No, why do you think they use a crooked stick. Once those acrylic cubes leave your hand, and bounce on that green felt, your control is over. I used to coach craps players, get them in and out. But I would advocate hit and run, with low loss stops, and stops after being up. Craps is there for suckers and sharps. Where else can you find a game with two prices for same result. Big 6 and 8. Should say Big Sucker 6 and 8. Place them. True odds on back lines, but then you have field, hard ways, any craps. Biggest gouge, big Red or 7. Easily worst bet in entire casino. I walk by the tables and smile...Best Wishes...OF
How much is the tuition for these classes?
Is there a long waiting list?
Do they provide any type of financial aid?
How long is the semester?
The reason I am asking is because my friend Kyhawk might be interested.
He is leaning towards driving an 18-wheeler and I would love for him to find something more along the lines of something he would enjoy.
Thank you for your time.
Best Wishes,
FISH
Is there a long waiting list?
Do they provide any type of financial aid?
How long is the semester?
The reason I am asking is because my friend Kyhawk might be interested.
He is leaning towards driving an 18-wheeler and I would love for him to find something more along the lines of something he would enjoy.
Thank you for your time.
Best Wishes,
FISH
Think the idea of possibly having some dice control (along with sensible betting..come/pass and odds) is called "Rhymic rolling" and i also read about it in some craps book..it talks about not making any bet until the thrower has thrown at least 4 rolls to make surem they are not just a thrower....agree rhymic rolling might not work all the time but just need to make a couple extra passes to win some $$...also alot of luck involved...and smart..sensible placing of bets
There is no such thing as Rhymic, or Rhythimic rolling. You have zero control of bouncing acrylic cubes. Does not matter how they leave your hands, throwing, cuddling, cusping, once they hit the felt, they bounce. And you have two, not one, randomly bouncing cubes. It is a myth, that people want to believe, or beat the system people want you to believe. To sell you a book or system.
Fish. When I was a casino sportsbook player, there was always dead time at night. Many of my friends would come up and party in my suite, then eat and table game. I would explain odds, read table, yes they are hot/cold/choppy. Just as shooters. But mostly getting best odds, and money management. I would only reccommend it for entertainment, or fun. I would stand behind them, and watch, then advise and teach. It is not an income generator like bj or slots. Craps is not for novices, it eats you alive. Best thing I tell people is to bet table minimums on pass/don't pass. Then take full odds. The line bet is like the price you pay to get true odds. Keep the price to play that at a minimum. Max the true odds. Keep far away from gimmicks. Best Wishes...OF
Fish. When I was a casino sportsbook player, there was always dead time at night. Many of my friends would come up and party in my suite, then eat and table game. I would explain odds, read table, yes they are hot/cold/choppy. Just as shooters. But mostly getting best odds, and money management. I would only reccommend it for entertainment, or fun. I would stand behind them, and watch, then advise and teach. It is not an income generator like bj or slots. Craps is not for novices, it eats you alive. Best thing I tell people is to bet table minimums on pass/don't pass. Then take full odds. The line bet is like the price you pay to get true odds. Keep the price to play that at a minimum. Max the true odds. Keep far away from gimmicks. Best Wishes...OF
Fish...but isn't it true that Craps has the best Player odds...and BJ is 2nd if played correctly....not arguing at all but how can you say that BJ and slots are income generators whenyou really have 0 control in slots and BJ odds are 2nd to craps....and Froggy...with craps the way it is don't you think that rolling just 1 or 2 extra rolls before crapping out would make a difference and that by practicing and setting the dice a cretain way and hitting a certain spot sometimes it can help...agree it is random but only need an extra roll or 2?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FISHHEAD:
One can gain an edge in BJ and slots/videopoker to make them advantagous in the long run for the intelligent player.
There is no strategy that can buck the house odds at craps. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well I look forward to meeting you and picking your brain on slots/video poker at the Bash....see you then
One can gain an edge in BJ and slots/videopoker to make them advantagous in the long run for the intelligent player.
