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Since the other thread was getting too long, I thought this article by Roberto deserved a separate thread..

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Watchdogs, a nightmare for arrogant operators

By Roberto Castiglioni
www.theoffshorewire.com

The most common criticism against watchdog Web sites is that information they provide is usually biased and based on their own agendas. Sometimes it’s biased because a sports book advertises with a specific site.

Players always expect to read more positive reviews about advertisers than non advertisers. This perception is not entirely false.

For instance, Sportsbookreview.com has always stressed the need of a strong corporate presence within the industry. That was until the owner of WWTS (one of SBR’s most important business relationships) canned its corporate structure and went back to a more archaic business structure.

Offshore Gamblers Digest is usually very picky on most books, yet did its part by ignoring the slow pays of its only sponsor when this occurred a few months ago.

The Offshore Wire has repeatedly been accused of reserving a special treatment to one of its sponsors, BCN Sports.

The list of commonly mentioned examples is endless. The bottom-line is that every site is subject to its owners and management beliefs, provided that no site operator has the disclosed ambition to be the sole owner of absolute truth.

The Rx.com stands up as an exception to this rule. Its popular posting forum has hosted concerns and warnings about the Web site’s advertisers in more than one occasion.

Rx.com founder Ken Weitzner’s detractors like to define this unusual behavior as “cyber extortionism.” But is this really the case or is it better to assess that The RX has shown a more “information oriented” approach instead?

We believe the latter is the right answer.

Eighteen months ago, a warning was raised against Bluegrass. This sports book was advertising on the RX and its owner was adamant in admitting to me during an interview that when the warning was raised he was indeed in a slow-pay mode.

As soon as Betpanam’s management openly asked Weitzner to LIE about their financial distress, the Rx.com pulled its banners.

When adverse information regarding a particular sports book surfaces, the news quickly flows through the “insider’s network.”

Web site owners are often confronted with the eternal dilemma of releasing information to the public. Sometimes they withhold it for a while in the attempt to support the efforts of a troubled company. This is also called the “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” syndrome.

The truth is, most if not all operations fear uncontrolled information or leaks. When this occurs, well-trained readers immediately read through the lines of sports books’ official statements in reply to leaks.

Lawsuits and threats to severe advertisement contracts are the most common threats watchdog Web sites have. Some sports books do effectively leverage on the latter.

Gambling 911 recently received threats of severing the ongoing advertisement contract because its Forum was hosting adverse information about one of their advertisers’ services. Christopher Costigan, the president of the Web site, candidly posted it in a thread.

Provided players are ultimately the sole responsible of their decision about which sports books they want to entertain relationships with, watchdog Web sites are an essential service to provide information based on which players will make their own decisions.

Watchdogs do not have the ambition to be totally unbiased. However, recent and past events prove they do strive to be as objective as possible regardless of their affiliation with a particular operation.

When a customer has a complaint about Olympic, Spiro himself calls the player most of the time and tries to understand what he can do to improve the quality of services he provides. Quite different behavior is reported about an operator out of Gibraltar, who seemingly doesn’t fear making threats in the attempt to silence information.

What industry operators must understand is that they will never improve their ventures by trying to buy or impose silence on watchdog sites. Rather, they should understand criticisms and be able to translate them into an improved quality of service.
 

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"Offshore Gamblers Digest is usually very picky on most books, yet did its part by ignoring the slow pays of its only sponsor when this occurred a few months ago". end quote





Beggars can't be choosers...how long before Royal pulls the plug at that hellhole...I hear Royal gets no signups from the dump...how long before Royal leaves that dump:icon_conf

I give Roberto credit he doesn't just call it one way...
 

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There's definitively a conflict of interest when you advertise a sportsbook and you need to mediate in behalf of a player. The key is to keep in mind the fact that there's a corelation between the traffic that visitors produce and the demand of advertising , which makes barely impossible to lean towards one side. I believe in most ocassion the rx has managed this situation accordingly, kudos!
 

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I hear Royal gets no signups from the dump
Because no one goes there... except for their three regular posters and 18 Butch ghosts who blab on back and forth about stupid crap.

:lolBIG:
 

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The RX FORUM


has earned the LARGEST respect over the years, and therefore that is why the reputation of ethical business practices are praised here, and those that are not ethical, or a business that changes its rules and communication without notice ....are reported as well.

