Illegal Immigrants Are Voting in American Elections

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Hans A. von Spakovsky, Cutting Edge News, August 4, 2008
<!-- This is the full text of the entry --> In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presidential vote margin in Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Census Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.
Florida is not unique. Thousands of non-citizens are registered to vote in some states, and tens if not hundreds of thousands in total may be present on the voter rolls nationwide. These numbers are significant: Local elections are often decided by only a handful of votes, and even national elections have likely been within the margin of the number of non-citizens illegally registered to vote.
Yet there is no reliable method to determine the number of non-citizens registered or actually voting because most laws to ensure that only citizens vote are ignored, are inadequate, or are systematically undermined by government officials. Those who ignore the implications of non-citizen registration and voting either are willfully blind to the problem or may actually favor this form of illegal voting.
Americans may disagree on many areas of immigration policy, but not on the basic principle that only citizens—and not non-citizens, whether legally present or not—should be able to vote in elections. Unless and until immigrants become citizens, they must respect the laws that bar non-citizen voting. To keep non-citizens from diluting citizens’ votes, immigration and election officials must cooperate far more effectively than they have to date, and state and federal officials must increase their efforts to enforce the laws against non-citizen voting that are already on the books.
An Enduring Problem
Costas Bakouris, head of the Greek chapter of Transparency International, says in an interview that ending corruption is easy: enforce the law. Illegal voting by immigrants in America is nothing new. Almost as long as there have been elections, there have been Tammany Halls trying to game the ballot box. Well into the 20th century, the political machines asserted their ascendancy on Election Day, stealing elections in the boroughs of New York and the wards of Chicago. Quite regularly, Irish immigrants were lined up and counted in canvasses long before the term “citizen” ever applied to them—and today it is little different.
Yet in the debates over what to do about the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens estimated to be in the United States, there has been virtually no discussion of how to ensure that they (and millions of legal aliens) do not register and vote in elections.
Citizenship is and should be a basic requirement for voting. Citizenship is a legal requirement to vote in federal and state elections, except for a small number of local elections in a few jurisdictions.
Some Americans argue that alien voting is a non-existent problem or dismiss reported cases of non-citizen voting as unimportant because, they claim, there are no cases in which non-citizens “intentionally” registered to vote or voted “while knowing that they were ineligible.” Even if this latter claim were true—which it is not—every vote cast by a non-citizen, whether an illegal alien or a resident alien legally in the country, dilutes or cancels the vote of a citizen and thus disenfranchises him or her. To dismiss such stolen votes because the non-citizens supposedly did not know they were acting illegally when they cast a vote debases one of the most important rights of citizens.
The evidence is indisputable that aliens, both legal and illegal, are registering and voting in federal, state, and local elections. Following a mayor’s race in Compton, California, for example, aliens testified under oath in court that they voted in the election. In that case, a candidate who was elected to the city council was permanently disqualified from holding public office in California for soliciting non-citizens to register and vote. The fact that non-citizens registered and voted in the election would never have been discovered except for the fact that it was a very close election and the incumbent mayor, who lost by less than 300 votes, contested it.
Similarly, a 1996 congressional race in California may have been stolen by non-citizen voting. Republican incumbent Bob Dornan was defending himself against a spirited challenger, Democrat Loretta Sanchez. Sanchez won the election by just 979 votes, and Dornan contested the election in the U.S. House of Representatives. His challenge was dismissed after an investigation by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform turned up only 624 invalid votes by non-citizens who were present in the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) database because they had applied for citizenship, as well as another 124 improper absentee ballots. The investigation, however, could not detect illegal aliens, who were not in the INS records.
The Oversight Committee pointed out the elephant in the room: “If there is a significant number of ‘documented aliens,’ aliens in INS records, on the Orange County voter registration rolls, how many illegal or undocumented aliens may be registered to vote in Orange County?” There is a strong possibility that, with only about 200 votes determining the winner, enough undetected aliens registered and voted to change the outcome of the election. This is particularly true since the California Secretary of State complained that the INS refused his request to check the entire Orange County voter registration file, and no complete check of all of the individuals who voted in the congressional race was ever made.
The “Quick Ticket”
Non-citizen voting is likely growing at the same rate as the alien population in the United States; but because of deficiencies in state law and the failure of federal agencies to comply with federal law, there are almost no procedures in place that allow election officials to detect, deter, and prevent non-citizens from registering and voting. Instead, officials are largely dependent on an “honor system” that expects aliens to follow the law. There are numerous cases showing the failure of this honor system.
The frequent claim that illegal aliens do not register in order “to stay below the radar” misses the fact that many aliens apparently believe that the potential benefit of registering far outweighs the chances of being caught and prosecuted. Many district attorneys will not prosecute what they see as a “victimless and non-violent” crime that is not a priority.
On the benefit side of the equation, a voter registration card is an easily obtainable document—they are routinely issued without any checking of identification—that an illegal alien can use for many different purposes, including obtaining a driver’s license, qualifying for a job, and even voting. The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, for example, requires employers to verify that all newly hired employees present documentation verifying their identity and legal authorization to work in the United States. In essence, this means that new employees have to present evidence that they are either U.S. citizens or legal aliens with a work permit. The federal I-9 form that employers must complete for all new employees provides a list of documentation that can be used to establish identity—including a voter registration card.
How aliens view the importance of this benefit was illustrated by the work of a federal grand jury in 1984 that found large numbers of aliens registered to vote in Chicago. As the grand jury reported, many aliens “register to vote so that they can obtain documents identifying them as U.S. citizens” and have “used their voters’ cards to obtain a myriad of benefits, from social security to jobs with the Defense Department.” The U.S. Attorney at the time estimated that there were at least 80,000 illegal aliens registered to vote in Chicago, and dozens were indicted and convicted for registering and voting.
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They call you for jury duty in Texas from your drivers licence not your voter registration.
 

