damn, last I checked, they're still ranked ahead of the LSU Tigers .... and Bobby is now tied for the all-time lead in wins --- and they didn't lose to some ham & egg team that couldn't even beat Ole Miss or Tenn in their own home stadium
Bobby's team is 6-1 .... yeah, he should probably hang it up
Bobby's team is 6-1 .... yeah, he should probably hang it up
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LSUpete:
LORD, that's not good. Mickey Andrews is human fodder.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
yeah, his defense is giving up 10 points per game .....
can't believe they slipped to the #2 ranked defense in the country .... guess they need to schedule LA-Monroe, Arizona and Western Illinois
real "fodder"
LORD, that's not good. Mickey Andrews is human fodder.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
yeah, his defense is giving up 10 points per game .....
can't believe they slipped to the #2 ranked defense in the country .... guess they need to schedule LA-Monroe, Arizona and Western Illinois
real "fodder"
I second the HELL YEAH, he needs to retire. It is not cause he's not a good coach. You'd be an idiot if you ever thought or said something like that. No , he needs to go because, I don't feel he has the killer instinct or the passion that a College coach should all have. That drive and passion is so important because your dealing with young adults. These kids need to be motivated to bring out that youthful intensity needed to dominate and to promote their domination of there school and team. Example, look who's on top. What type of coaches are there with these teams that are on top. Bob Stoops of Oklahoma, that man just oozes drive and passion. Coach Sablan of LSU. The guy I was very sad to see leave college football, was Steve Spurior. I like his mentality of I am not only going to destroy your team, but I am going to humiliate your team so that you never forget who wooped your ass. That way if we ever meet again, I already won because you will be forced to remember how I kick your asses all over this field. Spurrior, he did not care who you were, he'd make his team continuously spank you to the last second.
This is what Bobby no longer has. He no longer cares about doing those things. The problem really is that Bobby did every thing he could ,there is nothing more to accomplish. Geez, he has grandchildren already, at that point in life, your feelings and emotions are on a way different level which is not compatable with effectively dealing with college kids. Professional yes , college no.
He is winning because of all the talent he has around him, but he's not dominating like in the past. Example, Charlie Ward, Deion Sanders era. Dam those were Florida St. best years I feel. But, reality is Bobby is not going anywhere until he dies . What else is he going to do. And who at Florida ST. has the balls to get rid of him or ask him to leave, after all he done. I dont think so. Just like Joe pa and Penn St. his era ended when he Lavangr Arrington was playing for him. After those guys left never was the same. Penn ST. scares nobody now. Florida St. is very close to being at that stage now, sorry to say.
This is what Bobby no longer has. He no longer cares about doing those things. The problem really is that Bobby did every thing he could ,there is nothing more to accomplish. Geez, he has grandchildren already, at that point in life, your feelings and emotions are on a way different level which is not compatable with effectively dealing with college kids. Professional yes , college no.
He is winning because of all the talent he has around him, but he's not dominating like in the past. Example, Charlie Ward, Deion Sanders era. Dam those were Florida St. best years I feel. But, reality is Bobby is not going anywhere until he dies . What else is he going to do. And who at Florida ST. has the balls to get rid of him or ask him to leave, after all he done. I dont think so. Just like Joe pa and Penn St. his era ended when he Lavangr Arrington was playing for him. After those guys left never was the same. Penn ST. scares nobody now. Florida St. is very close to being at that stage now, sorry to say.
LOL, I KNEW this thread would get a childish response from the Nole fans, when they should be the ones wanting him to retire the most. You can make all of the negative comments you want about LSU, because it doesn't matter WHAT school I support. Nothing negative was said about his accomplishments, but that past success should be the VERY reason why he walks away.
Now, as for Mickey Andrews, I don't care if that piece of shit gets hit by a bus. Actually, if you're going to defend him you should be ashamed of yourself.
Now, as for Mickey Andrews, I don't care if that piece of shit gets hit by a bus. Actually, if you're going to defend him you should be ashamed of yourself.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LSUpete:
LOL, I KNEW this thread would get a childish response from the Nole fans, when they should be the ones wanting him to retire the most. You can make all of the negative comments you want about LSU, because it doesn't matter WHAT school I support. Nothing negative was said about his accomplishments, but that past success should be the VERY reason why he walks away.
