Im sorry but the WSEX thread is a joke!

[slots]

To the guy trying to get on 40 dimes on Manu in 700 little bets:

Give me a break. There is NO large firm even here (London)(including WillHill,Ladbrokes, etc) who take even more than £10k over the net on EPL period. On todays Villa-Liverpool game Ladbrokes will take £6k max on net(and that's at even money!). So for WSEX who has posted limit of a small nickle per game you just thought you try to get on 40 dimes and not bother to call them to ask them if that's okay? You took a shot, provided no correct personal data for them to contact you, and failed.

WSEX is not for serious soccer punters, their limits are too low, the games aren't always up, but other than that they are a good book for american sports.


In this case I'd have to support WSEX if for no other reason than you (having tried to bet 40k on ManU), didn't just fall off the boat, and would know to call if you are trying to get on that type of money when it exceeds by 100 miles the posted limits wherether or not their crap software could prevent you with your multiple wagers.


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P.s. I dont give a crap about wsex, havent played there myself in a long time, but reading this pisses me off.

 

[castaway]

I agree 100%

 

[gambler1]

Just another scumartist.

 

[Jabow]

I agree 200%, these jokers come in here for support and or sympathy after they know that they are wrong and sleezy.

WSEX are not fools and he's trying to get over.

 

[acw]

There is NO large firm even here (London)(including WillHill,Ladbrokes, etc) who take even more than £10k over the net on EPL period.
Great stuff slots! You make those English firms look like what they are: A JOKE!

I will have to comment on that large thread now.

 

[wannamakeabet]

Slots, I agree. This player is a complete and total scam. I'm surprised he's getting the support here that he is. The fact that he gave a bogus email and phone number made me laugh out loud.

By the way, he put himself in a no lose situation. If the match lost, god only knows what his story would have been.

 

[DickyW]

Great post slots!!
after reading the other thread, finally IMO a post that sums things up.

 

[slots]

The BOTTOM LINE is he found a soft number here on this game, the WSEX people were prob in BED at that hour, and there NO WAY he EXPECTED them to take a 40k bet on this on the NET when they don't take 40k even on NFL for fuks sake!!!!!! You wouldn't have even gotten your whole 40k at 6/5 on Betfair after commision, and that was prob very early in the week NOT on gameday no way.
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MAYBE Pinnicle would take the bet at several odds down, but I HIGHLY doubt for 40k regardless, and the only other offshore (not asian unknows) websites not in Europe could be Centrebet...but no matter WHO it was you would need to make a call over £10,000. So there could be absolutly no EXPECTATION that a bet of this size would be taken on the net. The fact that he had to construct the bet into 100's of smaller ones tells all.

It doesn't even SMELL of a bad move by WSEX, and if he was a good customer, maybe they'd let him on for DOUBLE the limit...But if you think he's due a 36 dime payout, keep dreaming folks. IMO.

And BTW,
Last soccer season I did play a few games there, and had lots of problems b/c the games I wanted to bet would be up or whatever. But anyways, when you click the dropdown menu it would never let me bet more than 500-1000 a game, and when I wanted more I would call, and they would say no, not at that price. So I moved on becuase betting $500 USD on soccer does nothing for me. Like I would assume that with a 500 limit and them moving off a nickle bet at 10-20 cents they really would be interested in a 20-40k bet !!! HAHAHAHAHA. Yea, maybe if they were writing 2 million a day on soccer they would. PULEASSSEEE.

 

[D2bets]

slots, how do you rationalize WSEX waiting 5 hours to cancel the wagers -- starting 30 mins before the event and finally "cancelling" 5 hours later after the event? How does that not smell of a bad move? Do you really buy that they didn't have the capability to do so during that time? Smells to me.

 

[VG789]

He has RISKED 40k $, and the bookie decided to cancel the stake AFTER the match.Revere made an obvious mistake by betting 40k,but wsex made many mistakes:

1)No limit written somewhere
2)software sucks
3)manager was sleeping
4)bet cancelled after the match

the way I c it,revere made one mistake,and wsex made at least 4 mistakes.

 

[slots]

Without knowing the exact TIMEFRAME of the said bets in question, I would stab a guess and say it was before gametime that day, and by the time the game was over 1400GMT aprrox, they just turned the light switch on in that office in Antigua....Untill someone fills in the times, it is impossible to say. And VG789, he didnt risk 40 dimes he risked 500..If it lost he would be due a refund. And the only reason I say this is because WSEX doesnt screw people over like this---in all the years I haven't seen any complaints to suggest that they would act in anything but an honorable way.
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WHO HAS EVER MADE A BET FOR 40 DIMES JUST OVER THE ODDS ON THE INTERNET FOLKS???????? And on SOCCER for that matter....C'mon...
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Its my final post on this matter, I don't normally get involved in another person's beef..Wish everyone all the best whatever the result.

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[This message was edited by slots on August 24, 2003 at 12:02 PM.]

