All this SHARP talk..
Define sharp. A book takes a risk, just like a punter does. The difference is the book doesnt make dumb choices like a gambler does. They post the lines, know that over time the vig will kill the gambler.
So what does sharp include? They have ways of enticing people to join, so is sharp in reference to size of customers? Or is it in reference to speed of line movement, luring in punters with trap lines??
Define sharp. A book takes a risk, just like a punter does. The difference is the book doesnt make dumb choices like a gambler does. They post the lines, know that over time the vig will kill the gambler.
So what does sharp include? They have ways of enticing people to join, so is sharp in reference to size of customers? Or is it in reference to speed of line movement, luring in punters with trap lines??
There baseball was beatable all season. You just had to use solid handicapping and money mangement day in and day out. So far ditto for the NFL. Of course this is only from my singular experience. Real easy software, great juice, CSD fast and curteous, and best of all, immediate payoffs, with several payout options available. I have no problems with the place. BTW. this is not a commercial. I am ONLY a player, PERIOD.
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>Define sharp
I *think* most mean Pinnacle shades their lines to trap the bettor.
Say most every book has Falcons+5.5 (-110) / Panthers-5.5 (-110)
Then say Pinnacle is "sharp" enough to know Carolina is a "lock" so they hang Falcons+6 (ev) / Panthers-6 (-110) -- They are then looking to get heavy Atlanta action.
I *think* most mean Pinnacle shades their lines to trap the bettor.
Say most every book has Falcons+5.5 (-110) / Panthers-5.5 (-110)
Then say Pinnacle is "sharp" enough to know Carolina is a "lock" so they hang Falcons+6 (ev) / Panthers-6 (-110) -- They are then looking to get heavy Atlanta action.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FatFrank:
>I *think* most mean Pinnacle shades their
>lines to trap the bettor
Some other 'rock solid' Book tried to trap the bettors on the SuperBowl once... They hung 14.5 when everyone else had 14.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL!! They were swinging for the bushes by this time. They knew they had to hit a homerun.....
Instead they struck out. I'll never forget that SuperBowl.
>I *think* most mean Pinnacle shades their
>lines to trap the bettor
Some other 'rock solid' Book tried to trap the bettors on the SuperBowl once... They hung 14.5 when everyone else had 14.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL!! They were swinging for the bushes by this time. They knew they had to hit a homerun.....
Instead they struck out. I'll never forget that SuperBowl.
wall,
To me, sharp means knowing how to adjust the line fast based on action received. A shit book waits for someone like Don Best to tell them when to adjust. A good book adjusts it according to dollar value of action they receive. A great book adjusts it according to dollar value of action received by them and competitors on the market, anticipating change before it happens. A super amazing book (like Pinnacle) adds an extra factor on top of all that which to me remains a partial mystery...my theory is that this factor is either:
- an opinion of a top-notch in-house capper
- an adjustment based on the QUALITY of the action, ie. if a player has a winning record in a sport (over a long period, say), they may assume his bet was 5x as large as it really was for line adjustment purposes and if he has a losing record, they may even adjust it in the OPPOSITE direction.
In any case they are doing something funky that really works.
To me, sharp means knowing how to adjust the line fast based on action received. A shit book waits for someone like Don Best to tell them when to adjust. A good book adjusts it according to dollar value of action they receive. A great book adjusts it according to dollar value of action received by them and competitors on the market, anticipating change before it happens. A super amazing book (like Pinnacle) adds an extra factor on top of all that which to me remains a partial mystery...my theory is that this factor is either:
- an opinion of a top-notch in-house capper
- an adjustment based on the QUALITY of the action, ie. if a player has a winning record in a sport (over a long period, say), they may assume his bet was 5x as large as it really was for line adjustment purposes and if he has a losing record, they may even adjust it in the OPPOSITE direction.
In any case they are doing something funky that really works.
- an adjustment based on the QUALITY of the action, ie. if a player has a winning record in a sport (over a long period, say)
am sure they do this. not so sure about adjusting for a losing players opinion -- i would imagine there are so many of them it would be hard to assume it was not just a bad flux for a routine loser.
the more interesting question is whether they have introduced software to adjust the lines based on the many sharks they have betting into them. without the database and software any adjustment is just an educated guess ( but still the best there is ).
am sure they do this. not so sure about adjusting for a losing players opinion -- i would imagine there are so many of them it would be hard to assume it was not just a bad flux for a routine loser.
the more interesting question is whether they have introduced software to adjust the lines based on the many sharks they have betting into them. without the database and software any adjustment is just an educated guess ( but still the best there is ).
i don't think they were using s/ware for this purpose a year ago, but they should have been.
the software could also track online bets into "sharp" accounts.
does anyone remember a poker player named mike caro who, circa 1984, wrote an article "the monkeys are falling" suggesting all pro gamblers should sell their car or house or whatever and buy a computer?
the software could also track online bets into "sharp" accounts.
does anyone remember a poker player named mike caro who, circa 1984, wrote an article "the monkeys are falling" suggesting all pro gamblers should sell their car or house or whatever and buy a computer?
You guys are missing a BIG point: the DB screen and the manipulation of the numbers in it. This might as well be one of the factors used by Pinny for sucess.
I would dare to say -and I have been tracking Pinny lines and the outcome on the games, for quite a while now- that these guys are using their lines as a very powerful marketing tool.
These guys are becoming the image for the science of BOOKING. And their booking is merely based on the manipulation of the juice. True, the guys at the helm are wise and have educated opinions. But have anybody noticed how pinny's numbers are always anywhere but in the middle?
Let's use the Skins number: -2½ -121.
Do you guys know for sure they didn't bet the other way? Cause if they did, they are only hedging their bets.
Pinny is not a book per se. A book would only try to get the juice. Pinny's business model is based on arbitraging. And they are soon winning over the sharper market.
Couple of years ago, it was Spiro who was hanging numbers out there just to have his action rolling in at the most convenient number for himself. Most cloning shops were open for hunting. Who follows Spiro's stuff nowadays? Where do cloning shops get their numbers from?
Pinny took over the market with a very simple and yet extremely smart move. Figure it out, and profit is to be made.
I would dare to say -and I have been tracking Pinny lines and the outcome on the games, for quite a while now- that these guys are using their lines as a very powerful marketing tool.
These guys are becoming the image for the science of BOOKING. And their booking is merely based on the manipulation of the juice. True, the guys at the helm are wise and have educated opinions. But have anybody noticed how pinny's numbers are always anywhere but in the middle?
Let's use the Skins number: -2½ -121.
Do you guys know for sure they didn't bet the other way? Cause if they did, they are only hedging their bets.
Pinny is not a book per se. A book would only try to get the juice. Pinny's business model is based on arbitraging. And they are soon winning over the sharper market.
Couple of years ago, it was Spiro who was hanging numbers out there just to have his action rolling in at the most convenient number for himself. Most cloning shops were open for hunting. Who follows Spiro's stuff nowadays? Where do cloning shops get their numbers from?
Pinny took over the market with a very simple and yet extremely smart move. Figure it out, and profit is to be made.