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Illigal aliens voting is an overblown bullshit!!

Most of them wanna lay low. Using a fake ID for voting purposes is clearly not worth drawing attention to yourself
 

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Well, if libs like cas have their way, NOBODY will have to show ID anymore.

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Illigal aliens voting is an overblown bullshit!!

Most of them wanna lay low. Using a fake ID for voting purposes is clearly not worth drawing attention to yourself

couldn't agree more. why would they ever risk exposing themselves? makes zero sense.
 

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Please provide links since 2000 (not some study from 1984) where illegal immigrants were caught and their votes thrown out. Not suspected but actually thrown out

Dont give me opinion pieces but actual reporting of the story as it was unfolding and # of total illegal aliens voting that were caught.

I am thinking we would have heard about these cases because the losing party/candidates would have been crying bloody murder. Would have made Fox News and Lou Dobbs for sure

Did it happen some? Most likely. But certainly not in great numbers
 

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Haha. I can't believe that people on this forum are actually apologizing and downplaying that illegal immigrants vote in elections. Even the article states that there's undeniable evidence. You sheltered liberals have never even seen how elections play out in big cities. Guess what! The mexicans running the voting booths don't care that aliens are voting and that they're breaking the law. The illegals aren't afraid if getting caught either. Thers 12 to 25 million of them, and when's the last time you heard about any of them getting deported?
 

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Haha. I can't believe that people on this forum are actually apologizing and downplaying that illegal immigrants vote in elections. Even the article states that there's undeniable evidence.

Care to give specific examples then???
 

