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[size=+1]Zarqawi: We will fight 'Until Islamic rule is back on Earth'[/size]
<SMALL>AP ^ | 6/23/04 | Ap</SMALL>


BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) — A recording purportedly made by the mastermind of bombings and beheadings in Iraq threatened to assassinate Iraq's interim prime minister and fight the Americans "until Islamic rule is back on Earth."

The audio, found Wednesday on an Islamic Web site, is supposedly from Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the same Jordanian-born terrorist whose group claimed responsibility for the beheading of American hostage Nicholas Berg and Kim Sun-il, a South Korean whose decapitated body was found Tuesday evening between Baghdad and Fallujah. South Koreans reacted with sorrow and anger to Kim's beheading Wednesday, with President Roh Moo-hyun calling it a "crime against humanity."

After the slaying, U.S. forces launched an airstrike on what the Americans said was an al-Zarqawi hideout in Fallujah. Three people were killed and nine wounded, said Dr. Loai Ali Zeidan at Fallujah Hospital. It was the second U.S. airstrike on Fallujah since Saturday.

"In both cases we believe we hit significant numbers of al-Zarqawi lieutenants and al-Zarqawi fighters," said Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the coalition's deputy operations chief. The airstrikes also destroyed large ammunition stores, Kimmitt said Wednesday in an interview with Associated Press Television News.

Kim's body was found two days after he appeared on a videotape broadcast by Al-Jazeera television, pleading "I don't want to die" and begging his government to pull its soldiers out of Iraq.

South Korea refused and said it would go ahead with plans to send another 3,000 forces here by August, which will make it the third-largest troop contributor after the United States and Britain.

"When we think of his desperate appeals for life, our hearts are wrenched with grief," Roh said Wednesday in a national television address.

In the audiotape, the speaker thought to be al-Zarqawi told Iraq's interim prime minister, Iyad Allawi, that "we will continue the game with you until the end." The speaker said "we will not get bored" until "we make you drink from the same glass" as Izzadine Saleem, the Iraqi Governing Council president killed last month in a car-bombing claimed by al-Zarqawi's group.

"We will carry on our jihad against the Western infidel and the Arab apostate until Islamic rule is back on Earth," the voice said.

An official with Allawi's office dismissed the threat, saying it would not derail the transfer of sovereignty next week. Click for larger view.

Elsewhere, a roadside bomb exploded near Baghdad's Kindi Hospital on Wednesday, killing a policeman who was handling the bomb and a mother and her child who were riding in a taxi, Iraqi police said. Another man, his shirt off, was seen being led away in handcuffs.

In Ramadi, an insurgent stronghold 60 miles west of Baghdad, gunmen killed two policemen and wounded a third in a drive-by shooting, witnesses said.

A roadside bomb also exploded as an Iraqi National Guard patrol passed in the northern city of Mosul, killing one Iraqi soldier and wounding four others, the U.S. military said.

The beheading of Kim, 33, who worked for a South Korean company providing supplies to U.S. forces, stunned South Korea and prompted the Seoul government to order all nonessential civilians to leave Iraq as soon as possible.

Late Tuesday, the Arabic language satellite television channel Al-Jazeera broadcast a videotape of a terrified Kim kneeling, blindfolded and wearing an orange jumpsuit similar to those issued to prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Kim's shoulders were heaving, his mouth open and moving as if he were gulping air and sobbing. Five hooded and armed men stood behind him, one with a big knife slipped in his belt.

One of the masked men read a statement addressed to the Korean people: "This is what your hands have committed. Your army has not come here for the sake of Iraqis, but for cursed America." South Korea is a U.S. ally in Iraq.

Al-Jazeera did not show the actual beheading, saying it was too graphic.

American troops found Kim's body between Baghdad and Fallujah about 5:20 p.m. Iraq time, South Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman Shin Bong-kil said. The body was identified by a photograph sent by e-mail to the South Korean embassy.

The killing and kidnapping was claimed by Al-Zarqawi's group, Monotheism and Jihad.

The grisly killing was reminiscent of the decapitation of Berg and of American helicopter technician Paul M. Johnson Jr., 49, who was beheaded by al-Qaida militants in Saudi Arabia. An al-Qaida group claiming responsibility posted an Internet message that showed photographs of Johnson's severed head. Also Tuesday, two American soldiers were killed and another wounded in an attack on a convoy near Balad, 50 miles north of Baghdad. The dean of the University of Mosul law school was murdered in another attack against the country's intellectual elite. Gunmen also killed two Iraqi women working as translators for British forces in Basra, Iraqi officials said.
 

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Pinky and the Brain have a better chance of taking over the world than Zarqawi.

For all the fear of a global Islamic revolution, I am surprised that nobody sees how the war in Iraq is fueling anti-American sentiment and actually helping the cause of the fundies. No doubt they are recruiting Iraqis. Probably people who have lost family members and have nothing to lose now. It all seems pretty elementary to me.
 

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Yes X....if we didn't go to Iraq these terrorists would be gardening and writing poetry just like Sadaam. How dare we make them mad at us.
 

