Ireland Votes to Approve Gay Marriage, Putting Country in Vanguard

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DUBLIN — Ireland became the first nation to approve same-sex marriage by a popular vote, sweeping aside the opposition of the Roman Catholic Church in a resounding victory Saturday for the gay rights movement and placing the country at the vanguard of social change.

With the final ballots counted, the vote was 62 percent in favor of legalizing same-sex marriage, and 38 percent opposed.
The turnout was large — more than 60 percent of the 3.2 million eligible voters cast ballots, and only one district out of 43 voted the measure down. Cheers broke out among the crowd of supporters who had gathered in the courtyard of Dublin Castle when Returning Officer Riona Ni Fhlanghaile announced around 7 p.m. that the ballot had passed, 1,201,607 votes to 734,300.

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</aside> Not long ago, the vote would have been unthinkable. Ireland decriminalized homosexuality only in 1993, the church dominates the education system, and abortion remains illegal except when a mother’s life is at risk. But the influence of the church has waned amid scandals in recent years, while attitudes, particularly among the young, have shifted.
 

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Canada, the US, Western Europe and Australia will all have gay marriage in the near future - it's just the way society is headed
 

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Michael Fitzpartick and Partick Fitzmichael.... one size fitz all
 

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It's cool to be gay in 2015. I don't get it.

The best thing I loved about one night stands as I am pretending to be an upstanding guy are " Are her nipples pink? What color bra is she wearing"? What type? What is size? Does she have hair down there? Does she give blowjobs? Is she wearing a thong? Does she want me to nut on her face?

I went out with one girl that loved facials. It was funny. I even laughed in front of her.
 

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Eh I don't really care one way or the other.

It's their lives.

If it is wrong & there is a higher power against it, then they will have to deal with it.

Although I don't feel it's anyone's fault to be homosexual.

I think you're clearly born that way & no way it's something you choose...
 
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Eh I don't really care one way or the other.

It's their lives.

If it is wrong & there is a higher power against it, then they will have to deal with it.

Although I don't feel it's anyone's fault to be homosexual.

I think you're clearly born that way & no way it's something you choose...

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Who would choose to be gay and have a life full of discrimination...
 
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Eh I don't really care one way or the other.

It's their lives.

If it is wrong & there is a higher power against it, then they will have to deal with it.

Although I don't feel it's anyone's fault to be homosexual.

I think you're clearly born that way & no way it's something you choose...

There are clearly people that change their orientation during their lifetime, this isn't opinion, it's what the science/evidence shows.

Here's a recent article from AARP that details the behavior, I can site many more:

http://www.aarp.org/home-family/sex-intimacy/info-2014/gay-lesbian-sexual-preference-schwartz.html


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Researchers are discovering that a person's sexual orientation is not carved in stone — Istock

En español | Sometimes a person's life undergoes such a radical transformation that the change was inconceivable before it occurred. One such gobsmacking event happens when you unexpectedly fall in love with someone who never would have pinged your "relationship radar" before. If a homosexual (or heterosexual) thought has never crossed your mind, for example, it can be doubly astonishing when —wham! — you suddenly find yourself attracted to someone of an entirely new gender.
That may sound unlikely, but as researchers are discovering, a person's sexual orientation is not carved in stone. In her influential book Sexual Fluidity, psychology professor Lisa M. Diamond chronicled her research on 80 nonheterosexual women over a period of 10 years. During that time, Diamond discovered, a significant number of the women had reported changing their sexual orientation. The most frequent cause for the U-turn? The "switchers" had fallen in love with a member of the opposite sex.



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These women were not unhappy being lesbians, but love, it seems, really can conquer all — including a person's lifelong sexual orientation up to the moment when she falls hard for someone of a previously ignored gender.
The research on men shows somewhat less flexibility. But Diamond and other researchers have compiled numerous case studies of gay men who spent years feeling (and acting) fully and comfortably homosexual, only then to fall unexpectedly in love with a heterosexual woman.
Recently, I interviewed two people who went through this sexual upheaval late in life themselves. Both said they had never even considered falling in love with someone of the same — or opposite — gender until they reached their 50s or 60s. Only at that relatively late stage in life did they undergo startling 180-degree turns in their sexual orientation. (While the facts of each case are accurate, I've used pseudonyms at the subjects' request.)
Violet — a tall, striking woman of 60 with snow-white hair — had never married, but she had enjoyed major love affairs with men. Intensely dedicated to her career, she became a TV executive at age 40. After her last relationship with a man ended in her 40s, Violet says she "gave up on love."



