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Backing the Outsiders - Why You Shouldn't

The odds compilers working for the bookmakers can determine the probability of the outcomes in a soccer match with great accuracy. Not very surprising, after all, as the odds compilers can name themselves professional sports experts thanks to their occupation.

Nevertheless, the odds offered by bookmakers do rarely represent the “correct” probability of the outcomes of a soccer match – even when then profit margin has been removed from the odds. E.g. if the two teams are offered at the same price, it does not necessarily mean that the probabilities of each side winning the game are equal. The usual reason for this is that the bookmakers take more factors into account than just the match probability estimation. Obviously, the bookmakers want to maximize their profits rather than the correctness of their probability estimations.

This phenomenon is usually referred to as an uneven distribution of the profit margin. As mentioned in this article, the bookmakers operate with an average profit margin of around 88%. I.e. in the long run, the bookmakers expect to return 88% of the stakes. However, Globetting’s statistics show that the profit margin is unevenly distributed on different outcomes. E.g. if you bet only on home wins in general, the profit margin is 90% (higher than the average value), while if you bet on away wins in general, the profit margin is just 85% (below than the average value). So, a very basic piece of betting advice would be to bet on home wins rather than away wins.

In recent years, many betting experts have claimed that so-called underdogs are vastly overpriced and that betting on such "long-shots" will secure a great return on your investment in the long run, provided that you have the necessary patience to wait for the surprising results to occur. Moreover, it is often said that betting on popular teams such as Manchester U, Real Madrid, Milan, Juventus, Bayern Münich etc. is the certain road to bankruptcy.

In fact, such statements are completely wrong.

What actually happens when you back the underdogs? Well these are the hard stats, based on Globetting's odds database containing results and bookmakers’ average odds for 40.000 soccer games from this and the previous three seasons.

Betting on away teams with an odd > 3.00 would have returned $0.82 for every $1 staked (21700 games).

Betting on away teams with an odd > 5.00 would have returned $0.76 for every $1 staked (7000 games)

Betting on away teams with an odd > 7.00 would have returned $0.70 for every $1 staked (2400 games

As mentioned above, you would expect to get back 88% of your stakes when betting on random selections. As the above stats show, the average return when betting blindly on outsider teams is considerably less – e.g. 70% for odds above 7.00 and as little as 55% for odds above 10. The general rule is that as the price increases so does the bookie’s profit margin.

Now let’s look at another odds interval – the home favourites:

Betting on home teams with an odd < 1.50 would have returned $0.94 for every $1 staked (5100 games).

Betting on home teams with an odd < 1.40 would have returned $0.95 for every $1 staked (3000 games).

Betting on home teams with an odd < 1.30 would have returned $0.97 for every $1 staked (1500 games).

These numbers show that the bookmakers have only got a slight advantage over the punters when taking bets on favourites. E.g. if you bet on home wins at odds lower than 1.30, you will get as much as 97% of your total stake back (compare to the average return of 88%). In fact, if you bet only on huge favourites offered at less than 1.20, the bookmaker’s profit margin has almost been eliminated. I.e. you can bet blindly on all such teams without losing money.

The stats also confirm the statement that the bookies’ advantage gradually decreases as the odds get lower.

The third and last odds interval to look at is the short-priced away wins:

Betting on away teams with an odd < 2.00 would have returned $0.98 for every $1 staked (2300 games).

Betting on away teams with an odd < 1.80 would have returned $0.99 for every $1 staked (1300 games).

Betting on away teams with an odd < 1.60 would have returned $1.06 for every $1 staked (550 games).

The returns here are interesting. Betting on odds lower than evens will return 98% of your stake, while you will get 99% back when betting on teams available at less than 1.80. Betting on teams offered at less than 1.60 will give you a 6% advantage over the bookies.

Bottom line is that it is actually possible to beat the bookies by betting blindly on all matches that fit into a certain odds interval. The recent stats show that short priced away wins, generally, are the best betting options for the punters. Simply back any away team priced at odds of no more than 1.60 – 1.65 and you will most likely make a small profit when the season is over.