There is no strategy that can buck the house odds at craps. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well I look forward to meeting you and picking your brain on slots/video poker at the Bash....see you then
Yes, the best odds in the house are found at the crap table. So are the worst. If you find the right BJ table, and are good at counting, and money management, you can pass true odds, into +odds. The slots can be even better. I used to make the rounds, Sunday night and Monday morning. All of the public squares lined up the slots and walked away ignorant. I just took advantage of the setups left for me. You could practice rolling dice forever, have the same set, hit the same spot, and those dice bounce. They may double kiss, or one may lean and rock back. Or hit a pile of chips. Random acrylic cubes have no memory. I would bet someone/anyone to prove otherwise...Best Wishes...OF
Bear in mind, you try short arming, you will be told immediately, the dice must reach the end of table.
Bear in mind, you try short arming, you will be told immediately, the dice must reach the end of table.
There are some enormous threads on this at bj21.com, paid green chip, pay pages.
Basically, to summarize Stanford Wong now believes that it is not just possible but that he himself now is an advantage craps player. The key is to throw the cubes such that a perfectly executed throw will keep the die(s) "on axis" meaning they would bounce minimally and when they roll/bounce only 4 of the 6 numbers on a die can come up.......the 2 numbers on either side will never appear.
When executed, this will give the player a monster edge.
The best advantage players tend to feel it is theoretically possible, but they almost all feel that Stanford Wong greatly overestimates how easy it is, and his own prowess. I have argued that if Wong can get a big advantage after 2 months of practice, then lifetime advantage craps players would have been crushing the casinos with their far greater expertise.
Also, Wong loves to shill for Frank Scoblete and Sharpshooter and many guys who have written very suspect books and theories; these guys currently give seminars and I believe the Golden Touch (or something like it) group included a list of "certified" instructors they claimed to roll 7s 1/8 of the time only. One of the instructors was quickly identified as having a resume that would make George OLeary proud. His name was quickly deleted.
Scoblete clearly believes in the idiotic 5-count rhyhtmic rolling idea, where you bet on a random guy that has passed 5 times, etc. Rob Singeresq bad advice.
Bottom line. The guys giving these seminars admit they themselves don't like to gamble at any kind of high stakes.
Huh? Why wouldn't they, as they would have a printing press to make money if they were half as good as they say!
I have a standing challenge at bj21.com that I will bet against anyone claiming to be a winning Craps player. I've stated the challenge several times. To date, I've gotten one email expressing some interest, and NOTHING publicly on the boards.
You would think that if these guys were legit they would welcome attention/challenges, not run away like the WIMPS they have shown to be.
Basically, to summarize Stanford Wong now believes that it is not just possible but that he himself now is an advantage craps player. The key is to throw the cubes such that a perfectly executed throw will keep the die(s) "on axis" meaning they would bounce minimally and when they roll/bounce only 4 of the 6 numbers on a die can come up.......the 2 numbers on either side will never appear.
When executed, this will give the player a monster edge.
The best advantage players tend to feel it is theoretically possible, but they almost all feel that Stanford Wong greatly overestimates how easy it is, and his own prowess. I have argued that if Wong can get a big advantage after 2 months of practice, then lifetime advantage craps players would have been crushing the casinos with their far greater expertise.
Also, Wong loves to shill for Frank Scoblete and Sharpshooter and many guys who have written very suspect books and theories; these guys currently give seminars and I believe the Golden Touch (or something like it) group included a list of "certified" instructors they claimed to roll 7s 1/8 of the time only. One of the instructors was quickly identified as having a resume that would make George OLeary proud. His name was quickly deleted.
Scoblete clearly believes in the idiotic 5-count rhyhtmic rolling idea, where you bet on a random guy that has passed 5 times, etc. Rob Singeresq bad advice.
Bottom line. The guys giving these seminars admit they themselves don't like to gamble at any kind of high stakes.
Huh? Why wouldn't they, as they would have a printing press to make money if they were half as good as they say!
I have a standing challenge at bj21.com that I will bet against anyone claiming to be a winning Craps player. I've stated the challenge several times. To date, I've gotten one email expressing some interest, and NOTHING publicly on the boards.
