Is Carmelo Anthony underrated as an NBA defender?

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Is Carmelo Anthony underrated as an NBA defender?

  • No, he sucks on defense.

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • Yes, he's improved and is underrated defensively.

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • He's just average.

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • Who cares?

    Votes: 4 30.8%

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I don't necessarily agree with you. Anything can happen in a seven game series. Indiana took Miami to the brink last year so we'll see how it goes. I think a healthy Rose could lead the Bulls over Miami. Not this year but in the future. Think the Clips or Grizz could challenge the Thunder in a series. You never can tell.

Obviously it is sports anything can happen (injuries especialy) I never said it couldn't. If I didn't think it couldnt happen I'd give blood every week and bet anything I could on those teams winning. Just saying to beat those 2 teams is going to be a very tall task this year and in the coming years just like it was a tall task to beat MJs bulls in the 1990s. That doesn't mean Cbark/Malone/Ewing/RMiller etc weren't great players because they "couldn't lead a team to a championship"
 

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You don't think Indiana is solid? A player like David West would give Melo all kinds of problems at PF if Melo is as bad as you say he is.

Yeah, because West is an offensive juggernaut. What a good argument you make.

Indiana is solid with Granger but he's out for the year so no, they are not solid right now.
 

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Obviously it is sports anything can happen. I never said it couldn't. If I didn't think anyone could happen I'd give blood every week and bet anything I could on those teams winning. Just saying to beat those 2 teams is going to be a very tall task this year and in the coming years....

True.
 

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Yeah, because West is an offensive juggernaut. What a good argument you make.

Indiana is solid with Granger but he's out for the year so no, they are not solid right now.

Huh? He hasn't played all year. They haven't had Granger all year.

Umm West is a very good scorer? I mean he'll ruin Melo if Melo is as bad on D as you say he is, lol.

17ppg on 49% shooting on 1 of the slowest paced, halfcourt teams in the league. Been a 20ppg scorer multiple years of his career. I mean he isn't Tim Duncan but if Melo is what you are saying he will tax that ass.
 

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Huh? He hasn't played all year. They haven't had Granger all year.

Umm West is a very good scorer? I mean he'll ruin Melo if Melo is as bad on D as you say he is, lol.

17ppg on 49% shooting on 1 of the slowest paced, halfcourt teams in the league. Been a 20ppg scorer multiple years of his career. I mean he isn't Tim Duncan but if Melo is what you are saying he will tax that ass.

1) Granger played in five games in February.
2) West will probably average 15 PPG in the playoffs if they face off. 15-17 or so.
 

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1) Granger played in five games in February.
2) West will probably average 15 PPG in the playoffs if they face off. 15-17 or so.

Really enfuego....When I say Granger hasn't played all year, your response is he played 5 games in limited mins in early February?
I mean you know what I meant man, he basically hasn't been apart of their team all year.

This is the type of post its like wtf, this guy just is semantics all day. You know what I meant.


THIS IS AC! I'M WITH OJ YOU KNOW WHO THIS IS DAMNITT!
 

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Really enfuego....When I say Granger hasn't played all year, your response is he played 5 games in limited mins in early February?
I mean you know what I meant man, he basically hasn't been apart of their team all year.

This is the type of post its like wtf, this guy just is semantics all day. You know what I meant.


THIS IS AC! I'M WITH OJ YOU KNOW WHO THIS IS DAMNITT!

Well, when you said he hadn't played all year that wasn't quite accurate. The Pacers are a better team with Granger playing. Settle down man. It's all good.
 

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Well, when you said he hadn't played all year that wasn't quite accurate. The Pacers are a better team with Granger playing. Settle down man. It's all good.

Umm, I am very settled? we're just talking.

That is just an awful post though to correct me by saying Granger played 5 games of limited minutes. He hasn't been on the team all year.

Those are the random muddy everything up make it impossible for the person to talk to you type of posts you have become famous for around here. Otherwise I don't mind replying to you and going on, but that is just like is this guy serious?