It is important to stress than all the above statistics are based on the average odds offered by the bookies. With more than 100 online bookmakers offering fixed odds markets plus a growing number of betting exchanges, it will always be possible to find odds that are better than the market’s average odds. For most short-priced away wins, you will be able to get at least 5% higher odds by choosing the best bookmaker in the particular situation.

This information combined with the punter's own knowledge provides a great opportunity to make money from soccer betting.



While globbeting is mostly a droll site, i do see some sense in this analysis. I would of course have to do my own odds analysis, but as i am still a novice in terms of databases (and it's high time i mastered and used one) i haven't done so yet. In essence the article claims two things, high odd underdogs are underpriced, which is obvious as the bookmaker profit is disproportionaly higher there, and that away favourites are overpriced, presumably to cater for the punters' bias towards home teams winning, in other words the punters by and large overstimate the positive influnce of home fields and crowds, and moreso when the away team is a low odd favourite. What is interesting though is, according to the claims made here, that these low odd away favourites are not just overpriced, but offer also a profit margin for the player too.

What does everybody think of this article? Any of you guys can run this through your results database and get a similar outcome with the writer of the article?

[This message was edited by JackDee on June 06, 2004 at 10:05 AM.]
 

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It is all true and to make it even more laughable most books here in Asia think exactly the opposite and adjust their prices in such a way that favourites become even more attractive. No surprise to me that many have gone under recently. It really interests me to see what the Euro finals will offer!
 

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First this appeared here: http://www.football-data.co.uk/, not sure if globetting just copied it.

Anyway, the correct observation is that the bulk of the overround is hidden on the underdog, so in the long (infinite) run betting blindly on the favourite you'll get close to break even and with appropriate line shopping you will break even or even generate a small profit.

The interesting thing that even with the most respectable online resources on the matter, like Football Data you will hardly find something about such pillar notions like fair odds, edge (in %), estimation, estimation tools. All they do is to try to reverse-engineer the linesmaker.

To make it short, there's no relation between where the most of the OVERROUND lays and the correct ESTIMATION of a game. From what I've seen I can say that in terms of the estimation there's a pricing bias towards the underdog, in fact I see from my plays of 1 year till now that I have around 60% of the plays on the plus side of the handicap (I only play asian handicap). I must recognize that there's shouldn't be such a bias and that probably my system is prone to fail to identify all the value on the favourites, I don't know why for the moment. But the main point is that such articles are completely useless for someone who is able to estimate even a little bit where the fair odds are on each individual game.
 

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http://www.football-data.co.uk/
I compare the results of his database with mine to check my secretaries! Mistakes on both sides. Most interesting of all is that when he does not know a half-time score, he just puts in 0-0. I know for sure that there are guys out there that blindly do analyses on this type of stuff.
 

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yeah, i got my stats and odds from this guy too.

acw, to what percentage are these correct, say about 95%?

matahari, i ll get back to you on the issue when i get the time, thanks for the reply btw.
 

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Jack,

The final results are not too bad, 98% correct.
I do not check the HT anymore.
 

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Yesterday we had a classical example of where the public thinks that there is an edge betting on the outsider/home team (and they proved to be wrong again):
http://web.macauslot.com/soccer/html/odds_chart/f33770.jpg

It is TP-47 (no. 10 in the competition) playing at home against Alliansi (no. 2). This match opened Allianssi -1/2 and even went to no handicap, which was a bit too generous for me.
 

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acw,

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Yesterday we had a classical example of where the public thinks that there is an edge betting on the outsider/home team (and they proved to be wrong again):
http://web.macauslot.com/soccer/html/odds_chart/f33770.jpg

It is TP-47 (no. 10 in the competition) playing at home against Alliansi (no. 2). This match opened Allianssi -1/2 and even went to no handicap, which was a bit too generous for me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What were your percentages for that game ?
If you don't want to tell, I understand.
 