Now, as for Mickey Andrews, I don't care if that piece of shit gets hit by a bus. Actually, if you're going to defend him you should be ashamed of yourself.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
childish?
I guess when someone breaks out some facts it's dismissed as "Childish"
I guess that hoping for someone to be "run over by a bus" isn't "childish" though is it???
I'll be ready for Bobby to retire only to get Jeff Bowden out of there .... but Mickey can stay as long as he wants ...
LOL, I KNEW this thread would get a childish response from the Nole fans, when they should be the ones wanting him to retire the most. You can make all of the negative comments you want about LSU, because it doesn't matter WHAT school I support. Nothing negative was said about his accomplishments, but that past success should be the VERY reason why he walks away.
Now, as for Mickey Andrews, I don't care if that piece of shit gets hit by a bus. Actually, if you're going to defend him you should be ashamed of yourself.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
childish?
I guess when someone breaks out some facts it's dismissed as "Childish"
I guess that hoping for someone to be "run over by a bus" isn't "childish" though is it???
I'll be ready for Bobby to retire only to get Jeff Bowden out of there .... but Mickey can stay as long as he wants ...
What facts did you "break out"....their record? Florida State is NOT ranked number two in defense. Here's a link for you....
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/ranking_summary/2003000000234.HTML
AGAIN, in my opinion, Bowden is not as effective as he was during the glory years and should step aside. It's pointless to argue with a homer like you, because you take this so seriously that you start saying a bunch of negative shit about my team...in an attempt to make yourself look better. AND, if you keep it up you're going to piss me off.
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/ranking_summary/2003000000234.HTML
AGAIN, in my opinion, Bowden is not as effective as he was during the glory years and should step aside. It's pointless to argue with a homer like you, because you take this so seriously that you start saying a bunch of negative shit about my team...in an attempt to make yourself look better. AND, if you keep it up you're going to piss me off.
I was under the assumption that he wasn't doing much of anything there anymore anyway. I don't want to give off the impression that I don't think he was or still could be a good coach. I just thought it was common knowledge that he hasn't really done much in the past few years except be there. I swear a couple of times I've seen him giving interviews in big games while crucial plays were taking place. But I could be mistaken. The real dropoff as of late I would attribute to the quality of the coaches under him that have left or moreover the lack thereof with the ones in place (his son for example).
The d slipped from 2 to 7?? Wow...
Damn right about the killer instinct. They go down on UV (no passes) and kneel to end it?? The Bowden I know would have thrown it in, period. He has changed, he does win based on talent, but he is still a good hc, just not what he used to be, thats a fact..
Damn right about the killer instinct. They go down on UV (no passes) and kneel to end it?? The Bowden I know would have thrown it in, period. He has changed, he does win based on talent, but he is still a good hc, just not what he used to be, thats a fact..
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LSUpete:
What facts did you "break out"....their record? Florida State is NOT ranked number two in defense. Here's a link for you....
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/ranking_summary/2003000000234.HTML
AGAIN, in my opinion, Bowden is not as effective as he was during the glory years and should step aside. It's pointless to argue with a homer like you, because you take this so seriously that you start saying a bunch of negative shit about my team...in an attempt to make yourself look better. AND, if you keep it up you're going to piss me off.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
WAIT A SECOND .....
you made comments about our DC getting "run over by a bus" and I'm taking it too seriously???
You said that our defense has slipped .... I state that we're STILL the #2 ranked scoring defense in the country and I can back it up with facts ....
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/stats/byteam?cat1=defense&conference=I-A_all&year=2003
did I mention that FSU has played a tougher schedule than LSU at this point????
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/toughest%20schedule/ia_9games_cumm.pdf ------ don't believe me? look at this link ------- hell, even YOU told me that FSU was slated to play the 2nd toughest schedule in the country when we kicked this topic around during Memorial Weekend (behind Bama at that point)
I present you with FACTS and you call me a homer?
