INFO. AND INSIGHTS ON HAWAII! (continuous up to kickoff)

[Co-Captain]

Aloha Gang. Well, I started a thread like this before the Alabama /Hawaii game in hope of sharing present time information regarding the Hawaii Warriors team. Also to share insights and opinions with other cappers and posters on this game. This is being done by me, in hopes of giving back to this forum what it has given to me, and that is information which help me in making the best decisions regarding a game.

However, because of the busy holiday season as well as the abundance of games to try and cap in the NFL, NBA, College Bowls, and College Hoops, I have not been able at any earlier time to speak with several players who I personally know. But as soon as I have a chance to do this, I will share what I know. So please except my apologies for this delay.

So far I have just gotten updated by the news media that several players on the team have gotten sick. One of them being DL Issak Sapoaga, it is unknown how many and who else is sick at this time. But several players are sick.

Also, I learned that several Hawaii players will miss this game due to academic ineligibility, but as far as who those players are, Coach Jones is not and I think cannot release them at this time.

Bigger news on Hawaii is that All WAC Def End Travis Laboy may possibly miss this game. It is not known at this time if it is due to school or personal reasons. Jones could only comment that he may miss the game, but would not state for sure. Coach Jones did though comment on the fact that they are preparing like he is not going to play, and that someone else will just need to step in a take over. This is due mainly to Laboy's absent from practices, but you need to stay tune to find out for sure if he will play or not. Right now his status is he may not play in the game.

Thats is it so far gang. I hopefully will have more info. to share with you later. I also welcome any other Hawaii Cappers to feel free to provide updates on Hawaii if known.

Lastly, the weather is currently holding at a freezing 12 degrees and the snow hasn't stopped coming down since last month, so the weather might affect the over/under in this game, so be careful.

Just alittle stupid humor fuel on by the last remains of my Heineken buzz. Dont worry , its not snowing. Really its not. Right now the weather is sunny , yet cool, and it seems it will continue on throughout the week.

As for Houston, in interviews , QB Kolb has admitted to being overwhelmed by just being in Hawaii, but said that they will just have to get their focus back for this game. WR Middleton made comments on the fact that they have to come out and play really aggressively as this is Hawaii's home turf and fans.

Thats it for now, and again check back later for more updates. Aloha Co-Captain.

[This message was edited by Co-Captain on December 23, 2003 at 10:58 PM.]

 

[Co-Captain]

Houstons Coach Briles when asked by reporter how he feels his team will do in this game, respond by saying that we are just happy to be here and hope to put on an entertaining show for people.

That comment about just being happy to be here, got me to wonder if he is just satified to have accomplished getting to a bowl game. If so, I was thinking maybe he has already accomplished his goals, and that a victory or loss in this bowl really wont do anything to take away from that. I wonder how motivated this coach is in this game.

In news article from one of the Houston papers, Coach Briles when asked what he is doing to prepare for this game against Hawaii, responded by saying that they are not going to change anything they do for this game. He also stated that his team is playing better ball than before and that they took a break from football for awhile, as he stated that if they dont know what to do now then they are not a very good team. Lastly he said that the extra practice time will be spent working with everyone, including the new and that they will be just trying to polish some areas up.

What I found to be unusual, was the fact that he has made no comments in regards to Hawaii and his teams need to get ready to play a good football team. Or something along the lines of praising the other teams , as most Coach do when asked about how they feel about their opponent or about the game they will be playing. I seen most Coaches take the humble road and dont miss an opportunity to praise their opponent in some way. This done for many reasons. But I cant recall any Coach saying very little or even not saying anything about their opponent they will be facing.

I dont know, but it got me thinking that maybe this Coach like I mentioned earlier with his comment about just being happy to be here, is truely all that really matters to him. Especially because he accomplished something no had done for awhile at Houston. Or maybe, this Coach is alittle to over-confident and is taking this game and Hawaii lightly. I wonder if he is thinking that his team should of went to a bigger better bowl. Or maybe this Coach being a rookie in Bowl games is just plain inexperience, which could relate to inadequate preparations for this game.