The post wasn't quite accurate, lol. What is this a court of law? Ok let me rephrase he has played like 110 mins of a possible 32980582308523 mins this year, he basically has not been a part of the team this year. Is that good enough?

I'll try to be more accurate in future posts.
 

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Reason #12694398693409 why you just talk to talk.

In a previous post you said you personally don't see NYK doing well in the playoffs. Now you are saying Indiana is not a solid team.

Who do you like to beat NYK then if you don't see them doing well in the playoffs? I'm guessing it isn't Indiana, who is it?
 

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Reason #12694398693409 why you just talk to talk.

In a previous post you said you personally don't see NYK doing well in the playoffs. Now you are saying Indiana is not a solid team.

Who do you like to beat NYK then if you don't see them doing well in the playoffs? I'm guessing it isn't Indiana, who is it?

Jesus H. Christ. WTF does it take? The only quality team in the entire East is the Miami Heat. The Knicks would finish about 6th or 7th in the playoff race if they were in the Western Conference. Anyone can beat anyone in an NBA playoff series.

Dude, what else do you want me to say? You are actually arguing Casey Anthony is a good defensive player and that the East is a good conference. These are two things you are clearly wrong about. What else do you want me to say?
 

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Jesus H. Christ. WTF does it take? The only quality team in the entire East is the Miami Heat. The Knicks would finish about 6th or 7th in the playoff race if they were in the Western Conference. Anyone can beat anyone in an NBA playoff series.

Dude, what else do you want me to say? You are actually arguing Casey Anthony is a good defensive player and that the East is a good conference. These are two things you are clearly wrong about. What else do you want me to say?


If you don't see the Knicks doing well in the playoffs ( you said this in a previous thread)

Who do you like to beat them? It is just a question based on something you said in a previous thread.


I don't think I said either of those things you imply I said in the second paragraph of your post. Keep muddying though....
You are the king of the logical fallacy.
 

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If you don't see the Knicks doing well in the playoffs ( you said this in a previous thread)

Who do you like to beat them? It is just a question based on something you said in a previous thread.


I don't think I said either of those things you imply I said in the second paragraph of your post. Keep muddying though....
You are the king of the logical fallacy.

Wait, you're saying now after all of this bullshit, you actually didn't say Marc Anthony is good on defense? Talk about muddying the water. What has been the point of the entire conversation then? Who's on first?

Boston could beat the Knicks in a series no? Don't know if I see that but I could see it going to a deciding game.
 

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Wait, you're saying now after all of this bullshit, you actually didn't say Marc Anthony is good on defense? Talk about muddying the water. What has been the point of the entire conversation then? Who's on first?

Boston could beat the Knicks in a series no? Don't know if I see that but I could see it going to a deciding game.

I dunno, maybe they could, they would have a shot I'm sure. You are the one that said you think Knicks will not do well in the playoffs so I figured you had teams in mind you liked against them when you said that. If you don't expect team A to do well, it must be at the expense of Teams B/C/D...


I am pretty sure you know what I said about Melo's D and I actually do give you some comprehension capability. I said from a versatility standpoint his ability to guard bigger players and not be at much of a deficit is underrated and has allowed the Knicks a very nice advantage in their games. This aspect of his defense has made his defensive contribution underrated. This is what I've said all thread in all threads on this subject and you know this!

I asked you why more teams don't do this on a regular basis if it so easy and even a subpar defender can do it, you can feel free to comment on that if you want.
 

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I dunno, maybe they could, they would have a shot I'm sure. You are the one that said you think Knicks will not do well in the playoffs so I figured you had teams in mind you liked against them when you said that. If you don't expect team A to do well, it must be at the expense of Teams B/C/D...

I am pretty sure you know what I said about Melo's D and I actually do give you some comprehension capability. I said from a versatility standpoint his ability to guard bigger players and not be at much of a deficit is underrated and has allowed the Knicks a very nice advantage in their games. This aspect of his defense has made his defensive contribution underrated. This is what I've said all thread in all threads on this subject and you know this!

