In 2002, Barack Obama Supported Infanticide and I've Got the Transcript of His Words

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In 2002, Barack Obama Supported Infanticide and I've Got the Transcript of His Words

Posted by: Erick Erickson
Thursday, August 21, 2008 at 11:08AM
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<!-- sphereit start -->Editorial Note: People forget this issue came up more than once in Illinois. In 2001, Obama was concerned about abortion rights and the impact the Born Alive Infant Protection Act would have on abortion rights. In 2002, those concerns were addressed and fixed in the legislation. Now Obama's concerns were more clear. His views on life had no where else to hide.
<HR>What has Barack Obama said about his opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act?
Obama has made several points, which we should recount.
First, Obama claimed doctors must render the care away. As David Freddosso has regularly pointed out, that was not true.
In fact, the Illinois Attorney General determined that doctors were under no such obligation when a child, born alive, had been intended to be aborted. Doctors only had the obligation to give life sustaining treatment when it was intended that the child be born alive.
Obama, then claimed his concern related to there being no language protecting Roe v. Wade in the legislation. He told the Chicago Tribune as much in October of 2004. In fact, that has been his story the whole time.

This week, the story changed. This week, NRLC proved conclusively that the legislation did, in fact, protect Roe v. Wade.
Obama has now changed his story yet again. Now he says that, regardless of whether the statute protected Roe v. Wade based on its language, "even as worded, the legislation could have undermined existing Illinois abortion law."
But what did Obama say back then? What was Obama's excuse back in 2002? What were his words on the floor of the State Senate. Senator Obama was the only person to speak out in opposition of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.
What did he say?
I've got the transcript. I've got Senator Obama's own words.
Here is what you need to know.
The legislation came up more than once. In 2001, Senator Obama was concerned about the legislation's impact on abortion. But when the bill came back in 2002, the issue about the law undermining abortion had been redressed.
In 2002, Senator Obama was not concerned about Roe v. Wade. He was not concerned with undermining abortion laws in Illinois. No, what Senator Obama today claims were his concerns were not his concerns back in 2002.
In 2002, Senator Obama stood on the floor of the Illinois State Senate to oppose the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. By this time, even the abortion rights organizations like Planned Parenthood had dropped their opposition. But Obama continued to oppose the law.

He was the only person to speak out against the legislation.
In an exchange with Senator O'Malley, the legislation's sponsor, Obama's concern was about second guessing the abortionist.
Here is what he said:
As I understand it, this puts the burden on the attending physician who has determined, since they were performing this procedure, that, in fact, this is a nonviable fetus; that if that fetus, or child - however way you want to describe it - is now outside the mother's womb and the doctor continues to think that it's nonviable but there's, let's say, movement or some indication that, in fact, they're not just coming out limp and dead, that, in fact, they would then have to call a second physician to monitor and check off and make sure that this is not a live child that could be saved.
SHORTER BARACK OBAMA: Let's trust the guy who just botched the abortion to determine whether or not he actually did botch the abortion.
That's it. If a baby comes out and is alive, Barack Obama thought it too damned burdensome to have another doctor, someone used to dealing with live babies, check to see if the baby was viable.
Don't believe me? Read the transcript here.
No one else spoke out against the legislation. Only Barack Obama was so concerned about the doctor performing the abortion, he did not think it worth having a doctor used to live babies coming in to see if the baby might live. Only Barack Obama
 

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Nobama can't even remember his own lies.
 

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Did you know? that citing BO's own words is gutter politics that we need to move beyond?
 

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So, he voted for abortion before he voted against it? Or is it the other way around? The man lies so damn much it's hard to keep track.
 
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So, he voted for abortion before he voted against it? Or is it the other way around? The man lies so damn much it's hard to keep track.

TexasFan,

That question is easy. The fact is that Obama has never voted against
anything that had the word "abortion" in it. Especially if it had
"partial-birth abortion" or "live birth abortion."
 

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Did you know? that citing BO's own words is gutter politics that we need to move beyond?
This issue should be all over the MSM. People need to know what kind of person BO really is. He is a radical leftist.
 