 

[DickyW]

1)No limit written somewhere

Revere knew the limit because his two previous bets were two 500 double pops

2)software sucks

I guess thats as good a reason as any to try to justify betting a soccer game for 40,000 knowing damn well they never would have taken the bet

3)manager was sleeping

Yeah unfortunatly people do have to sleep. Yes it sucks books have to staff up when needed. i mean I am sure Revere would have tried to sneak the bet in during the day too huh?

4)bet cancelled after the match

Yes that does suck and it is a good arguement but as I have asked many times before in this forum ....

WHEN DOES IT BECOME THE RESPONSBILITY OF THE PLAYER TO JUST DO WHATS FVCKING RIGHT

 

[D2bets]

slots, go back and read the mian thread here, the timeframe is clear. The match started at 7:00. Around 4:15-6:00 Revere places the wagers and they are accepted over the internet. Steve, a manager at WSEX, is called at his home at 6:30 by employees at the book and is told of the 40K in wager. He tells his girls to contact the player about cancelling the wagers. They were unable to do so, apparently as wsex claims, because the contact info was bogus. What exactly they did for the next 4.5 to 5 hours I don't know. But we do know that the wagers were not cancelled until 11:34, after the event had ended and 5 hours after steve was aware of the wagers. I have yet to see a plausible explanation from steve as to why it took 5 hours. He said first it was because they couldn't get ahold of him. Big deal. Cancel them, send an email, place and a note in the account. It's nothing unusual to not be able to contact someone personally. He said the second reason was that they needed to discuss how much they would accept. That's just silly. First, it brings into question the notion in itself that they had a right to cancel. Regardless, when it became clear immediately that they couldn't contact him they should have made a decision and cancelled all but the the first $500. Unless there is something we don't know, waiting those 5 hours was patently unreasonable and unacceptable.

 

[slots]

I don't entirely disagree with some of your points...The main thing is if they had NO way of CONTACTING the customer becuase the info was bogus, then there wasnt much they could do. The had an hour between 6am and 7am to decide what to do and inform the customer.
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So if you know that you give the book a false email and phone number, (Which by the way should be reason enough to be told to fuk off if there is any probs), and its taken you 2 hours to enter in a zillion bets, wouldnt you bother to call the book to ask if everything is okay???? I can't imagine making ANY transaction FOR 40k WITHOUT TALKING TO A HUMAN BEING NO MATTER WHAT.

 

[D2bets]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slots:
I don't entirely disagree with some of your points...The main thing is if they had NO way of CONTACTING the customer becuase the info was bogus, then there wasnt much they could do. The had an hour between 6am and 7am to decide what to do and inform the customer.
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How can you say there wasn't much they could do. They could have done what they ended up doing at 11:34 -- cancelling the bets on their system. No need to contact the cutomer. Only an attempt is needed. That's it. I've had wagers cancelled and never received a phone call. They are just voided on the system and an emial is sent. Even if the email bounced back, so what. At least they tried and they made their intentions known on the record by cancelling. Again, there was no reason for WSEX to wait 5 hours. None. None that I've heard so far anyway...unless maybe steve's wife was pregnant and he had to take her to the hospital or something and his cellphone broke down and they had a blackout in Antigua. Short of something like that there is no excuse for sitting on it.

 

[chaz]

Slots

You are so dead on with your evaluation of this problem. Why did this gentleman not call WSEX and question if his plays were valid. Are telephones broken or dialing fingers broken when there is such a large amount at stake and is very questionable. Obviously by placing several wagers in small increments he was trying to stay under the radar as he found a glitch in the software. One valid point which is extremely debatable is that of a book taking a bet and not honoring it. However, when there is such an obvious attempt to skirt the spirit of the book's guidelines and limits, then the book should be given some latitude. To attempt to garner support on this forum for putting the book in a lose-lose position is unconscionable. I do believe that the WSEX should make some restitution as they too were at fault to a certain degree but, obviously, not to the extent that this player attempted to wager. A book should be responsible for glitches in there software but common sense has to be applied to each independent event.

 

[slots]

I feel that the player was out of line in what he did with all those plays and not calling, and whatabout betting 40k on a game when your largest bet ever was 500-1000???

To be fair, I don't like the fact that the book didnt void the plays before the match if indeed their office was open and someone saw the liability. Especially since (and I think everyone has failed to mention this including the player...WHY?), that Manchester United started off LOSING the game in the 26th min! ManU scored a goal in the 51st min to tie it up after halftime, and then another goal in the 59th min to end it 1-2 manu.

So there...that's both sides I believe.

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[UncleButternutts]

Well said Chaz, slots.

 

[lander]

Slots

Great post

Forget all this drama, who on Earth would bet 40 X's the limit WITHOUT calling in? And fake account information?

C'mmon - I don't buy this one.

 

[IDENTITY]

no one was there for him to call. it was 5am. if you know wsex, no one picks up after 10pm