On the other side of this, Coach Jones, in my opinion based on his news interview, seemed to be pissed off. But that may just be because the reporters kept hounding him to give them names or more of an answer to Laboys status for the game , instead of saying that he may not play. Yeah , that was probably it.

Either way, I know for a fact that Coach Jones will be prepared for Houston. This game, I know he feels its a must win game, for many reasons. But I will not go into that at this time.

Anyone please share your take on Coach Briles and what I posted on him, or whatevers pertaining to this game. Remember, this is a Christmas Day game, and we wont want to be losers on that day if we can help it, right. I cant think of anything worst than losing a game which leads to you having a fvcked up X-Mas.

 

[ppeter]

Laboy is going to be out. He tried cramming to pass finals, but he thinks he failed since he did not go to class much this semester. He stopped going to practice as his college career is effectively over. He is also helping out at the family christmas tree business at the corner of Ward and Kapiolani.

Owens and Sopoanga are also "iffy" if they passed finals. The flu thing is kind of a ruse...what they were really doing waas cramming for finals.

 

[gobucks]

Great Therad...thank you to our Hawaii experts! I really want to pull the trigger on the Bows, so I will be interested to hear about possible no-shows. Owens is my biggest concern. I think he adds a lot to that already potent offense. The Houston boys aren't afraid to give up a point or two and the Bows should oblige them...aloha!

 

[ppeter]

I love Houston and over. Laboy is the heart and soul of the defense. They only have one decent db. Without any meaningful pass rush, Houston will throw for 400 yards here.

Also, Jones is trying to build up Timmy Chang's confidence (again) and says he will give Timmy plenty of playing time. My guess is Timmy regroups for this one against a very soft Houston secondary. Nevertheless, Houston will score at will against the BOWS (forget the "warriors" b.s.)

 

[Co-Captain]

ppeter, warriors b.s., what are you referring to. What b.s.? Is there something that you read or heard that is being said or written that is falsely being spread around. Please explain what you mean. Thanks .

 

[ppeter]

You misunderstand me. It is just that I am "old school" and never liked the name switch. The switch from Rainbows to Warriors was nothing but a dollar-driven by-product of June Jones' and Leigh Steinberg's marketing machine. That way, all of us fans have to buy tons of new merchandise because all of our old "Rainbow" stuff is made obsolete. The university didn't mind either as they get a cut of the merchandise sales

 

[ppeter]

Hawaii could be
without 3 All-WAC
players in bowl
LaBoy, Sopoaga and Owens
might have to sit out the
Christmas Day game against Houston

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By Dave Reardon
dreardon@starbulletin.com
Hawaii coach June Jones left the door slightly ajar yesterday for senior defensive end Travis LaBoy to return to the team, suit up and possibly play in the Sheraton Hawaii Bowl on Thursday. But Jones and the Warriors (8-5) assume they will take the field against Houston (7-5) without their most valuable player and the Western Athletic Conference defensive player of the year after he missed two weekend practices without contacting anyone.

Two other All-WAC performers could miss the game because of illness, Jones said. Defensive tackle Isaac Sopoaga and receiver Chad Owens have been stricken with flu symptoms and did not practice. Both missed several practices last week due to injury, illness and working on wrapping up semester coursework.

"We're gonna count on not going with both of them," Jones said of Sopoaga and Owens.

But yesterday afternoon defensive line coach Vantz Singletary said Sopoaga is feeling better and would likely practice today.

"He's ready to rock and roll. He'll be at meetings tonight and practice tomorrow. He's getting over his illness, getting some Samoan treatments. He was throwing back up what our trainers gave him," Singletary said. "He had to take two exams (last week) with a 103-degree temperature, but I think he came through."

As for LaBoy, even Singletary -- an eternal optimist and one of LaBoy's staunchest supporters -- said it's time for the team to move on.