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xpanda, anti-American sentiment is something that has always been there.

If enough people in other nations feel that strongly, then they will take whatever actions they must against the US. Of course, they would risk marginalizing themselves in the world marketplace, so must consider the value of any anti-Amercian acts.

The UN itself can condemn the US - not that it means much - to continue as a viable entity, the UN must have the US amongst it's ranks, otherwise it risks complete irrelevancy.

The US will continue to do whatever is in the best interests iof the US, so please get used to it!

As for Values, please recognize that this melting pot nation enjoys it's own set of values that have evolved over the decades - these values are NOT European, but are uniquely "American".

Canda has always held a close relationship to the UK and France and has held close to it's European roots - so no wonder the cultural rift.
 

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You know something X.

I wonder if the people in the mid east ever thought..."We better not attack America. That will make more Americans."

Well they should have because now they have 500,000 tobacco chewing,cigar smoking,gin drinking, hot dog eating, muff diving, baseball betting american GI's up their ass.In their own backyard....something they never dreamed of until Bush said no more!

Do you think OBL could win another election across the mideast if there were such a thing with that brilliant move (9/11)???

Think about it.If they did have a democracy over there 9/11 would never happen....Thats why its worth a shot now.
 
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Guys:

X makes some great pts as usual ...

I just had a client call me from Germany ... his sentiments were the same as X's in that our occupation of Iraq has fueled all time high anti-American sentiments throughout Europe

We are attempting to shove Western Ideals - nearly 250 yrs old - down the throats of a Muslim society that is 3000 yrs old ...

This is a battle we are not going to win ... too bad the Neo-Cons just cant digest the realities of this situation
 

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Doc - what???

What ideals are we shoving down their throats?

Where imposing Democracy on them - and since Democracy is a worldwide, multiracial, multicultural ideology, it ain't a Westen ideal.

Other than that, we haven't forced a damned thing on them that they didn't ask for or deserve!

Gimmee a break with your whining innuendoes and accusations. Your anti-American attitude is showing.

By the way, I deal with Germans, French and Limeys on a daily basis and all of us studiously avoid politics. I was asked once what I thought of Kerry, and I told them what I and a lot of other vets thought of him.

None - NONE - of our political feelings spill over into the business arena!
 

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Yes X....if we didn't go to Iraq these terrorists would be gardening and writing poetry just like Sadaam. How dare we make them mad at us.

Come on, you are smarter than this post. In the first place, you know damn well I don't think these guys just want to be left to their artistic endeavours. I understand full well what these guys are made of. But they are not the suicide bombers, are they? They recruit regular people and turn them into militants. It would be alot harder to recruit these regular people if they weren't being given new and better reasons to hate you.

Terrorism is reproducing in Iraq, thanks in large part to the invasion. Blight and others will say that it's better to have them fight there than here (a cowardly and immoral position, imo) but the point everyone is unwilling to acknowledge is that their numbers are multiplying daily.
 

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I wonder if the people in the mid east ever thought..."We better not attack America. That will make more Americans."


I would bet my left tit that on 9/11 millions of Arabs and Muslims around the world were immediately aware that anti-Arab sentiment was about to rise in the US and that retaliation would be swift.

They were right.

Reverse the roles, and the same holds true. You guys are perpetuating the problem with Iraq. Simple.
 
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I love it .. anyone opposing this disaster in Iraq is Anti-American???

Go read Buchanons book ... we are forcing Democracy down the throat of Iraqis .. ya have a bunch of Neo-Cons who think this is their "God given" right ....

Democracy starts from within .. not by rolling tanks into a Muslim world because Cheney told ya that "we would be greeted as Liberators .."

We have no right to be in this mess in Iraq .. a war many of the Generals and Bush, Sr oppossed ...
 

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But they are not the suicide bombers, are they? They recruit regular people and turn them into militants. It would be alot harder to recruit these regular people if they weren't being given new and better reasons to hate you

No it would be a lot harder to recruit people if the recruiters were dead. It's a lot harder to sell your weapons to terrorists if the government is not a terrorist regime. (Remember this country is one big ammo dump) It's a lot harder to develop and market your WMD's to terrorists if your country is not a terrorist regime. Remember Sadaam was gaming the sanctions....we know now that his goal was to reconstitute his WMD program which no doubt would have happened.
 

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Give war a chance for 6 months without crying, just try it without political correctness.
 

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No it would be a lot harder to recruit people if the recruiters were dead.

Yup. Which certainly begs the question: why did Bush re-direct his anti-terror efforts to Iraq when the main perpetrators of 9/11 and such were elsewhere? And why did he follow this move up by saying that he's not "too worried" about Osama?

It's a lot harder to sell your weapons to terrorists if the government is not a terrorist regime.

Yup. And Saddam Hussein, while a total monster, was not a 'terrorist regime' in the literal sense. He was a murderous dictator. He was not working with AQ as your clever wording implies. This fact is not only obvious, but verified.

(Remember this country is one big ammo dump)

Yup. But they were conventional explosives -- perfectly legal and expected -- so far as I know. They certainly weren't WMD or there's no way the US would have let them get away. If they could have paraded WMD out in front of a live studio audience, you know they would have.

