Their position is since someone broke the bonus rule and/or bearded in bets they can go back and steal the players money. Games that were bet on and won with posted up money no longer "count". Even EWinner admits the plays were in no way affected by what the players did, they just feel it is a license to steal everything if a player breaks a rule. So is EWinner now a stiff book, or just someone lucky enough to find a reason to not pay the players?
By the way like most issues I'm not providing a social commentary on beards or bonus chasers. Just because I don't feel a book can rightfully confiscate money from these guys does not mean I condone it all. Sort of like if someone committed a robbery. I do not support what he did but don't think he should get the electric chair either. To go back and steal all the players money is way too harsh a punishment for the crime, that's all. Keep their bonuses and make them pay all fees but you can't keep their money? Why in hell would any book even want to? Of course for the book it is the most profitbale punishment but it does not make it the fairest.
I say this because we often get "so the Rx supports cheating now!!" Or some other extreme reaction to it. We won't all see things the same but just because I don't want all the players money taken over a rules violation does not mean I support what they did. Thanks.
I say this because we often get "so the Rx supports cheating now!!" Or some other extreme reaction to it. We won't all see things the same but just because I don't want all the players money taken over a rules violation does not mean I support what they did. Thanks.
Unless you call a book that just paid me 25 min ago a stiff, then YES, Ewinner is a stiff book.. I speak for a lot of guys here who have been paid by them too. Why would they even be considered a stiff book if they keep paying like clockwork.. Wouldn't a stiff book just stiff everyone??
If this was the definition of a stiff book then I just hope all stiff books end up being like Ewinner.. The offshore world would be a much better place...
If this was the definition of a stiff book then I just hope all stiff books end up being like Ewinner.. The offshore world would be a much better place...
As long as you got paid they're okay Sick? If I kill a man and don't kill you I'm not a murderer? A stiff book does not have to stiff everyone to be a stiff joint, didn't NAB pay you too? They a stiff joint or not? You think someone is only a stiff if they stiff everyone 100% of the time?
Of all people here you are defending EWinner, LOL. I rest my case.
Of all people here you are defending EWinner, LOL. I rest my case.
Sick,
Are you suggesting that is is ok to steal a players post up money, if the book believes you to be a bonus whore, so long as the account is NOT YOURS?
I have received countless telephone calls from you in the past when you were in the same boat as these guys...
WOW....
As many times as I have gone to bat for you to save your money, I am shocked...
Ken
Are you suggesting that is is ok to steal a players post up money, if the book believes you to be a bonus whore, so long as the account is NOT YOURS?
I have received countless telephone calls from you in the past when you were in the same boat as these guys...
WOW....
As many times as I have gone to bat for you to save your money, I am shocked...
Ken
Kenny, I am not putting you down at all here, and I do appreciate each time you've helped me, believe me.. Don't misunderstand me. I am just saying that this book is paying me, and I don't know the whole story behind these boys, but from what I know, they were circumventing limits with 6 different accts at the same time.. I never did that. I never had more than 1 acct at the same time. But I am very glad to see you come in and help the players get paid. It's good to know we really do have people that help us in case we need them..
But all I did say is Ewinner is still paying out its customers, and whether they should have paid them or not, I don't know...I mean, 6 accts at the same time circumventing limits??? And I had 1 acct at same time at RIO and not circumventing limits and I was sweating getting paid? My case was a joke compared to these guys and I am still called a scammer (which I don't care btw)
Like I said, I don't know the whole story here, but I am not putting you down in any way, shape or form here,and just answering Patty's boys question of whether Ewinner is a stiff book or not by just saying that they paid me 30 min ago, that's it..
But all I did say is Ewinner is still paying out its customers, and whether they should have paid them or not, I don't know...I mean, 6 accts at the same time circumventing limits??? And I had 1 acct at same time at RIO and not circumventing limits and I was sweating getting paid? My case was a joke compared to these guys and I am still called a scammer (which I don't care btw)
Like I said, I don't know the whole story here, but I am not putting you down in any way, shape or form here,and just answering Patty's boys question of whether Ewinner is a stiff book or not by just saying that they paid me 30 min ago, that's it..
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sick gambler:
Kenny, I am not putting you down at all here, and I do appreciate each time you've helped me, believe me.. Don't misunderstand me. I am just saying that this book is paying me, and I don't know the whole story behind these boys, but from what I know, they were circumventing limits with 6 different accts at the same time.. I never did that. I never had more than 1 acct at the same time. But I am very glad to see you come in and help the players get paid. It's good to know we really do have people that help us in case we need them..
But all I did say is Ewinner is still paying out its customers, and whether they should have paid them or not, I don't know...I mean, 6 accts at the same time circumventing limits??? And I had 1 acct at same time at RIO and not circumventing limits and I was sweating getting paid? My case was a joke compared to these guys and I am still called a scammer (which I don't care btw)
Like I said, I don't know the whole story here, but I am not putting you down in any way, shape or form here,and just answering Patty's boys question of whether Ewinner is a stiff book or not by just saying that they paid me 30 min ago, that's it..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Are you and KRACKMAN related?
Kenny, I am not putting you down at all here, and I do appreciate each time you've helped me, believe me.. Don't misunderstand me. I am just saying that this book is paying me, and I don't know the whole story behind these boys, but from what I know, they were circumventing limits with 6 different accts at the same time.. I never did that. I never had more than 1 acct at the same time. But I am very glad to see you come in and help the players get paid. It's good to know we really do have people that help us in case we need them..
