to show that we are dealing with 3rd world nations.

Kinda like what Cuba used to be...........LOL

 

[Iceman]

why not SIA? They have paid me more with zero problems then anyone in the past 2 years. They are well worth it to me. Free money there waiting to be taken.

What about carib? awemsome book and great lines
Heritage? same as above
Bet Atlas? always solid
Bet Ed? fastest one I have deait witth possibily
VIP Sports? steady
Catalina? -108 Love them
Betonline? no problems ever from them, a rating
jazz sports? good book

 

[teamrichie]

betjam has a great way to deposit, then you can transfer to matchbook, who does not take the form of payment that betjam does....
:toast:

 

[eoghater]

The most under-rated sportsbook in the industry is caribsports. Nothing but solid deposit/withdrawal options and the best customer service in the business. They're not afraid of action as long as you abide by their decent limits.

 

[Doug]

why not SIA? They have paid me more with zero problems then anyone in the past 2 years. They are well worth it to me. Free money there waiting to be taken.

What about carib? awemsome book and great lines
Heritage? same as above
Bet Atlas? always solid
Bet Ed? fastest one I have deait witth possibily
VIP Sports? steady
Catalina? -108 Love them
Betonline? no problems ever from them, a rating
jazz sports? good book

lots of problems with SIA, wouldn't touch them without NT. Beted is another I wouldn't use... lots of complaints about them.

I'm not famiilar with Atlas... no comment

The rest are OK,IMO

Even adding those, you have only enough to count on fingers and toes.

I like books that transfer with each other, I'm not so sure those books transfer as readily as the primary ones I listed. I don't want to get a check, deposit it, get cash, and MG it to the next place.

 

[Iceman]

lots of problems with SIA, wouldn't touch them without NT. Beted is another I wouldn't use... lots of complaints about them.

I'm not famiilar with Atlas... no comment

The rest are OK,IMO

Even adding those, you have only enough to count on fingers and toes.

I like books that transfer with each other, I'm not so sure those books transfer as readily as the primary ones I listed. I don't want to get a check, deposit it, get cash, and MG it to the next place.

I dont know of the problems you are talking about with SIA. Just a small book who pays out solid. I am sorry but I dont agree with that at all. They have done EVERYTHING right since I have been there. I have tried to find reasons to tell people not to play there and I cant ever find one. If you want to make money at this and are a smaller player then you must play there (IMO). I dont think it is fair to rip them as they pay and pay with a smile. BetEd also, I wont get into how they pay you but it is one of the best, if not the best (IMO) I have ever dealt with. They are good. Nothing has happened at either one of these companies since the NT went down that hasnt happened at at any other book. It's unfair to criticize them. The only complaints are from big players or shot takers.

I count almost 25 books, which is more than enough (IMO). Lots of these companies have been around 10+ years and are in it for the long haul. If they were leaving them would have left a long time ago (IMO). I could name more but that seems like a decent amount. You also have the Vegas Vics of the world who are trying to do things the right way. Not sure how many more we need. If anything I think a lot of these books are proven how secure they are during this shitty time for them by getting things done promptly as they know how imporant that is to th players. My point is this: it isnt nearly as bad as most make it sound is what I am getting at.

 

[Doug]

I dont know of the problems you are talking about with SIA. Just a small book who pays out solid.

SIA is a large poorly run book. Search at SBR, you'll see horror stories, but I think they are safe enough to use.


I am sorry but I dont agree with that at all. They have done EVERYTHING right since I have been there. I have tried to find reasons to tell people not to play there and I cant ever find one. If you want to make money at this and are a smaller player then you must play there (IMO). I dont think it is fair to rip them as they pay and pay with a smile. BetEd also

Beted has many complaints, and is very small. This is a book that I think is ripe to fail, under present conditions.


, I wont get into how they pay you but it is one of the best, if not the best (IMO) I have ever dealt with. They are good. Nothing has happened at either one of these companies since the NT went down that hasnt happened at at any other book. It's unfair to criticize them. The only complaints are from big players or shot takers.


Is playing big a sin ? A bet is a bet, unless a bad line.

