Is Anthony Davis On The Verge Of Passing Lebron James As NBA King?

Search

hacheman@therx.com
Staff member
Joined
Jan 2, 2002
Messages
139,222
Tokens
'The Brow' evolving into 'The King'

The realities of aging mean Anthony Davis will inherit LeBron James' crown


By Kevin Pelton | ESPN Insider

Tonight, Anthony Davis and LeBron James will meet in Cleveland, when Davis' New Orleans Pelicans face James' Cleveland Cavaliers. That might not be the last time their paths intersect in the near future, and not only in terms of the return matchup Dec. 12 in the Big Easy.As both players age, it's seemingly inevitable that Davis will catch James<offer>, possibly sooner rather than later.</offer>
[h=3](Gradual) Decline of the King[/h]
Of all the explanations posited for James' slow start in his return to Cleveland, from his offseason weight loss to a hidden injury, the simplest one is his age. James will be 30 on Dec. 30, putting him firmly beyond the peak age for an NBA star. In general, NBA players appear to peak statistically at age 27, although it's more accurate to describe a peak range between ages 25 and 29.
While stars play by a slightly different set of rules, they too are generally in decline by age 30. Here's how the 12 players with at least 150 career wins above replacement player who have entered the league since 1990 have aged on average, as a percentage of their best single-season rating:
insider_agingcurves1_mh_576x324.jpg
<cite style="margin: 0px 0px 4px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; display: block; color: rgb(171, 171, 171); background: transparent;">Kevin Pelton/ESPN.com</cite>

This group peaked at age 28, and just two of the players (point guards Jason Kidd and Steve Nash) enjoyed their best season after age 29.
As important as the concept of peak age is, a single aging curve obscures some of the important details about the aging process. Really, there are two effects battling against each other. Players peak athletically before age 27, but they continue to add skills and experience throughout their career.
To try to quantify the distinction, I separated statistics that largely measure athleticism (offensive rebound percentage, steal percentage and block percentage) from those that primarily measure learned skills (shooting, turnover percentage and foul percentage). Among players with careers of 10 years or longer, here are the average aging curves for both types of stats, along with the combination of the two.
insider_starsaging_mh_576x324.jpg
<cite style="margin: 0px 0px 4px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; display: block; color: rgb(171, 171, 171); background: transparent;">Kevin Pelton/ESPN.com</cite>

The graph shows that athleticism-based stats (blue) generally peak at the start of a player's career and trend downward over time. Meanwhile, players continue to improve their skills and experience (red) until late in their careers. The green line approximates the overall aging curve. Before age 27, players gain more skills and experience than they lose athleticism. After this point, the athleticism drain causes them to decline.
That's generally what we've seen with James. His improvement as a shooter, along with the selectivity playing with great teammates in Miami afforded him, allowed James to become more efficient than ever deep into his 20s. We'll likely see that continue with the Cavaliers once James is comfortable with his new teammates -- and, perhaps more importantly, as the younger ones improve at running the offense.
At the same time, James' waning athleticism has manifested itself in weaker defensive stats, particularly in terms of blocked shots, and fewer offensive rebounds. It became clear during the Heat's 2014 playoff run that James wasn't merely coasting during the regular season. He isn't the same athlete he once was, and he shouldn't be expected to be. We're at the point where James' gains in skills and experience are unlikely to entirely overcome this drop-off.
[h=3]The rise of Davis[/h]
The same aging curve working against James continues to push Davis inexorably toward superstardom. At 21, the Pelicans' big man needn't yet worry about losing athleticism, and he seems to improve his skills by the day. Early in the season, Davis leads qualified players in PERand win percentage (the equivalent per-minute WARP rating); he is second in win shares per 48 minutes and box plus-minus.
Davis will have a tough time sustaining some of his early numbers, most notably a substantial uptick in his block percentage from last season's league-leading mark that can be traced to a nine-block season opener. Other improvements are likely to be more sustainable, such as his increased usage rate and a drop in turnover rate. We'll see where that leaves Davis relative to James and Kevin Durant in the NBA's hierarchy of stars, once Durant has returned from the fractured bone in his foot that has sidelined him.
It's now clearer than ever that, barring injury, Davis is on track to become the league's best player.
And that moment, which once seemed distant in the future, might already be within view. It's simply a matter of time -- and age.
[h=3]News and Notes[/h][h=4]Strength of Schedule[/h]
TeamGSOS
Boston63.2
Oklahoma City72.2
Golden State61.9
Dallas71.9
San Antonio51.7
Phoenix7-1.2
Chicago7-1.9
Milwaukee7-2.1
Brooklyn6-3.2
Detroit6-3.9