"I don't think so," Singletary said when asked if he thought LaBoy might return. "I've got to get the other guys ready. Even if he comes, he's not going to be full tilt. If you've got guys who've been watching tape on you and preparing for you while you haven't been practicing, that makes it hard to be productive.

"We can get what we need from Mel Purcell, Kevin Jackson, Tony Akpan and Ikaika Alama-Francis," Singletary continued. "I'm building my new Travis LaBoy, those guys by committee. And I know Houston Ala will be there on the other side for 60 minutes. They've had an outstanding week of practice."

Jones said there's no way LaBoy would start if he returned, but he would consider putting him in uniform and letting him play.

"As of right now, I'm not counting on him," Jones said after yesterday's practice at Saint Louis School. "On the 23rd we'll find out for sure. He'll dress out (if he qualifies academically and practices) and he might play, but he won't start."

Tomorrow is the day players' grades will be officially posted, and it will be known then if LaBoy is academically eligible.

Either way, Jones said he has not spoken with LaBoy since Friday and that makes him believe LaBoy is not interested in playing Thursday.

LaBoy did not return phone calls from the Star-Bulletin.

Singletary, whom LaBoy has said he considers "a second father," has also had no contact.

"We're all still trying to figure it out. He's got my numbers and he knows my e-mail. I check those every day. No answer. I'm not going to run him down. Too many other guys need attention and help. I haven't lost any sleep because I'm really excited about the guys who really want to be here," Singletary said. "Even if he came back it wouldn't be fair to start him in that position knowing he didn't work hard, show up for meetings, in the weight room. All the little things."

Punter Kurt Milne and special teams player Justin Faimeialelei also have the flu, Jones said.

Finals week ended Friday, and Jones had allowed players, including LaBoy, to miss practice to try to make up schoolwork and become eligible for Thursday's game.

Also, junior running back West Keli'ikipi is out, as he reinjured his left knee last week after being cleared to practice after arthroscopic surgery last month.

Sophomore long-snapper T.J. Moe has a broken bone in his right hand, but said he will play Thursday.

Several Hawaii players said the Warriors can win without LaBoy and any other sidelined Warriors.

"It's just one of those things where we've just got to leave it behind and don't even dwell on it," senior safety and defensive captain Hyrum Peters said. "It's sad and kind of bad for us as a team and a defense, if we lose two of our best D-linemen. But we've still got guys who can play good. They've played well in the past. They played well whenever they played in the past."

Jones said at his first Hawaii Bowl press conference Saturday that "one or two" players would likely be ineligible due to the WAC's six-credit rule. Yesterday it was announced that Boise State lost six players for tomorrow's Fort Worth Bowl against Texas Christian.

Houston coach Art Briles said yesterday that Conference USA has a similar rule and the Cougars also lost players for the game, although he could not be specific about who they are or how many there are. He said he thinks it is a good rule.

"The players are all here to get a degree. It's kind of like the speed limit. They tell you what the law is and you abide by it," Briles said this morning before his team's Aloha Stadium practice. "That's the way we've always approached it. We'll suffer some consequences, too, like everybody else."

 

[ppeter]

LaBoy says he’s academically ineligible

Advertiser Staff

Travis LaBoy, the Western Athletic Conference Defensive Player of the Year, said today that he will be academically ineligible to play in the Sheraton Hawai'i Bowl.
UH will play the University of Houston on 3 p.m. Christmas Day.

The Western Athletic Conference, of which UH is a member, requires its football players to earn at least six credits — the equivalent of passing two classes — during the semester preceding a bowl game. The NCAA has jurisdiction on the matter, and failure to comply with the WAC rule could lead to NCAA sanctions.

A player must be enrolled in courses totaling a minimum of 12 credits each semester to qualify as a full-time student and receive a football scholarship. In short, LaBoy cannot fail more than half of his classes.