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TexasFan,

That question is easy. The fact is that Obama has never voted against
anything that had the word "abortion" in it. Especially if it had
"partial-birth abortion" or "live birth abortion."
But the left will argue that it is crazy to think he supports inaticide, but taken with his other positions on partial birth abortion or live birth abortion, the idea isn't crazy at all. Plus with quotes like this

“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”
 

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This issue should be all over the MSM. People need to know what kind of person BO really is. He is a radical leftist.

Can you imagine if Nobama picks Biden?
 

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The anti-abortion folks only dream that they could legally redefine any or all legal abortions as "infanticide". But posting this inaccurate legal definition in a Sports Handicapping forum I suppose is one way to vent.

Keep us up to date when you honestly become involved in redefining the current laws so that American women, their doctors and family members can all be arrested and imprisoned for terminating an unwanted pregnancy.
 

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The anti-abortion folks only dream that they could legally redefine any or all legal abortions as "infanticide". But posting this inaccurate legal definition in a Sports Handicapping forum I suppose is one way to vent.

Keep us up to date when you honestly become involved in redefining the current laws so that American women, their doctors and family members can all be arrested and imprisoned for terminating an unwanted pregnancy.


No problem Bardude, tell BO to get on a soapbox and tell America exactly how he feels about this position.

You know he won't because it will cost him the election.
 

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I think the point of this thread was to show what a liar Obama is.
 

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But the left will argue that it is crazy to think he supports inaticide, but taken with his other positions on partial birth abortion or live birth abortion, the idea isn't crazy at all. Plus with quotes like this

“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

Senator Obama wisely understands what most of us already know. An unwanted baby or an STD can be a crippling impediment to a healthy and successful future for not only teenage females, but also many others in her circle of family and friends.

Thank goodness that in The United States of America, a female who becomes pregnant can in most cases, run - not walk - to the nearest abortion clinic and get that embryo flushed out of her system ASAP and restore the odds of having a healthy and successful future.

Be back later, but I need to go put on some Sousa music really loud.
 

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The anti-abortion folks only dream that they could legally redefine any or all legal abortions as "infanticide". But posting this inaccurate legal definition in a Sports Handicapping forum I suppose is one way to vent.

Keep us up to date when you honestly become involved in redefining the current laws so that American women, their doctors and family members can all be arrested and imprisoned for terminating an unwanted pregnancy.
How could you possibly defend this?? Seriously, I want to know.
 

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Senator Obama only understands what's told to him.

Obama's opinions shift as much as California during an earthquake.
 

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No problem Bardude, tell BO to get on a soapbox and tell America exactly how he feels about this position.

You know he won't because it will cost him the election.

No need, because the position of supporting abortion rights is almost trite in 21st century America. Very few people are mustering up real life energy and effort into changing the laws so that women can be arrested and imprisoned for aborting an unwanted pregnancy.

I'm sure those interested in raking on Obama can get 'the word' out via their various internet chitchat forums and before you know it, why everyone will know that Obama does not support the arrest and imprisonment of American women who choose to abort a pregnancy.

GET TO WORK! You've reached 22 people here in the PoliticoPub. There's still another 220,999,978 American voters who need to be alerted!
 

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How can anybody defend a partial birth abortion? Seriously, please let us know.
 

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Senator Obama wisely understands what most of us already know. An unwanted baby or an STD can be a crippling impediment to a healthy and successful future for not only teenage females, but also many others in her circle of family and friends.

Thank goodness that in The United States of America, a female who becomes pregnant can in most cases, run - not walk - to the nearest abortion clinic and get that embryo flushed out of her system ASAP and restore the odds of having a healthy and successful future.

Be back later, but I need to go put on some Sousa music really loud.
You are a sick indivual. So using abortion as a form of birth control is good in your eyes??
 

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I think the point of this thread was to show what a liar Obama is.

no kidding? Then why waste a Fresh Thread....There's been 327 created on that same theme within just the past six months.
 

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no kidding? Then why waste a Fresh Thread....There's been 327 created on that same theme within just the past six months.

I'm just the messenger. :howdy:
 

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