<thead style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background: transparent;">
</thead><tbody style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background: transparent;">
</tbody>


• Which team has had the toughest schedule over the first two weeks of the NBA season? The chart at right shows the five hardest and easiest schedules in terms of points better than or worse than all average opponents, based on location and opponent performance this season.
The Boston Celtics have played six teams that made the playoffs a year ago, and while the Indiana Pacers are no longer a challenging foe, the other five are off to above-average starts. The Oklahoma City Thunder have gotten no favor playing without Durant and Russell Westbrook, while the Golden State Warriors were the last undefeated team (until Sunday night) despite a tough slate. At the other end of the spectrum, the Detroit Pistons haven't taken advantage of weak opposition, a troubling sign.
• With Golden State's loss at Phoenix, the league's longest winning streak now belongs to the 6-1 Toronto Raptors, who crushed the Philadelphia 76ers 120-88 for their fourth consecutive win. At plus-11.6 points per game, the Raptors also have the NBA's best point differential, and while blowing out the Sixers isn't much of an accomplishment, Toronto started the weekend with an impressive 103-84 win over the Washington Wizards. Though it's far too early to start booking travel north of the border for the late spring in anticipation of a deep Raptors playoff run, you might want to get your passport just in case.
• Whether Lakers fans would get free tacos (they did) wasn't the only reason to stay tuned to the closing moments of the Lakers' opening win Sunday night, a 107-92 victory over theCharlotte Hornets.
i

<center style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background: transparent;">
Biyombo
</center>

Down 17 with 2:41 left, Hornets coach Steve Clifford conceded by putting Bismack Biyombo and Gerald Henderson in the game. Biyombo had yet to play all season after losing his job as backup center to journeyman Jason Maxiell, while Henderson fell behind rookie P.J. Hairston in Clifford's rotation on Friday, getting a DNP-CD for the first time since his rookie season.It's reasonable to guess that both Biyombo and Henderson could become trade candidates. While it's hard to imagine much interest in Henderson's contract -- which has a season-plus remaining and pays him $6 million a year -- Biyombo could be an interesting buy-low candidate with his expiring contract. Though Biyombo is one of the league's worst offensive players, he is a premier rim protector who could help a team like the Cavaliers.
Link of the day: The D-League tipped off its 14th season Saturday, which meant the debut of former Grinnell College assistant David Arseneault Jr. as head coach of the Reno Bighorns, theSacramento Kings' affiliate. The Grinnell system yielded a 158-135 loss to the Idaho Stampede with a box score that must be seen to be believed.
 

hacheman@therx.com
Staff member
Joined
Jan 2, 2002
Messages
139,222
Tokens
POINTSPPG

Stephen
Curry
1. Stephen Curry, GS27.7
2. Kobe Bryant, LAL26.5
3. James Harden, HOU25.4
4. Blake Griffin, LAC24.5
5. Anthony Davis, NO24.4

<tbody style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background: transparent;">
</tbody>





REBOUNDSRPG

Anthony
Davis
1. Anthony Davis, NO12.8
2. Nikola Vucevic, ORL12.3
3. Andre Drummond, DET11.7
4. Dwight Howard, HOU11.5
5. Tim Duncan, SA11.3

<tbody>
</tbody>


BLOCKSBLKPG

Anthony
Davis
1. Anthony Davis, NO4.40
2. Roy Hibbert, IND3.71
3. Tim Duncan, SA2.25
4. Andrew Bogut, GS2.17
5. Pau Gasol, CHI2.14

<tbody>
</tbody>
 

Member
Handicapper
Joined
Oct 31, 2004
Messages
44,506
Tokens
A month ago I said ad was the 2nd best player in the NBA and was called an idiot for that comment.

I will stand behind my 2nd best player statement even though some people are saying he is better then Lebron
I'm not ready to say he is better then Lebron
But I do think he is better then KD or Antoine else.