 

[ppeter]

What a complete fvcking dumbass thing to do. How can someone not even pass TWO classes? At UH? He could have taken PE, art, anything to get credit for two classes.

He better hope he stays healthy and gets drafted on the first day...although this sure is not going to help the NFL's perception of his intelligence, judgment, teamwork or even his work ethic.

 

[Co-Captain]

Laboy is a valuable asset to the team and does bring the big play making ability to the team, but he is also a distraction for team as well. I think he start to believe what the newspapers were saying about him. And we all know what happens when you start believing your the hype. He is a loner and not particularly a team player. I could never understand why it was that he wouldn't join us and the rest of the studs from last years as well as this years teams whenever we had some sort of get together. Well I guess thats his right to do.

Well, all I know is that he will be missed in this game surely, but I do not think that it will hurt or cause the Dline to be that much weaker. The Def line and WR is where Hawaii is the strongest and has the most depth. As long as the base of the D Line is in tact which is Sapoanga and Samuseva, we should still be solid. IMO.

[This message was edited by Co-Captain on December 22, 2003 at 11:17 PM.]

 

[Co-Captain]

ppeter, as far as the changing of the name from Rainbows to Warriors is concerned , I know of what you speak of. People still do the chant lets go Bows . Seems weird because it has officially been changed to Warriors. I guess no one came up with a catchy rhyme yet.

But the changing of the name from Rainbows to Warriors, needed to be done. And it was done for many reasons. But I think that the main reason was due to the Rainbow being a trademark or association with the gay/ lesbian community. The state didn't want any miss interpretations or misunderstandings or connection in anyway with that community as our state had rejected to not allow same sex marriages. So it had to be changed. But enough on that. Lets get back to talking about FB.

 

[Co-Captain]

Update, DL Isack Sapoanga and WR Chad Owens practiced today and Coach Jones has stated that they will both play in the game , but most likely will not start.

But again WAC DEF PLayer of the Year Travis LaBoy is not going to play in the Bowl game.

Coach Jones commented that it will not affect the team as we have many other capable guys to take his place. The same sentiments were made by other starters like DL Lance Samuseva and All Wac 1st team DB Hyrum Peters, that this wont affect the defensive as much as people are going to think it will. They also stated that there are many other guys who are hungry to step in to that spotlight and take over where Travis left off.

This loss of LaBoy was not affecting the teams confidence in anyway, in fact they are just hoping the best for LaBoy and his personal choices for his life. And that they cant let it be a concern, because he is an adult and so are they and they have business to do on Dec 25 with Houston.

 

[YPO]

Co-Capt...
Don't forget the probable loss of Keliikipi too...he is a BIG asset to the team...not only his he a bruising runner, he can also lay a block on lineman and blitzing linebackers... the defense may be able win without LaBoy, but the NEED Sapoanga..it takes two, and sometimes three guys to neutralize him..so that opens it up for guys like Laboy..I think Coach Jones will scheme something for LaBoys replacement, Mel Purcell, who is a great athlete too...but again, without Sapoanga, things can get ugly for Hawaii, especially in Chang is off and gets another case of "happy feet"...i always want Hawaii to win, but when it comes to cash, i use my brain instead of my heart..
Mele Kalikimaka to all da braddahs...

 

[Co-Captain]

YPO, I updated the information above about the confirmation that Issac Sapoanga and Chad Owens will play in the game. They both were at practice today and Jones confirmed that they will play in the game.

Still though as I have stated many times and as it has been proven many times, when it comes to the DL and WR positions Hawaii is loaded with talent. When one goes down, someone just as capable is ready to step in. Houston Ala is having a very decent year and has several sacks on the year. Also Abu Maafala is another Dlineman who has stepped up and shown his worth. He played and contributed as a Freshmen. I agree with you about Sapoanga being a big value because he demands double and sometimes triple team, as do Lance Samuseva. This opens up and frees up the other guys with more speed to do the sacking and blitzing.