You would think that if these guys were legit they would welcome attention/challenges, not run away like the WIMPS they have shown to be.
wow! that is true about slots frog. I'll never forget like 6-7 years ago, I had a great day playing blackjack at fox woods so on my way out, I tossed a 20 into a .25 cent slot machine and played the max and the three 7's with the flames came up fr a 675 payout, all at 3 in the morning some cute chic along with another attendant comes out and says stick out my palm while she places 100's in my hand. that was really cool, I had no idea how the JP slot procedure had worked prior to that.
there are much fewer players between 3-5 am but that is when more payouts than usual occur at slots it seems. maybe its just me.
there are much fewer players between 3-5 am but that is when more payouts than usual occur at slots it seems. maybe its just me.
Rob- It is just you, sorry.
I think you may feel that way because it is alot quieter in the casino in the morning and the jackpots stand out more........just a theory.
Although a casino can certainly change the payouts on a given slot machine, to do so on a nightly basis is highly improbable and quite frankly doesnt happen.
I think you may feel that way because it is alot quieter in the casino in the morning and the jackpots stand out more........just a theory.
Although a casino can certainly change the payouts on a given slot machine, to do so on a nightly basis is highly improbable and quite frankly doesnt happen.
So Frog, you are saying that there might be some way to tell when a slot is getting ready to pay out?? Not disagreeing , just seems too ez and kinda unlikely , but I'm always willing to learn...Agree that various machines and casinos pay out a certain % and it dosen't matter when they pay or how often ..its just that they pay out that %...would luv to learn more...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OMNIVOROUS FROG:
Yes, the best odds in the house are found at the crap table. So are the worst. If you find the right BJ table, and are good at counting, and money management, you can pass true odds, into +odds. The slots can be even better. I used to make the rounds, Sunday night and Monday morning. All of the public squares lined up the slots and walked away ignorant. I just took advantage of the setups left for me. You could practice rolling dice forever, have the same set, hit the same spot, and those dice bounce. They may double kiss, or one may lean and rock back. Or hit a pile of chips. Random acrylic cubes have no memory. I would bet someone/anyone to prove otherwise...Best Wishes...OF
Bear in mind, you try short arming, you will be told immediately, the dice must reach the end of table. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OMNIVOROUS FROG:
Yes, the best odds in the house are found at the crap table. So are the worst. If you find the right BJ table, and are good at counting, and money management, you can pass true odds, into +odds. The slots can be even better. I used to make the rounds, Sunday night and Monday morning. All of the public squares lined up the slots and walked away ignorant. I just took advantage of the setups left for me. You could practice rolling dice forever, have the same set, hit the same spot, and those dice bounce. They may double kiss, or one may lean and rock back. Or hit a pile of chips. Random acrylic cubes have no memory. I would bet someone/anyone to prove otherwise...Best Wishes...OF
Bear in mind, you try short arming, you will be told immediately, the dice must reach the end of table. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Rob, it was not the time of day, it was that the public bet heavy on the slots during the weekend, and went home with machines loaded up to an advantage to the player. I am not beating the slot machine, I am beating the player who erroneously walked away.
Fezzik, yes, that is Mr. Wong beating everything. Casinos welcome the Wongs of the world, and thier Axis dice throwing. What are the dice doing in the air, spinning on that perfect axis? Then the land, if they hit an edge, it has to be 100% straight, if it is even slightly off, towards a corner, the axis is lost. Best point, if he could actually do it, he would not have to sell it. This is a cynic's dream. P.T. Barnum would be proud...Best Wishes..OF
Fezzik, yes, that is Mr. Wong beating everything. Casinos welcome the Wongs of the world, and thier Axis dice throwing. What are the dice doing in the air, spinning on that perfect axis? Then the land, if they hit an edge, it has to be 100% straight, if it is even slightly off, towards a corner, the axis is lost. Best point, if he could actually do it, he would not have to sell it. This is a cynic's dream. P.T. Barnum would be proud...Best Wishes..OF