And there is not a single player in the NBA (including Lebron) that New Orleans would trade ad for.
So I guess that makes ad the most valuable commodity in the NBA even if he is not yet the best player
 

New member
Joined
Oct 19, 2007
Messages
35,366
Tokens
A month ago I said ad was the 2nd best player in the NBA and was called an idiot for that comment.

I will stand behind my 2nd best player statement even though some people are saying he is better then Lebron
I'm not ready to say he is better then Lebron
But I do think he is better then KD or Antoine else.

And there is not a single player in the NBA (including Lebron) that New Orleans would trade ad for.
So I guess that makes ad the most valuable commodity in the NBA even if he is not yet the best player

Lmao! If the Cavs offered the Pelicans Lebron for Davis... they would make that trade before the phone call ended. That's a crazy statement.
 

Member
Handicapper
Joined
Oct 31, 2004
Messages
44,506
Tokens
Lmao! If the Cavs offered the Pelicans Lebron for Davis... they would make that trade before the phone call ended. That's a crazy statement.

I dont think they would.
I could be wrong.

Maybe ownership would consider it for all the wrong reasons.
But it would be a horrible basketball decision if they did.

That would almost be like the Colts trading Andrew Luck for Peyton Manning.


Maybe patsfan can come in here and tell me im wrong but I honestly believe New Orleans would not trade AD for Lebron.
 
Joined
Jan 24, 2012
Messages
6,748
Tokens
Lmao! If the Cavs offered the Pelicans Lebron for Davis... they would make that trade before the phone call ended. That's a crazy statement.

As a pure basketball move, it's a lot closer than you think. Lebron will be 30 before Davis' 22nd birthday. If you add in marketing, ticket sales, etc Lebron is on a different level.
 

Member
Handicapper
Joined
Oct 31, 2004
Messages
44,506
Tokens
As a pure basketball move, it's a lot closer than you think. Lebron will be 30 before Davis' 22nd birthday. If you add in marketing, ticket sales, etc Lebron is on a different level.

If its a pure basketball move there would be a 0% chance of New Orleans trading AD for Lebron. Zero, ziltch, nada.

As a marketing move, selling tickets etc..
There is a small chance the Pels would trade AD for Lebron because New Orleans does not fill the place up regularly.
But even considering that I still dont think they would do it because AD is becoming a draw in his own right.

And the fact that AK thinks they would is kinda funny.

He makes it sound like me saying they would not is the craziest thing he ever heard.
 

Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2001
Messages
16,015
Tokens
If u factored in age and asked me who would I rather have it would be Davis - even though he's not totally polished on offense yet there is no replacement for what he does defensively - wasn't this high on him until I watched him the other night against SA - and it's so hard to agree with Chop because he's so distorted
 
Joined
Jan 24, 2012
Messages
6,748
Tokens
If its a pure basketball move there would be a 0% chance of New Orleans trading AD for Lebron. Zero, ziltch, nada.

As a marketing move, selling tickets etc..
There is a small chance the Pels would trade AD for Lebron because New Orleans does not fill the place up regularly.
But even considering that I still dont think they would do it because AD is becoming a draw in his own right.

And the fact that AK thinks they would is kinda funny.

He makes it sound like me saying they would not is the craziest thing he ever heard.

Based on advanced stats, Anthony Davis is probably the best player in the NBA right now and he's only 21. As far as pure basketball decisions go, I doubt New Orleans would trade him for any other single player in the entire league.
 

New member
Joined
Oct 19, 2007
Messages
35,366
Tokens
As a pure basketball move, it's a lot closer than you think. Lebron will be 30 before Davis' 22nd birthday. If you add in marketing, ticket sales, etc Lebron is on a different level.

Lebron has a good 6-8 years left in him. And the marketing angle it would be an absolute no brainer. It wouldn't even be a debate... but first of all the Cavs would never offer Lebron for Davis.
 