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Loretta Sanchez, a Democrat, defeated Republican incumbent Robert Dornan by 984 votes. Dornan called for an investigation of alleged illegal voting by noncitizens. According to Congressional Quarterly, a Washington, DC newspaper that focuses on developments in Congress, "Task force Chairman [U.S. Representative] Vernon J. Ehlers, R-Mich., said investigators had found concrete evidence of 748 illegal votes by noncitizens, not enough to throw Sanchez's victory into doubt."
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The Possible Magnitude of Noncitizen Voting[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]At any given time, there are about 28 million foreigners in the United States. The bulk of them are legal and illegal residents (24 million), and about 1.6 million are tourists or temporary visitors from Canada or Mexico. Many of the remaining 2.4 million visitors, such as students and temporary workers, are on long-term visas and acquire U.S. driver's licenses, as do a large share of the legal and illegal residents. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Nearly 21 million noncitizen residents and illegal alien residents are currently of voting age, suggesting that they may have obtained a driver's license and, at the same time, had the opportunity to register to vote. The Democrats have a large advantage in registration of newly naturalized immigrants, and it is reasonable to expect that if noncitizens vote they likely overwhelming vote for the Democratic Party candidates [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]In the 2000 election, there were 11 states carried by President Bush that had small enough winning vote margins that voting by noncitizens could have tipped the results to Vice President Gore. Those states were Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia. A switch of three votes in the Electoral College from Bush to Gore would have reversed the outcome of that election, so the voting of enough noncitizens to reverse the outcome in any one of those 11 states would have reversed the final outcome. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]In Florida, with more than 1.5 million noncitizens of voting age, only 540 of them would have had to vote (or 540 more ineligible voters than may actually have voted) for Gore to reverse the Presidential winner. In Nevada, fewer than nine percent of an estimated 244,000 noncitizen, voting-age residents would have had to vote for Gore to reverse the outcome of the election. In the other nine states, it would have taken from 25 percent to 92 percent of the voting-age noncitizens to reverse the outcome.
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In sanctuary cities you can't even check the citizenship status of people, so there's no way tell whether they're eligible to vote or not after they have registered.
 

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In sanctuary cities you can't even check the citizenship status of people, so there's no way tell whether they're eligible to vote or not after they have registered.


Is it possible for you to be more full of shit? This "sactuary cities" talking point they hand you is complete nonsense (and you run with it). The DOJ has been trying to find evidence of Illegals voting for 7 years. You can count the number of cases successfully tried on one hand. They have jurisdiction over these so-called "sanctuary cities". If illegals are even registered to vote, they are committing a felony and will at least be deported. It's the DOJ's wet dream to find evidence of illegals voting. They haven't been able to do it, because it's incredibly rare.

It's good to see a few posters not buying this crap.
 
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Illegal Aliens ARE Voting In American Elections
Posted by kupua on Tuesday August 5, 2008 at 5:41 am MDT [ Send to a friend ]

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In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presiden tial vote margin in Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Cen sus Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.
Florida is not unique. Thousands of non-citizens are registered to vote in some states, and tens if not hundreds of thousands in total may be present on the voter rolls nationwide. These numbers are significant: Local elections are often decided by only a handful of votes, and even national elections have likely been within the margin of the number of non-citizens ille gally registered to vote.
Yet there is no reliable method to determine the number of non-citizens registered or actually voting because most laws to ensure that only citizens vote are ignored, are inadequate, or are systematically undermined by government officials.
Those who ignore the implications of non-citizen registration and voting either are willfully blind to the problem or may actually favor this form of illegal voting.
Americans may disagree on many areas of immi gration policy, but not on the basic principle that only citizens—and not non-citizens, whether legally present or not—should be able to vote in elections. Unless and until immigrants become citizens, they must respect the laws that bar non-citizen voting. To keep non-citizens from diluting citizens' votes, immigration and election officials must cooperate far more effectively than they have to date, and state and federal officials must increase their efforts to enforce the laws against non-citizen voting that are already on the books.
How aliens view the importance of this benefit was illustrated by the work of a federal grand jury in 1984 that found large numbers of aliens regis tered to vote in Chicago. As the grand jury reported, many aliens "register to vote so that they can obtain documents identifying them as U.S. citizens" and have "used their voters' cards to obtain a myriad of benefits, from social security to jobs with the De fense Department." The U.S. Attorney at the time estimated that there were at least 80,000 illegal aliens registered to vote in Chicago, and dozens were indicted and convicted for registering and voting. The grand jury's report resulted in a limited cleanup of the voter registration rolls in Chicago, but just one year later, INS District Director A. D. Moyer testified before a state legislative task force that 25,000 illegal and 40,000 legal aliens remained on the rolls in Chicago. Moyer told the Illinois Senate that non-citizens registered so they could get a voter registration card for identification, adding that the card was "a quick ticket into the unemployment compensation system." An alien from Belize, for example, testified that he and his two sisters were able to register easily because they were not asked for any identification or proof of citizenship and lied about where they were born. After securing registration, he voted in Chicago.
Once such aliens are registered, of course, they receive the same encouragement to vote from campaigns' and parties' get-out-the-vote programs and advertisements that all other registered voters receive. Political actors have no way to distinguish between individuals who are properly registered and non-citizens who are illegally registered.
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The DOJ has been trying to find evidence of Illegals voting for 7 years. You can count the number of cases successfully tried on one hand. They have jurisdiction over these so-called "sanctuary cities". If illegals are even registered to vote, they are committing a felony and will at least be deported. It's the DOJ's wet dream to find evidence of illegals voting. They haven't been able to do it, because it's incredibly rare.