What many people have to remember is that this is still a team sport and one man does not make or break a team. LaBoy and Owens brings the big play potential, but if they cant play, someone else is ready to step in an carry the load. Especially in these two positions, DL and WR. Here is an example, Hawaii has 6 Wr with over 30 receptions and 4 with over 400 yards receiving. Do you know how rare that is for any team to have some much players who have contributed this much. Most teams are lucky if the have one go to guy. Hawaii has many, in fact I think that every receiver in their stable has either caught a pass or a pass for a TD. Thats is incredible distribution of the football.

Anyway, as far as using your brain and not your heart when you select whether to back Hawaii or its opponent, just be careful YPO that you do not simply back Hawaii's opponent just because you feel that it reflects that you are using your brain. Don't get confused or misunderstand this , as you may miss the hidden intangibles which may make Hawaii the right call and vice versa.

For me, as I explained to some of the other cappers here. I try to be as professional as I can when capping a Hawaii game. But, I also feel that it is my personal knowledge, experience, and feelings which majority of the time is a valuable strength an asset to have when chosing who to back. I put it this way, in another bowl game which you will bet on, you basically do not have any real, close , personal knowledge or insight in the teams you are wagering on . All you are relying on is information that someone else provided to you, ex from the internet , TV, newspaper. This is something that yes you will need, but what you will lack from these teams are the intangible things like motivation , feelings, personal stuff. Living and growing up here in Hawaii, you have the ability to understand , feeling, and assume with a high degree of accurracy what the players are feeling or not feeling. This personal feelings , no stat sheet or news article can relay. And that makes all assumptions, feeings , etc. just guesses. So dont be so fast to jump off of or away from your strenght and ingrained abilities to have realationships with someone from Hawaii, as this will just cause you to miss something.

Lastly, sports betting as with alot of things in life that deals with cash , does not necessarily provide you with any gurantees on making cash back. Sometimes it does take your feeling whether it is from a gut feeling or a personal emotional feeling, or feelings from inside that will make you money. The brain does not guarantee you success in any way just because you say you want to use it. Sometimes it takes more than using your brain , it takes using your head and your heart to come up with the best decision. Nothing is so cut and dry as you are trying to make it seem.

Ok YPo thanks for your contribution to this thread , I appreciate you posting here. Aloha CC

 

[Co-Captain]

btw , if rb keliikipi cannot play, this wont be a hamper to the Off in any way. Mike Bass has been effectively running and pass blocking for chang.

Keliikepi's size and speed ,I feel causes the Off to slow alittle , and this is not what Jones wants his Off to get into.

 

[ppeter]

UH (the Univ of Hawaii) is going to get their asses handed to them. The public is not very interested in this game as ticket sales are really lagging. They are going to have to start giving them away, IMO.

It is all about the Benjies. Houston and Over cashes.

After Jones calls for an unsuccessful fake punt on 4th and 20 on his own 10 yard line, and after Chang throws his second int for the game, and after Jones gives Ah Yat yet ANOTHER chance to miss a field goal to appease the Kam School Alumnis, the final will be: Houston 42, Hawaii 37.

 

[YPO]

ppeter....

i agree with you...Hawaii will have a difficult time stopping Houston. This may be an over..
Co-Captian....i've been a season ticket holder for 20 years and i've seen this Hawaii program grow...i've personally known players that have been on the team and some still have their inside connections... as i stated earlier, i would like for Hawaii to win every game, but sometimes we need to use our brains instead of always using our hearts....i don't know much about the Houston team, but i know Hawaii's tendencies andwill use that....so i think i may have to pass on this game...
Mahalo...and good luck

 

[Co-Captain]