Member
Handicapper
Joined
Oct 31, 2004
Messages
44,506
Tokens
If u factored in age and asked me who would I rather have it would be Davis - even though he's not totally polished on offense yet there is no replacement for what he does defensively - wasn't this high on him until I watched him the other night against SA - and it's so hard to agree with Chop because he's so distorted

Well if you disagree with me on this issue that means you agree with AK.
LOL
 

Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
4,245
Tokens
you dont trade a 22 with his entire career ahead of him for someone 30 who will soon be on the downside of his career unless your on the cusp and i mean CUSP of winning a couple titles. thats the only time you make a trade like that. felger n mazz were talking today about trading brady for luck, felger said yes, mazz said no bc he woudnt want to disrupt the patriots chemistry right now, i think he is out of his mind id trade brady for luck in a heartbeat. 10+ years of upside for what 2/3 years at most?

i dont follow hoops closely at all so i dont really know how good this kid is but people are already talking about him being a top3 player in the league, he is untouchable. you build around him and hope he stays when his contract is up
 

Member
Handicapper
Joined
Oct 31, 2004
Messages
44,506
Tokens
Lebron has a good 6-8 years left in him. And the marketing angle it would be an absolute no brainer. It wouldn't even be a debate... but first of all the Cavs would never offer Lebron for Davis.

And the Pels would never offer AD for Lebron even if they knew the Cavs would accept it.


Even though you are correct about the marketing thing.
It would not be worth it from a pure basketball perspective.
 
Joined
Jan 24, 2012
Messages
6,748
Tokens
Lebron has a good 6-8 years left in him. And the marketing angle it would be an absolute no brainer. It wouldn't even be a debate... but first of all the Cavs would never offer Lebron for Davis.

I disagree. I seriously doubt Lebron has 6 or more good years left. That puts him 36 years old. All you have to do is look at Kobe Bryant to see what happens at 36. Anthony Davis is 21. Aside from some sort of Sam Bowie like tragedy, the kid has 10+ years left as the best big man in basketball.
 

New member
Joined
Oct 19, 2007
Messages
35,366
Tokens
I dont think they would.
I could be wrong.

Maybe ownership would consider it for all the wrong reasons.
But it would be a horrible basketball decision if they did.

That would almost be like the Colts trading Andrew Luck for Peyton Manning.


Maybe patsfan can come in here and tell me im wrong but I honestly believe New Orleans would not trade AD for Lebron.

First of all, there is no trade offer that would ever get the Cavs to trade Lebron in the next 4-5 years. Second of all, in the absolutely hypothetical scenario that the Cavs called up the Pelicans to offer the trade, it wouldn't even be a debate. Lebron brings so much monetary value to a team it's crazy.
 

Member
Joined
Aug 20, 2007
Messages
12,082
Tokens
Davis is off to a great start this year. If he keeps playing like this he will be in the MVP & most improved player talks
 

Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2001
Messages
16,015
Tokens
Lebron's best basketball trait is his athletic ability and size - he does not rely entirely on talent like Dirk or TD - once he turns about 33 and slows down he's gonna drop off as fast as Shaq did - he doesnt have anything near 6-8 years of prime left - more like 2-3 - fuck, he lost 20 pounds in off season because he was already slowing
 

Member
Handicapper
Joined
Oct 31, 2004
Messages
44,506
Tokens
you dont trade a 22 with his entire career ahead of him for someone 30 who will soon be on the downside of his career unless your on the cusp and i mean CUSP of winning a couple titles. thats the only time you make a trade like that. felger n mazz were talking today about trading brady for luck, felger said yes, mazz said no bc he woudnt want to disrupt the patriots chemistry right now, i think he is out of his mind id trade brady for luck in a heartbeat. 10+ years of upside for what 2/3 years at most?

i dont follow hoops closely at all so i dont really know how good this kid is but people are already talking about him being a top3 player in the league, he is untouchable. you build around him and hope he stays when his contract is up


The Pats would trade brady for luck so fast it would not be funny.
They would even throw in a 1st round pick or 2 to sweeten the pot.
 

New member
Joined
Oct 19, 2007
Messages
35,366
Tokens
I disagree. I seriously doubt Lebron has 6 or more good years left. That puts him 36 years old. All you have to do is look at Kobe Bryant to see what happens at 36. Anthony Davis is 21. Aside from some sort of Sam Bowie like tragedy, the kid has 10+ years left as the best big man in basketball.

Lol, fine... 4-5 years. Even though Kobe is 2nd in the NBA in scoring right now. Davis has done absolutely nothing except put up decent numbers when he is not injured. Lebron is a proven winner. The fact this is even a debate is crazy.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
1,119,932
Messages
13,575,404
Members
100,883
Latest member
iniesta2025
The RX is the sports betting industry's leading information portal for bonuses, picks, and sportsbook reviews. Find the best deals offered by a sportsbook in your state and browse our free picks section.FacebookTwitterInstagramContact Usforum@therx.com