It's good to see a few posters not buying this crap.

Thanks again for stating the obvious.

Genuflecting Republicans know their federal and state campaigns are in huge trouble due to the incredible mismanagement of federal government by BushCo during the past eight years. So any way they can try to discredit the potential for a Democratic landslide this coming November likely holds plenty of appeal, regardless of legitimacy.
 

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I see that the moonbats are in denial - in their world, if you tell the big lie enough times, everyone will believe it - they forget that this is the information age where a fast internet search will net you all you ever wanted to know about the subject.

I'm sure the lockstep rank and file will deny everything as they follow the lead given by their elitists leaders.

The left wing government bureaucrats and their left wing political machine have partnered up with the agriculture, construction and hotel business communities to give $ to politicians who support their pro-illegal alien agenda. These politicians lie to and ignore the American people as the illegals continue to move in and take over jobs and communities.

Anyone who thinks illegals aren't using all the loopholes available to collect welfare, get free health insurance and send their kids to our schools is outright stoopid.
 
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While living in NC I registered & then when I went to vote I did'nt have to show an ID.... They just looked up my name in a book.. I could've been anybody saying it was me voting... That's pretty sloppy voting procedure if you ask me.
 

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"Anyone who thinks illegals aren't using all the loopholes available to collect welfare, get free health insurance and send their kids to our schools is outright stoopid."


Nice try to change the subject. Typical wrong-wing tactic. Have nothing to contribute so they go into their defult bullshit.

The elitist liberals...blah...blah...blah
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I see that the moonbats are in denial - in their world, if you tell the big lie enough times, everyone will believe it - they forget that this is the information age where a fast internet search will net you all you ever wanted to know about the subject.

There are people that write about this subject and attempt to forward a belief that non-citizens are registered illegally to forward their hidden agendas. Just because you can search and find articles written by these people does not mean they are being truthful.

We can agree that this is the information age. Given that, most everything with relation to voter registrations is now computerize. If there are non-citizens illegally registered, they are subject to arrest. The DOJ have instructed their U.S. Attorney's to give this matter their highest priority (in order to forward a not so hidden agenda). The arrests and prosecutions with relation to non-citizens being registered (or voting) have been few and far between (can be counted on one hand). Given that this is the information age, why can't they find these illegally registered voters if they are registered in significant numbers? They have the computers. They have jurisdiction. It's a priority. What's the holdup? If this was actually happening, the DOJ would have proof. Until people like you have actual proof, you are the one in denial.
 

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Thanks again for stating the obvious.

Genuflecting Republicans know their federal and state campaigns are in huge trouble due to the incredible mismanagement of federal government by BushCo during the past eight years. So any way they can try to discredit the potential for a Democratic landslide this coming November likely holds plenty of appeal, regardless of legitimacy.
I'm not a republican. I just feel uncomfortable with alien invaders hijacking my government and deciding elections.
 

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