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What were your percentages for that game ?
Allianssi 48%
Draw 28%
TP-47 24%

If you don't want to tell, I understand.
My pleasure!
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> What were your percentages for that game ?
Allianssi 48%
Draw 28%
TP-47 24%

If you don't want to tell, I understand.
My pleasure! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, so at no handicap it looks like 20% advantage. A question: do you normally bet when you have an advantage bigger than a certain value (say 10%) or would you bet with any advantage, even 2% for instance ?

Also by the percentages for this particular game I assume you give a big weight to the recent (10 games or so) results ?
 

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Ok, so at no handicap it looks like 20% advantage.
Not really true with a quote of 1.8, it is .8*48-.24= 14.4%.

do you normally bet when you have an advantage bigger than a certain value (say 10%) or would you bet with any advantage, even 2% for instance ?
I got these advantages kind of accurate these days. Be aware that market prices/moves are incorporated into the system. Yes, sometimes I do bet on matches where I only have a 2% edge. Depending on my mood I bet on those. My local here always asks me if it is what he calls a 1, 2 or 3 star bet.

Also by the percentages for this particular game I assume you give a big weight to the recent (10 games or so) results ?
No, realistically spoken no matter how you would have put your recent weight factors; TP-47 just based on its results should indeed have been favourite!
On the Finnish games I just started making use of subjective input. I have a girl in Helsinki that works for me. This Finnish match was indeed a big celebration for us, as we clearly noticed that the money coming in on TP-47 was from guys that only use the past results to find edges, which does work, but then you will not find accurate 14% advantages these days anymore. Just too many so called sharps.
 

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after running some 5,000 results from this past season over my (novice and crude) database i can verify that these guys, the authors of this article are talking sense, try running it by your own and you ll see what i mean, it seems that i have been wrong and that the public does overestimate the home advantage extremely, i ve even run it by my own results, and, shit, i am hitting around 85% on away favs equal to or below 1.8 odds, unbeknownst to me. (of course i don't know how my knowledge of this advantage will bias my selections to come, but in terms of unbiased meta-analysis it does it's job) I still owe a reply to matahari, but i ve buried myself so deep into analysing this angle, and what with the demise of my cat i ve not found the time to post, well at least this job keeps me from any morbid thoughts, anyway, these guys are right in terms of the high odds too, i wish i had the time and expertise to compare different leagues wrt this relative advantage, but suffice to say that so far i ve gathered that international competions and in league home field bias is actually surprisingly similar (you d think that with the different nations, miles travelled, home fans etc. the bias would be different than that in a home league, but not, it seems that home field advantage blindly and equally sways the punters no matter if real madrid are facing real murthia or some russian team away...)
 

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acw,

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Ok, so at no handicap it looks like 20% advantage.
Not really true with a quote of 1.8, it is .8*48-.24= 14.4%. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why 14% ?
Alliansi 0 = (1-0.28)/0.48 = 1.5
1.8/1.5 = 1.2
Is draw at 28% or 24% ??
 

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Sorry acw, but I can't see where your formulas are coming from. Anyone else with an explanation ?
 

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Yesterday we had a real beauty:
http://web.macauslot.com/soccer/html/odds_chart/f35539.html

Ballymena United vs Odense Opened up with William Hill as big as 1.80 on Odense to win the match and ended Odense -1.5 1.85 in Macau.
Odense won 7-0. Even the IRA did not scare them.

I wonder how big the home team advantage will be overestimated on this Portugal-Holland match. Anyone seen any lines?
 

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very similar to odds on display for port v eng game, port will just shade it. 13\8 port for starter's

1.925 port 1.975 holland,

something like that
 

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1.925 port 1.975 holland
If they really price it up like this, then I will be betting on my home team!
 

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Most books (3-way) have Portugal as slight favourites.

Bet365 have Holland priced at 2.00 to qualify for the final.
 

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1.85 port is top's out their i think, but it will close at 1.90 or 1.925 i think...........
 

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