YPO, being a season holder does not mean anything as far as being able to cap a game out completely. Also, as far as having close ties with someone on the team. My question to that is who doesnt know someone on the team. We live in Hawaii and everyone knows everyone. Last year, I use to see the players like Chris Brown, Lance Samuseva, Matt Wright, Shane Kajioki, Lui Fuga, Vince Manuwai, etc on a weekly basis. I worked out with Chris Brown and had beers with all these guys out on the town. My father even coached some of these guys. We had many times where I share jokes , conversations, and insights to the game they just played. Most times after a home game I would get together with the local boys and kick back and rap about the game or whatevers. To this day I still do that. I am not as young as they are , but I am not as old as their fathers either. But I come from a family of athletes and Coaches in various sports backgrounds. One of my aunties is the massuer for the entire Wahine BBall team, and I still see players like Nani Cocket over at her house. I have also been an all star football player, yet I chose to attend school at a small NAIA school in Washington. My father have run football clinics with Cal Lee , and my uncle hangs with him on a semi regular basis at the St Louis Club House. So as far as my knowledge or insights or information regarding Hawaii, you can bet it is first hand and direct from the players mouths. I dont question anyone's sources , as far as Hawaii athletic program is concern and it is because I know that most everyone who lives here knows someone on the team or knows someone who knows someone on the team. But I can gaurantee that their is no one on here with as close a ties to players , coaches or alumni's who mean something. Several months ago I was having a few with Al Noga at my friend bar. And just two weeks ago, I was drinking and bar hoping with former UH player Eddie Kealoha's older brother. I use to also lift weights with Eddie about 4 years ago. At that time, LB Chris Brown was still a senior in HS at Damien. When I say that I know players or former players and Coaches, I mean very personally and not casually. Former LB Punahou Aina's older Brother is one of my best friends. I knew Punahou since he was 4 years old. About two weeks ago I was at their game against Damien for the Div 2 Championship. We had some brewski right outside gate 8 with other notable Hawaii players like Eddie Klaneski, Inoke Breckterfield who was a all -conference DE for Oregon St. I can go on and on, but I think I eliminated any doubt or curiosities.

YPO, you keep stating that you would like for Hawaii to win but sometimes, we need to use our brains instead of always using our hearts. First off, I didnt here anyone trying to make you bet on Hawaii. So why you keep stating this is a mystery to me. Second, the part about we need to use our brains instead of always using our hearts. It seems that you are trying to refer to me that it is what I am doing. Not sure, but if it is, then I have to correct you by stating that although my heart is with Hawaii, by no means am I not using professionalism when I cap the game out. Believe me, I am not new to this at all. I have alot more to learn and that is why I am here. But if your thinking that I am falling into that trap of betting with my heart cause I have been backing Hawaii on most of my plays, then just to inform you , I am well enough schooled to understand that wont work to my benefit as ones mind and judgement will be clouded by his emotions. This is not good because you will lack the ability to be objective and neutral in when comparing and contrasting information and knowledge on the teams. FYI , I was thought that was a way to failure back in the early 90's.

All these assumptions and guesses about what I am doing and why, is funny because it is coming from people who either think they all that or from those who dont know shit themselves. Just the other night I had to go throw this whole song and dance with ProphetablePicks.com because he made a statement about me always backing Hawai. This was following my realease of Hawaii ov NO in hoops. I suggest you go read my post in the college B-Ball forum. The title of my thread was Big Bailout or Double Your Profits Game. Go read what I explain to ProphetablePicks about why I play Hawaii. Its a good read and may offer you some valuable advise.