It is the IMAGE of PROFESSIONALISM and the HIGH MARKS this FORUM has received from very large Media organizations as being productive and a strong journalistic arena for sports commentery.

Therefore those that are in fear of the comments on this forum or their reputation being tarnished MUST HAVE SOMETHING TO BE WORRIED ABOUT

Therefore as my Mother always said........You do not want to play with them anyways!!!

KEEP THIS FORUM STRONG with good process practice, and sound communication ........will make affiliated business to ACT IN ACCORDANCE

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If I was reading this on April 1st I guess it would be funny. Is there any part of this article that's even remotely factual? Is this a gag or what?

Offshore Gamblers Digest is usually very picky on most books
Yea Apex, BetPanAm, Royal. Is that suppose to be funny or just brown nose stuff?

If it was a gag, it was kind of funny. If it was meant as a serious piece then yeee-ooouch...!!

John,

I believe I typed in your post by mistake instead of quoting you but...

Perhaps it was a typo and Roberto meant to type in "slicky" instead of "picky", since the letter "l" is directly under the "p" on our keyboards? :icon_conf

THE SHRINK
 
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Don't see the point of bashing OGD. Fact is many people here lurk over there and it is a good forum IMO. RX is bigger obviously but it looks silly when mods put OGD down just cause there may be friction amongst the people who run these sites. Both sites have good points.
 

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This article deserved it's own thread??? Looks to me like a silly ass way to put the gay forum wars front and center other then the real issues. This is by far not Roberto's best work and he is capable of much better. I think I can speak for more then one poster who has been here for a while, these crap threads at BOTH sites including OGD are dumb as hell. Probably why I lurk far less at both sites

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John,

I believe I typed in your post by mistake instead of quoting you but...

Perhaps it was a typo and Roberto meant to type in "slicky" instead of "picky", since the letter "l" is directly under the "p" on our keyboards? :icon_conf

THE SHRINK

Still waiting to be stiffed by an OGD book and not get my money back; have always been paid. In the case of the RX I was stiffed by New Age Bets and never got paid. They might feature questionable books, but they do make sure that players get paid and that is the bottom line for most players.
 

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I must admit I am puzzled by some of the comments to the article. Somehow a simple sentence has generated a whole case. This was neither the intention nor the scope of the article, which happens to be focused on the relationship that Sports Books have with Watchdogs and vice versa.

The different, and somehow unexpected, perception of this piece however allows lurkers and readers in general to have a better understanding of what is the "darker" side of this forum business.

I know it will never be possible to see everyone getting along, yet respect for different opinions should be taken for granted. However this is way far from being the case, at least according to posted reactions.

Now, lets imagine if posters and mods from theRX , who are being attacked on hourly basis, would react the same way OGD guys have. Lets just imagine how boring forums would become if they would just focus on reactions to other forums posts.

OGD has recently acquired a legendary and to some extent entertaining poster who has been posting obscene and distasteful messages solely related to his personal agenda and beef against the founder of another forum. Is this what forums shall be ?

As I said, no offense meant to anyone with this article, yet I'm glad it has given me the opportunity to highlight some of the things that indeed scare readers, lurkers and posters away from a place. Hate is not good for foundations.

Peace.
 

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As I have stated for years, there is something positive and good to be learned at EVERY posting forum.

That is precisely why as one that ACTUALLY plays offshore, I make a point to try and visit as many and all gambling forums on a daily basis as possible.

I could care less if a a particular site has 98% garbage that I do not want to read, the other 2% can be very valuable information to me as a player or a way to help other players.

It absolutely kills me when offshore gamblers and/or offshore watchdogs make a comment such as "I havent visited that forum in months and have never have plans to do so again".

A comment like this immediately signals to me that they are a rank amatuer in terms of learning about the offshore world........be it either for gambling or one that is really trying to assist other players.

The day that I refuse to visit a particular gambling forum will be the day I never gamble again.


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A comment like this immediately signals to me that they are a rank amatuer in terms of learning about the offshore world
Or that they choose not to waste their time wading through the 98% garbage content to find the 2% that is useful, which could most likely be found on another forum anyway. Or to be subjected to slander and personal attacks from forum shills and attack dogs for posting opinions which may be unpopular.
 

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