But all I did say is Ewinner is still paying out its customers, and whether they should have paid them or not, I don't know...I mean, 6 accts at the same time circumventing limits??? And I had 1 acct at same time at RIO and not circumventing limits and I was sweating getting paid? My case was a joke compared to these guys and I am still called a scammer (which I don't care btw)
Like I said, I don't know the whole story here, but I am not putting you down in any way, shape or form here,and just answering Patty's boys question of whether Ewinner is a stiff book or not by just saying that they paid me 30 min ago, that's it..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Are you and KRACKMAN related?
Man, maybe you really are a suck up to kenny, Patty.. At first i denied that rumor, but this proves you are.. Here is why..you had nothing to say bad to me on your first post here, then you see Kenny talking to me in a different tone, what does Patty do,,, he follows in Kenny's footsteps and bashes me too just to show his boss that hey, I am on your side sir.. And you say my post was disgusting? lol.. This proved everything about you right here sir.
And I take back my offer..NO free tickets to a Hab game for you if you're ever in Montreal, and no free beers and dogs..
And I take back my offer..NO free tickets to a Hab game for you if you're ever in Montreal, and no free beers and dogs..
Did I miss a thread where the entire story of what happened here was explained?
How much had these players each posted up?
How much had each of the withdrawn prior to the "blow up".....I've heard $25-30K+.
What were the exact circumstances of their rules violations? How often?
I can understand if the owner is pissed at Shrink & doesn't want to talk to him, but he could still post his side of the story...here or elsewhere.
I still can't get a god damn answer as to whether or not this place is busted.
Did Corby originally say that they were busted & then later retract the statement?
I could go on and on.......
How much had these players each posted up?
How much had each of the withdrawn prior to the "blow up".....I've heard $25-30K+.
What were the exact circumstances of their rules violations? How often?
I can understand if the owner is pissed at Shrink & doesn't want to talk to him, but he could still post his side of the story...here or elsewhere.
I still can't get a god damn answer as to whether or not this place is busted.
Did Corby originally say that they were busted & then later retract the statement?
I could go on and on.......
I have always said that these guys should be paid all their funds, minus the bonuses.. I am not saying that these guys should not have been paid..
I only answered Patty boy about the question he asked if these guys are stiffs, and i said NO because if they were, they'd have stiffed me too... That's it.. NO WAY can a book just go on and book these bets and have the right to not pay after the fact. They should have picked this off a month ago, not when it's time to collect. You book a bet, you pay the bet. Why does everyone seem so stressed out around here.. geez
And like I also said many a times... I don't know the exact story behind all this.. Lets hear the full story kenny, you never told us..We want details sir..
I only answered Patty boy about the question he asked if these guys are stiffs, and i said NO because if they were, they'd have stiffed me too... That's it.. NO WAY can a book just go on and book these bets and have the right to not pay after the fact. They should have picked this off a month ago, not when it's time to collect. You book a bet, you pay the bet. Why does everyone seem so stressed out around here.. geez
And like I also said many a times... I don't know the exact story behind all this.. Lets hear the full story kenny, you never told us..We want details sir..
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cowboy Bill:
Mr. McIrish, sir, not what you expected? I'm sure the 350 new posters per week will come to the rescue or you can just delete this thread and pretend it never was.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's amost EXACTLY what I thought Butch. I figured about 25% would see the book as a stiff joint, we'll see how it ends up. Let the people speak, curious to see what it presents. Naw I probably won't delete this one.
Sick - my first post was disgust aimed at you, don't know how you missed it. Had nothing to do with Ken. You broke rules just as these guys did and now you want their money taken from them? At least be consistant.
I'm busy now but we can square off and go a few rounds later.
Mr. McIrish, sir, not what you expected? I'm sure the 350 new posters per week will come to the rescue or you can just delete this thread and pretend it never was.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's amost EXACTLY what I thought Butch. I figured about 25% would see the book as a stiff joint, we'll see how it ends up. Let the people speak, curious to see what it presents. Naw I probably won't delete this one.
Sick - my first post was disgust aimed at you, don't know how you missed it. Had nothing to do with Ken. You broke rules just as these guys did and now you want their money taken from them? At least be consistant.
I'm busy now but we can square off and go a few rounds later.
I view it similar to how SIA handled the stiffing of the mulitple accounts bonus/limits cheats. I didn't like that they kept all the player funds, but I did like that they sent a message that they were not going allow scammers.
Would have liked to have seen them give back the deposit minus any transfer fees and bonuses. And that is what Rio should have done to Sick Gambler as well.
But even using the above solution it provides very little disincentive to scammers. You get caught and you lose very little.
That said, I wouldn't play at Ewinner because I know nothing about them as they are new. And, this whole forum/stiff/ad situation doesn't make me to interested in learning more.
Would have liked to have seen them give back the deposit minus any transfer fees and bonuses. And that is what Rio should have done to Sick Gambler as well.
But even using the above solution it provides very little disincentive to scammers. You get caught and you lose very little.
That said, I wouldn't play at Ewinner because I know nothing about them as they are new. And, this whole forum/stiff/ad situation doesn't make me to interested in learning more.