I count almost 25 books, which is more than enough (IMO). Lots of these companies have been around 10+ years and are in it for the long haul. If they were leaving them would have left a long time ago (IMO).

Some of those are solid and long-term, but I question their ability to survive under current conditions.



I could name more but that seems like a decent amount. You also have the Vegas Vics of the world

tough business model there, they seem to need huge volume ( Pinny-like), do they get it ?


who are trying to do things the right way. Not sure how many more we need. If anything I think a lot of these books are proven how secure they are during this shitty time for them by getting things done promptly as they know how imporant that is to th players. My point is this: it isnt nearly as bad as most make it sound is what I am getting at.

Do you really consider monies held offshore to be secure ? I sure don't !

 

[VIEJODINOSAUR]

Offshore Industry will only get larger in the next five years along with new accounts being opened...the problem is with processing...whatever company hooks up with all the books that comes close to netteller, they will make a fortune...Offshore will continue to grow...there are thousands of players and want to be players that never even heard of the offshore industry out there..JMHO

 

[Doug]

Offshore Industry will only get larger in the next five years along with new accounts being opened...the problem is with processing...whatever company hooks up with all the books that comes close to netteller, they will make a fortune...Offshore will continue to grow...there are thousands of players and want to be players that never even heard of the offshore industry out there..JMHO

has it grown in the last two years ?

The USA market is large, and I agree it will be viable with a Neteller like institution in place, but I don't see that happening.I see the opposite.

How can you have a bunch of shops dealing the same lines at -110 ? I think only the most reputable can survive.

New people will be more computer saavy, and do some research first before depositing to some foreign book.

The very idea of sending $500 ( or whatever)via a MG to some individual in Nicaragua, with two last names, seems.... like a scam.

 

[Iceman]

Do you really consider monies held offshore to be secure ? I sure don't !

No and I never had before, during or after Neteller either and with that said I still chose and still choose to play offshore because I feel the rewards outweigh the risks. That is where I differ with most at this.

The biggest problem during all this time has been with servers going down and books not being able to get the money out in a timley fashion, not books going under (though that has and will always happen). Companies will always fail in every form of industry. It will always be that way. Even if there was a neteller books would still be going under at times.

I just havent seen all this doom and gloom that most on here are reporting with books going under, etc. It is all I have heard since the second this whole law/bill thing went down, how once football season was over we are all screwed or when the summer hits the books will be dropping like flies because this is the slow peorid and the books wont be able to sustain this, etc, etc...

I guess it all boils down to how you feel and how I feel, obviously. I will agree to disagree with you. I am sure we could go back and forth all day on this. I truly respect your opinon more than probably anyones on this subject.

One last thing, I had a choice to quit or get out or even slow down the past year and a half and I am very happy that I did not because to me it has been well worth it even though times arent as good as they use to be. I wonder what the people that got out of betting feel about that question. Have I got burned? no (knock on wood). Will I get burned? I hope not but you never know. In fact in the past 2 years the only one slow paying me has been and is a longtime local of mine and that is going on 2 years, meaning you never where it is coming from. I thought for sure he was the most trustworthy out of everyone. Unfortunately in this game we play, it can happen without warning and it sucks badly. I have always told myself that if it happens I will deal with it and continue to play at the same level I do now.

 

[VIEJODINOSAUR]

has it grown in the last two years ?

The USA market is large, and I agree it will be viable with a Neteller like institution in place, but I don't see that happening.I see the opposite.

How can you have a bunch of shops dealing the same lines at -110 ? I think only the most reputable can survive.

New people will be more computer saavy, and do some research first before depositing to some foreign book.

The very idea of sending $500 ( or whatever)via a MG to some individual in Nicaragua, with two last names, seems.... like a scam.

I feel your pain, but for example. this election will draw more money on it than any Superbowl ever...books are doing great action...people need to get down, they will find ways...prohibition, bookmaking, and prostitution will continue to flourish no matter what....I agree that the most reputable will survive, especially those with affiliated books in other countries...

 

[Railbird]

I think if European and Austrailian books would take American customers, than Costa Rica would become irrelevant. Europe does everything better than Americans.