Next, no one is questioning what you know and Why. So I don't see why you need to try to convince me. Oh yeah, getting back to that using your head and not your heart to bet. Well, if you read my threads on Hawaii for FB and BB, you will see that I back up what I am saying with detailed examples and knowledge , information, and insights. My writeups are sometimes longer in length than other cappers like Six Sense whose Thread is kinda long when he has many games to cap. I noticed that none of your selections have any info or facts or valid reasonings to why others should follow your play. In fact , I think that we both had a GOY on the game between Hawaii vs. Alabama. If I am not mistaken, you had Alabama as your GOY. There was no infor , valid reasoning , or facts to back up your selection. Nothing. As for mine , you have my complete writeup explaining to others why it is I back my play. I also go on to state examples, and give a list of intangible and other factors which affected my choice for a play. I am not afraid to back my selection with infor and my own insight or opinions. Any fool can put a game down on paper, and then act like they all that. But I think you are more legitamite when you back your plays with valid points or reasonings, and not just take so and so as my game of the year. If you go back and calculate all my selections on Hawaii, you will see that I come out ahead of the game. Oh yeah, in the GOY where you took Alabama and I won with Hawai, just like how I called it and almost by the predicted score as well. I guess that your selection which was backed by no reasonings at all, was a loser. If so and mine was a Winner , how can you answer this happening. It was a Huge 10 Unit win for me. Please try an explain your theory of you bet with your head and I use my heart. Alabama got spanked by Hawaii, and almost by my call of DD. How can you explain your GOY losing so badly. It wasn't even close. That is embarrassing dont you think. I think that it is you who needs to learn how to not use your heart but instead your head when and if you cap a game. A selection on a piece of paper is just weak.


Look, I didnt start this thread to try russle up sort of argument or have you guys in here touting your selection or trying to discredit me. For one, none of you can do that, not here or anywhere. I back all my selections especially those on Hawaii with all my info and analysis for the world to see. When your able to do that instead of just stating something from the past or your own opinions from your own world, then we can critique eachother for the better. Right now you have nothing but opinions and past history to share, problem is we all know that already. Try being original or insightful somehow. Stimulate some thought process for yourself and others. Back up your selection or comments with hard facts and intelligent comments or observations.

I am seriously getting sick of people especially from Hawaii trying to challenge me, what I know. Hey, I am not here for that and my threads if your read it correctly are not the place for it. Dont try to challenge me, work with me. Come in with an open mind or dont come in at all. You also need to understand that you may be wrong or incorrect, but that wont get you upset or embarassed because you came with an open mind. An open mind is able to share, accept, to venture to areas where your once closed mind will not allow you to go. This will then lead to bias , unfair, irrational, and frankly stupid behaviors which reflects who and what you are like a bright light to everyone. If you guys want to work together to share and learn and grow with eachother, in hopes to be the best at this. Then let me know. If not, then I strongly suggest that you stay out of my threads and dont respond to my posts , and I will respect you and do the same. This shit of challenging me is getting riduculous and I dont have time for it. If anyone has a question or like to make a comment to me about me then I will welcome it, as long as it is to learn , understand, and grow and not to start any shit with me. Ok guys you let me know. I have nothing against you guys, but when you try to school me or challenge or try to discredit me, I wont stand for it. I try to give each his own due as much as possible and I expect the same.

This is like the fvckin third time I start some type of info thread on Hawaii and other Hawaii poster come in an try to convince me or argue their difference to the other side. What they fail to see is that I didn't even have a side chosen yet. If we disagree then we disagree on the side. If you trying to make a name for yourself by trying to wipe me out, please it will never happen. And the posters here will see right through you shit. Trust me on this.

For the last time, this is a thread to provide information on Hawaii as a way to help others on the mainland with information and knowledge which they may not have. This is not a thread for you to constantly tout your plays for this game over and over again. Go start another thread and do that. This is also, not a place to try and challenge Co-Captain for whatever your intentions are. You will just make an ass of yourself, like you have already done. Still, we can discuss things of differences and similarities. We are going to either work together when we agree and remain supportive of eachother when when we disagree, althewhile being supportive of eachother and allow each their due. I think it is simple to follow. You show me respect and I show you respect. Let me know if your in or not. Lastly , jelousy has no place here and if you are jelouse of me than dont come back here as I only want mature adult in my circle. Aloha Co-Captain . YPO , ppeter, WINNA let me know. Gl in your plays and Aloha again.

[This message was edited by Co-Captain on December 23, 2003 at 09:00 AM.]

 

[ppeter]

GL. As always, I hope the Bows win. Just not the cover. That is the nice thing about big spreads, you can be a happy (and richer) fan.