DAMN .... this is too funny ..... I'm a fan and certainly have the "home team's" interests at heart, but when it comes to this place my only color is GREEN
look Pete, you're entitled to your own opinion .... I'll back up mine with facts .... that's all anyone can do --- if you choose to ignore them that's not my fault .... not sure why you'd get "pissed off" over something as dumb as some comments about my team, but that's your own perogative
[This message was edited by BigDaddyNole on October 20, 2003 at 12:38 AM.]
What facts did you "break out"....their record? Florida State is NOT ranked number two in defense. Here's a link for you....
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/ranking_summary/2003000000234.HTML
AGAIN, in my opinion, Bowden is not as effective as he was during the glory years and should step aside. It's pointless to argue with a homer like you, because you take this so seriously that you start saying a bunch of negative shit about my team...in an attempt to make yourself look better. AND, if you keep it up you're going to piss me off.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
WAIT A SECOND .....
you made comments about our DC getting "run over by a bus" and I'm taking it too seriously???
You said that our defense has slipped .... I state that we're STILL the #2 ranked scoring defense in the country and I can back it up with facts ....
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/stats/byteam?cat1=defense&conference=I-A_all&year=2003
did I mention that FSU has played a tougher schedule than LSU at this point????
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/toughest%20schedule/ia_9games_cumm.pdf ------ don't believe me? look at this link ------- hell, even YOU told me that FSU was slated to play the 2nd toughest schedule in the country when we kicked this topic around during Memorial Weekend (behind Bama at that point)
I present you with FACTS and you call me a homer?
DAMN .... this is too funny ..... I'm a fan and certainly have the "home team's" interests at heart, but when it comes to this place my only color is GREEN
look Pete, you're entitled to your own opinion .... I'll back up mine with facts .... that's all anyone can do --- if you choose to ignore them that's not my fault .... not sure why you'd get "pissed off" over something as dumb as some comments about my team, but that's your own perogative
[This message was edited by BigDaddyNole on October 20, 2003 at 12:38 AM.]
Bill,
YOU have turned this thread into a comparison of FSU and LSU...not me. Go back and read the original post....you'll see that I asked if Bowden should retire and I clearly mentioned the offense. YOU also have confused defense and scoring defense.
YES you are a homer! When I asked the question of "should Bowden retire, the FIRST arguement you made was that FSU is ranked higher than LSU and then you proceeded to degrade LSU because of a loss to Florida. As I told you before, if you persist in knocking my team in an attempt to make yourself look better it will piss me off.
I believe that Coach Bowden should retire. Anyone else agree/disagree?
YOU have turned this thread into a comparison of FSU and LSU...not me. Go back and read the original post....you'll see that I asked if Bowden should retire and I clearly mentioned the offense. YOU also have confused defense and scoring defense.
YES you are a homer! When I asked the question of "should Bowden retire, the FIRST arguement you made was that FSU is ranked higher than LSU and then you proceeded to degrade LSU because of a loss to Florida. As I told you before, if you persist in knocking my team in an attempt to make yourself look better it will piss me off.
I believe that Coach Bowden should retire. Anyone else agree/disagree?