It's a lot harder to develop and market your WMD's to terrorists if your country is not a terrorist regime.

Saddam would be committing political suicide by giving WMD to terrorists. He didn't have any, and if he did, I am sure he could have found more useful purposes for them than giving them away -- like use them against invading troops. You guys really need to let go of this talking point. Christ, even Bush and Co. don't say it anymore.

Remember Sadaam was gaming the sanctions....we know now that his goal was to reconstitute his WMD program which no doubt would have happened.

I have no doubt that Saddam wanted to rebuild his WMD and take you guys off the map. But wanting to do something and having the ability to do it are two different things. The sanctions, despite the oil-for-food programme (which was not known and not a factor at the time), were working. Saddam had not re-started his WMD programme. This is verified by your own gov't both before and after the war.

It is likely that Saddam would have fallen before he could have rebuilt his weapons programme. At any rate, you don't invade a nation that you know is defenceless. That is something Saddam would do.
 

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I'm suppose to believe that after months of being occupied by an invading force, and having suffered massive civilian casualties, that the Iraqi people are just going to welcome the invading force and willingly adopt democracy and every other doctrine imposed upon them.....WOW!

Terrorists don't need recruiters with the current situation in Iraq. There are enough Iraqi families effected by this war, either through direct losses from a family member dying, or business losses due to the state of the economy over there, to supply a steady and willing stream of new terrorists that never existed before......

If you lost your wife or kids or had your storefront blown out as a result of an invading force, you would feel the same way as a number of Iraqi citizens are feeling right now.......walk a mile in thier shoes for once......this isn't any different than what some people feel in America when someone murders a family member and is currently on death row.......they want to see the convicted fry and are watching in the next room the day that it happens....
 

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GAMEFACE said:
Give war a chance for 6 months without crying, just try it without political correctness.


This is an amazing quote, coming from a Christian, right?
You should put it to music, I think I heard something like
it a while back. Incredible!!
 

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I just had a client call me from Germany ... his sentiments were the same as X's in that our occupation of Iraq has fueled all time high anti-American sentiments
Tell your Krout client that we don't care what Germany or any other Europeans think. The U.S. will continue to do what it feels is in it's best interest, just like every other country in the world.

Here's a secret that I don't think you are aware of....anti-American sentiments were there before 9/11. Do you think they started liking Americans all of a sudden after the U.S. (with the help of some friends) blasted and crashed through Germany ONLY 59 years ago and reduced much of that peaceful little country to rubble, and deservedly so? Don't expect the Germans to welcome the Americans with open arms for quite some time. Nor the Russians or English! Especially the Russians. Why don't you ask your Krout client for his takes on our Russian friends?
 

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Certainly I can't speak for Germany, but here, I'd say anti-American sentiment would rank a 4 out of 10, pre-Iraq. Now, it's hovering around an eight.

I can only imagine how much worse it must be in those regions where red, white and blue bombs are dropping on their heads. Put yourself in their shoes for five minutes and see how'd you react.

Never mind, we've already seen it ....
 

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until islamic rule is back on earth.....

lol, the longer they keep fighting, the less chance of that ever happening. has anyone else noticed the severe drop in the worlds arab population lately???

1000 americans have died. over 100,000 arabs. these people arent fighting for a cause. they are animals that know only to fight. its all they have done for thousands of years. perhaps a chance at democracy will change that eventually.

i read a news report about a woman in afganistan who broke into tears when she voted and was told by another woman what a great day this was for her daughters.

the sacrifices we make today, could very well be worth it tommorow.

remember, the anti-war americans were against fighting hitler as well, where would the world be today if we hadnt gotten involved with that one???
 

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Here in the UK, the other country taking all the casualties in this mindnumbingly pointless war, the tide has turned.

Recent phone-ins have been full of folk saying how pissed they were they did not have a vote last week. I'd be surprised if Bush could have won 10% of the UK vote, even some elements of the right-wing press are anti-Bush.

The main problem is that the whole point of democracies is that we don't:

1. Initiate wars against sovereign nations which have not invaded other countires.

2. Imprison people without trial for years on end, bringing not a shred of evidence against them in the process.

3. Attempt to ram our view of the world down other people by force of bombs and tanks.

4. Commit war crimes on POWs.

5. Ignore world opinion and the United Nations time after time.

For the USSR, Zimbabwe, Nazi Germany, North Korea, Serbia, Iraq and so on these methods can be expected. Democratic countries should, in my view, aspire to higher standards than this past sorry 2 or 3 years of shame.

Afghanistan was fine, it was a direct response to an attack. Ever since then we have been acting like a criminal state.

I especially despise the Christians versus Moslems viewpoints expressed time after time on this site. This is supposed to be 2004 and not 1004. 1,000 years have passed and we are still trying to "convert" folk to Christianity using the well-tried methods of physical violence and threats and torture.

It's a depressing thought to me that the same "religious war" brain patterns that were present in England, France and Germany in 1004 are still alive and kicking in USA in 2004.
 

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