I asked you why more teams don't do this on a regular basis if it so easy and even a subpar defender can do it, you can feel free to comment on that if you want.

So, instead of all this mumbo jumbo, let me just ask it the way it should be asked. In your opinion, is Carmelo "Marc" Anthony an above average, average or below average NBA defender?
 

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So, instead of all this mumbo jumbo, let me just ask it the way it should be asked. In your opinion, is Carmelo "Marc" Anthony an above average, average or below average NBA defender?

I think the way the Knicks utilize him and how he has played this year, I would definitely say he is a + defender in his current role with them all things considered.

It is a unique situation though, a guy playing out of position to change the rest of the game so a lot of other factors involved but yeah overall 2012-2013 Carmelo Anthony a + defender on the Knicks. His versatility moreso than actuall defensive skill would make him a good defender this year with the Knicks.

I would even put it on your boy George Karl a little, how come he didn't play Melo at the 4 much all those years? Probably should've thought to experiment with it more. His lateral quickness on D isn't very good because of how stocky he is, but his strength is pretty top notch for a SF. Although I wouldn't really say Woodson/NYK figured out this is the way to use him, a lot of it is just Amare died at they had no one else of quality to play PF.

If that is too longwinded of an answer, I'm sorry but some things aren't just cut and dry. I've seen few PFs kill Melo this year (David Lee comes to mind) but for the most part he has held his own against bigs.
 

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Furthermore your "idiot" "selfish" and all that OP stuff you said is pretty much garbage to me. Just useless conjecture about some athlete you don't even know.

There is a reason LeBron James and Kevin Durant don't guard bigger players every night and reasons their teams don't ask them to unless it is possibly advantageous in a playoff scenario, because it is fucking hard man.

Questioning someones effort when they are defensively playing out of position, lol. I mean if you think he sucks thats fine, but questioning effort in that spot is a joke.
 

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Furthermore your "idiot" "selfish" and all that OP stuff you said is pretty much garbage to me. Just useless conjecture about some athlete you don't even know.

There is a reason LeBron James and Kevin Durant don't guard bigger players every night and reasons their teams don't ask them to unless it is possibly advantageous in a playoff scenario, because it is fucking hard man.

Questioning someones effort when they are defensively playing out of position, lol. I mean if you think he sucks thats fine, but questioning effort in that spot is a joke.

We'll just agree to disagree all the way around Pats but defense is all effort and there's no disputing that. So, in that sense, if you suck on defense, which John Anthony surely does, his effort is lacking...except when he wants to score.
 

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We'll just agree to disagree all the way around Pats but defense is all effort and there's no disputing that. So, in that sense, if you suck on defense, which John Anthony surely does, his effort is lacking...except when he wants to score.

I think it is safe to say if someone is playing out of position for the better of the team they are probably above some of your critiques of their commitment, attitude, etc....If you just think he can't guard anyone or it doesn't matter what position he is playing just sucks on D that is fine. However I think it would be pretty tough to say he doesn't take the game seriously given his play this season and playing out of position on defense every night for the team. To each their own though...

Why am I even defending this guy so much? In 2 weeks decent chance I'll want him to choke so C's can get that W.

Sucks Rondo died, if C's had him they would be 2nd best in the East IMO and this wouldn't be reflected in the betting markets at all because there is that narrative they are "too old" every single year.
 

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I think it is safe to say if someone is playing out of position for the better of the team they are probably above some of your critiques of their commitment, attitude, etc....If you just think he can't guard anyone or it doesn't matter what position he is playing just sucks on D that is fine. However I think it would be pretty tough to say he doesn't take the game seriously given his play this season and playing out of position on defense every night for the team. To each their own though...

Why am I even defending this guy so much? In 2 weeks decent chance I'll want him to choke so C's can get that W.

Sucks Rondo died, if C's had him they would be 2nd best in the East IMO and this wouldn't be reflected in the betting markets at all because there is that narrative they are "too old" every single year.

It's an interesting discussion PatsFan. Something tells me we're going to see this thread again during the playoffs this year.
 

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