OK, here we go --- without any LSU "digs"
FSU offense: not good .... sputtering & incosistent --- no argument here ----- Bobby to be "blamed" for making his son the OC .... never liked the move from day #1
FSU defense: very good --- #2 ranked scoring defense in the country --- Mickey Andrews is NOT "fodder" (those were your words, not mine)
team record and ranking: still in the top 10 (#6 AP/#7 USA-Today) and have only one loss (to the #2 ranked team in the country) --- on track to win the conference title
no "homer" here at all ... just the facts --- the last two seasons were sub-par by FSU standards ..... but considering the fact that the defense is back to playing to the level of former Seminoles teams before the last couple years & the team is still WINNING, it's hard to make a case for telling him to hit the bricks ---- it's not like they're 3-4 or 4-3 right now
like any open-minded person, I have the right at any time to abridge this ---- in other words, if they go on a slide and lose 3 or 4 more games this season you'd have a legit question in terms of it probably being the right time to call it a career --- but at this juncture, it's ludicrous to call for a coach's head when he's in the top 10 and his team just went on the road and got a tough, hard fought victory over the team that many thought would win the ACC this year ... the same team that returned the reigning ACC player of the year and pre-season fav to repeat those honors
a "homer" thinks that everything is great all the time and it's convenient to label someone a "homer" just because they might not happen to agree with you, I certainly speak out against things that FSU does which I don't care for
perfect example is Jeff Bowden becoming the OC ..... also not a huge fan of our OL coach (Heggins) ... and I will criticize Bobby for being too loyal to old assistants ..... but I'm certainly not going to throw out the baby with the bath water either
FSU offense: not good .... sputtering & incosistent --- no argument here ----- Bobby to be "blamed" for making his son the OC .... never liked the move from day #1
FSU defense: very good --- #2 ranked scoring defense in the country --- Mickey Andrews is NOT "fodder" (those were your words, not mine)
team record and ranking: still in the top 10 (#6 AP/#7 USA-Today) and have only one loss (to the #2 ranked team in the country) --- on track to win the conference title
no "homer" here at all ... just the facts --- the last two seasons were sub-par by FSU standards ..... but considering the fact that the defense is back to playing to the level of former Seminoles teams before the last couple years & the team is still WINNING, it's hard to make a case for telling him to hit the bricks ---- it's not like they're 3-4 or 4-3 right now
like any open-minded person, I have the right at any time to abridge this ---- in other words, if they go on a slide and lose 3 or 4 more games this season you'd have a legit question in terms of it probably being the right time to call it a career --- but at this juncture, it's ludicrous to call for a coach's head when he's in the top 10 and his team just went on the road and got a tough, hard fought victory over the team that many thought would win the ACC this year ... the same team that returned the reigning ACC player of the year and pre-season fav to repeat those honors
a "homer" thinks that everything is great all the time and it's convenient to label someone a "homer" just because they might not happen to agree with you, I certainly speak out against things that FSU does which I don't care for
perfect example is Jeff Bowden becoming the OC ..... also not a huge fan of our OL coach (Heggins) ... and I will criticize Bobby for being too loyal to old assistants ..... but I'm certainly not going to throw out the baby with the bath water either
I do not believe mentally that he is far-gone like JoePa in terms of modern-mindset towards what works in today's NCAA Football, but the lack of Chuck D and Mark Richt is apparent in my mind, and the lack of development by Rix mentally is dumbfounding.
I hope he stays another 10 years, and turns it over to Terry, Tommy, or the jailbird son.
I hope he stays another 10 years, and turns it over to Terry, Tommy, or the jailbird son.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Horseshoe:
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I hope he stays another 10 years, and turns it over to Terry, Tommy, or the jailbird son.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
don't get your hopes up too high ..... suffice to say that none of the above will be considered .....
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I hope he stays another 10 years, and turns it over to Terry, Tommy, or the jailbird son.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
don't get your hopes up too high ..... suffice to say that none of the above will be considered .....
Bobby Bowden, like Joe Paterno, should leave whenever he wants too. Both coaches deserve that respect. Anything other than that is a slap in the face to all of the work they have done over DECADES!!!! People out there are treating Bowden and Paterno like racehorses and now want to send them to the GLUE FACTORY. Bowden has said many times that if he has a losing season two years in a row then he would probably retire. I believe they went 9-5 last season (something like that) and somehow that is a bad season?? The fans are spoiled. I guess they forget that Seminole football was on the verge of being abolished before Bowden turned things around. Maybe they can put things in perspective instead of thinking like short-term crackheads.
Horseshoe
Certifiably Crazy
posted October 21, 2003 01:41 AM
I do not believe mentally that he is far-gone like JoePa in terms of modern-mindset towards what works in today's NCAA Football
This thread is pretty silly. If you would have said Paterno then that's different story.
KMAN
Certifiably Crazy
posted October 21, 2003 01:41 AM
I do not believe mentally that he is far-gone like JoePa in terms of modern-mindset towards what works in today's NCAA Football
This thread is pretty silly. If you would have said Paterno then that's different story.
KMAN