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Then she met Susan.
A marketing expert, Susan was in a pleasant but not passionate heterosexual marriage at the time. She valued her extended family — husband, two children and their spouses, and four grandchildren — more than anything else. Susan had never been unfaithful. She had never been attracted to another woman. But from the moment she and Violet began working together on a project, sparks flew, shocking both women. A physical relationship of 12 years ensued.
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There are clearly people that change their orientation during their lifetime, this isn't opinion, it's what the science/evidence shows.

I agree with FZ that people change over their lifetimes and that we always have choices about how we live our lives. I also agree with him that this is a very good thing
 

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There are clearly people that change their orientation during their lifetime, this isn't opinion, it's what the science/evidence shows.

Here's a recent article from AARP that details the behavior, I can site many more:

http://www.aarp.org/home-family/sex-intimacy/info-2014/gay-lesbian-sexual-preference-schwartz.html
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Of course ppl change over their lifetime.

But only in certain ways.

We are born as is.

A schizophrenic is born with it in his DNA.

A genious is born with is in his DNA.

A homosexual is born with it in his DNA.

There is absolutely nothing during anyone's childhood, as a boy for example, that can change him from playing baseball with his guy friends, to suddenly start acting feminine, dressing girly, talking like a girl all of a sudden, and now liking boys. It makes zero sense. He was born that way and most parents notice signs very, very early on.

Sorry that's just my belief...
 

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Of course ppl change over their lifetime.

But only in certain ways.

We are born as is.

A schizophrenic is born with it in his DNA.

A genious is born with is in his DNA.

A homosexual is born with it in his DNA.

There is absolutely nothing during anyone's childhood, as a boy for example, that can change him from playing baseball with his guy friends, to suddenly start acting feminine, dressing girly, talking like a girl all of a sudden, and now liking boys. It makes zero sense. He was born that way and most parents notice signs very, very early on.

Sorry that's just my belief...

I agree..
You're born gay or straight and it's not a choice for the most part.

The thing with sexuality though is, a majority of people are also born with in different degrees of bi-sexual tendencies. Some act on it out of curiosity or other reasons, but they aren't really gay.
 

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No one chooses to be gay. FZ, can you find anything remotely attractive about a guy that would arouse you in any way? Im gonna guess no. I would say 90% of the people who are gay were born gay and have attraction to the same sex. Some because maybe they were molested or something idk. The other 10 % are just experimenting or in some cases just wanting to be different or gain attention. But even that seems to be a stretch because imo you can just have sex with a person of same sex and get aroused....unless you are gay.

Let me put it this way. Lets say there is a guy in a room. Lets call him AK. Now lets walk in a good looking male and have them both get naked and just stand there. If AK gets an erection then he is gay and attracted to the same sex. Can we agree on that? Now lets walk a a beautiful woman in the room and have them get naked. If AK is gay and attracted to males he will not get an erection for the woman. Now is AK choosing for his wiener to get hard for the male and not the female? No of course not because that's not possible. Its just the way he is wired. People don't choose to be gay.
 

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FZ - Why dont you for arguments sake choose to be gay for a day and go find a male to get naked with. Do you think you are going to be able to get hard and perform sexual acts? Answer that question please. Its a yes or no answer nothing more.
 
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FZ - Why dont you for arguments sake choose to be gay for a day and go find a male to get naked with. Do you think you are going to be able to get hard and perform sexual acts? Answer that question please. Its a yes or no answer nothing more.

You can blather all day along about your point of view, but the science doesn't jibe. Ann Heche said she never had a gay thought in her life until she met Ellen. Fact.

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You can blather all day along about your point of view, but the science doesn't jibe. Ann Heche said she never had a gay thought in her life until she met Ellen. Fact.

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Blather? I asked a simple question i knew you wouldn't answer.
 

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FZ - Why dont you for arguments sake choose to be gay for a day and go find a male to get naked with. Do you think you are going to be able to get hard and perform sexual acts? Answer that question please. Its a yes or no answer nothing more.
You can blather all day along about your point of view, but the science doesn't jibe.

So you're saying that according to science it is your choice that you get hard around another naked guy?
 

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You can blather all day along about your point of view, but the science doesn't jibe. Ann Heche said she never had a gay thought in her life until she met Ellen. Fact.

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LMAO youre argument is a paragraph of Anne Heche and Ellen DeGeneres? Anne looked across the room and saw a woman stating back at her worth millions of dollars. lol
 

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Lol. Dude is still using the Ann Heche example.

Zit is stuck in 50's and hasn't progressed at all. It is obvious gays are born that way....well, obvious to normal people.
 

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