Is the country (USA) better off than it was 8 years ago???

[Albatross]

My work has gotten better from a development standpoint, but my most profitable years were 4-5 years ago making money off properties that people lost. It was good for me, but sad for the families the housing bubble busted up.

 

[JustinCruise]

the worst extended period of economic growth in recorded history

if the labor participation rate remained the same, unemployment would > 8% today (a political death sentence when success mattered)

Healthcare system in decline because of Obamacare

racial tensions increasing, condoning violence against the "systematic" racism of police officers

national security a mess, porous borders

selectively enforcing the laws of the land

the world ablaze, decon 3, Russia walking all over us in the international arena, hundreds of thousands of people dying

dividing us on race and economics, "punish your enemies"

telling minorities selfish, racist white men are holding you down

bashing our country while traveling abroad, bashing your political adversaries while abroad, diminishing the integrity of the White House in every imaginable way

undeniable collusion between our press and the democratic party, shameful



an epic colossal clusterfuck in every imaginable way, but success and character and integrity and honesty just don't matter anymore

all of this +1

 

[ML Dog]

Originally Posted by CHOPTALK:

The better question to ask is: Are "you" better off today then 8 years ago?
Very difficult sometimes to look around and see if things are better or worse in general then 8 years ago.

But real easy to answer for yourself if "you" are better off today then you were 8 years ago.

Michelangelo: Anyone who thinks like this is part of the problem.

Get out of your little head and look at the big picture.

Race relations are at a frightening pitch.

If cops continue to get massacred and they are somehow not accorded "extra rights" like soldiers have in war, you will soon see a completely lawless society in the inner cities. What does that mean to the rest of us? I don't know but we need to think about that. It won't be good.

What if the rebels burn the major cities down? May not affect you directly but you can be sure that many, many innocent people will suffer as a result.

What if the far reach of ISIS or open borders or improperly vetted refugees find their way to blowing up a couple of offshore oil rigs, or refineries. The price of gas would skyrocket, crippling industries and individuals who rely on gas for transportation or heating fuel.

What if they took down a few key power grids or took out several key bridges. Think about the far reaching ramifications and hardships.

How about Obamacare? They are proud that they signed up all the non-contributors while the working man gets squeezed to near breaking in many cases.

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

No matter how well you are doing individually if the society collapses around you, you will be F*kd with the rest of America. And the "society" is much worse off than eight years ago. Much worse.

This. ^^^^.


I was considering Writing-In Michelangelo, for President. Prior to seeing this post even.

If we could get a President with that POV, we'd be better off, no coincidence not just happenstance that we have instead the non-choices that we have.


I Was afraid that Vote would get taken as being for the now long-deceased sculptor, of course though.

Still am.

"I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free."

 

[Acebb]

None of those things were going down in price before the ACA, by the way.

That's a pretty awesome strawman.

Note: health care premiums were not rising this fast prior to Obamacare.

 

[Acebb]

HAHAHAHAHAH

you guys clearly dont remember how awful things were 8 years ago.

Consumer Confidence would be a great indicator of how the general feeling was back then.. it was 55%.. the sky was falling, no jobs to be hand, no one would hire, everything economically felt like pins and needles.. today its 90%

Grass isn't always greener.. and your forgotten memories of how bad was in 2008 is irresponsible

100 out of 100 economist would say things are better today than 2008

HAHAHAHA!

Oh, and America's workforce is smaller today than it was 8 years ago. Maybe you can ask an economist what that means.

 

[REDEYE]

its kinda like a sound looking bridge you drive over ,, might look good for the last 8 years to some , but the in the know , see the bridges infrastructure crumbling... inevitable

 

[gijoe]

We got to figure a way to get my man Trump in so he can show me how I can get away with paying income tax. I would kiss his feet. I need him. Dow Jones when Obama took office was 7,949. now its 18,145. im living good

 

[REDEYE]

We got to figure a way to get my man Trump in so he can show me how I can get away with paying income tax. I would kiss his feet. I need him. Dow Jones when Obama took office was 7,949. now its 18,145. im living good

doubt if you could understand the tax code anyway.. way beyond your pay grade

 

[Jstack34]

doubt if you could understand the tax code anyway.. way beyond your pay grade

Well Trumps plan is a flat tax. So simple. Accountants will all lose jobs

 

[TomGshotput]

After having eight years of Barack Obama as president it is a physical impossibility for any American to be better off. If they say they are, they are wrong. If they blame themselves instead of the government for their problems, they are un-American

 

[Ricboff]

After having eight years of Barack Obama as president it is a physical impossibility for any American to be better off. If they say they are, they are wrong. If they blame themselves instead of the government for their problems, they are un-American

through your lens, maybe. Winners and losers.....this is America, no? ........the rich/those with wealth made out very very well. Have a look at the Dow charts (2008 - 2016........sorry. This aint a socialist country, or is it?................


un-American? what does that mean.......you lookin' for 'fairness'?

 

[REDEYE]

After having eight years of Barack Obama as president it is a physical impossibility for any American to be better off. If they say they are, they are wrong. If they blame themselves instead of the government for their problems, they are un-American

price of hot dogs go up ?

 

[Ricboff]

:nohead:

 

[TomGshotput]

This aint a socialist country, or is it?................

We elected a socialist to be our President. Twice

 

[Ricboff]

you good with that?..........the Dow since 2008 has made a few folks very happy. You still firm on your stance that that those are happy .......,... 'they are wrong'? .....I got a hunch that their bank accounts arent sayin' so...that they are cool with the status quo?.....



that bad for America?

 

[TomGshotput]

you good with that?..........the Dow since 2008 has made a few folks very happy. You still firm on your stance that that those are happy .......,... 'they are wrong'? .....I got a hunch that their bank accounts arent sayin' so...that they are cool with the status quo?.....



that bad for America?

If what you're saying is true, that would mean Barack Obama has done things to benefit America and Americans. That is completely wrong. He has spent the past eight years destroying our country.

 

[Ricboff]

oh, okay.....the rich and wealthy would disagree....given the silly increase in equity valuations since '08



you a socialist ?.............

 

[PatsFan1283]

The question is strictly politically?

Politically it is worse off. Maybe not from the actual nadir of the housing/finance burst but in terms of a rolling period.

This election pretty much the end game to that.

 

[5teamparlay]

I think the country is all ready better off than it was 6 weeks ago---

 

[Willie99]

I think the country is all ready better off than it was 6 weeks ago---

QFT

amazing what WORK, know how and common sense can do

recess is over

the adults are back in town