If you think more than 75% of poker is luck...

[Enfuego]

You are not a poker player.

I've read this a few times here today and if you think the game is almost all luck then what separates the good from bad?​

 

[parlayin]

Good ones are luckier than the bad ones. The end

 

[Railbird]

Its not about who is lucky or good. ITs about who God decides to bless on that day. Do you think its a coincidence that Kenny Tran coughed up his chips and Jerry Yang Won?

 

[JakeT.]

Its not about who is lucky or good. ITs about who God decides to bless on that day. Do you think its a coincidence that Kenny Tran coughed up his chips and Jerry Yang Won?

1990: Mansour Matloubi
1992: Hamid Dastmalchi

Just sayin.

 

[Enfuego]

Its not about who is lucky or good. ITs about who God decides to bless on that day. Do you think its a coincidence that Kenny Tran coughed up his chips and Jerry Yang Won?

On the hand Yang won the World Series with he went all in with an 8-8 and his opponent had an A-Q. Preflop he is in the lead. This is not luck.

This is him going all in with the best hand and it takes skill to read your opponent well enough to know when to go all in with the best hand. Essentially his opponent at this point has 6 outs to beat him. I'll take those odds any day and it takes skill to put yourself in that postion for that much money.

 

[crookedlink]

On the hand Yang won the World Series with he went all in with an 8-8 and his opponent had an A-Q. Preflop he is in the lead. This is not luck.

This is him going all in with the best hand and it takes skill to read your opponent well enough to know when to go all in with the best hand. Essentially his opponent at this point has 6 outs to beat him. I'll take those odds any day and it takes skill to put yourself in that postion for that much money.

if you call being in a virtual coin flip "having the best hand"

:nohead:

 

[Enfuego]

if you call being in a virtual coin flip "having the best hand"

:nohead:

You are sure enough in the lead and once again I say the guy only has 6 outs out of a remaining 48 cards in the deck to beat you when you both go all in preflop. And 8-8 vs. A-Q is not a coin flip.

 

[parlayin]

Yang actually made some questionable calls earlier in the tournament but was forunate to survive

 

[crookedlink]

You are sure enough in the lead and once again I say the guy only has 6 outs out of a remaining 48 cards in the deck to beat you when you both go all in preflop. And 8-8 vs. A-Q is not a coin flip.

lol you obviously don't play poker much.

AQ vs 88 IS a coinflip.

any pocket pair against two over cards is always a coin flip.

check here if you don't believe me.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds/texas_holdem

 

[shdw01]

coinflip/slightly favored.....even the pros admit winning the main event takes extreme luck....winning a coinflip is not to bad....winning EVERY coinflip where you are all in is very lucky.


A skilled poker player can be a winning player....to win the main event you have to be lucky as hell.

 

[Enfuego]

lol you obviously don't play poker much.

AQ vs 88 IS a coinflip.

any pocket pair against two over cards is always a coin flip.

check here if you don't believe me.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds/texas_holdem

No, I've never played before. Is it much fun? I'd rather have a mid-sized pocket pair over AQ anyday. I'd call it every time. And yes 8-8 is in the lead going into the flop. I'd rather be in the lead then losing going into the flop but that's just me.

 

[Enfuego]

coinflip/slightly favored.....even the pros admit winning the main event takes extreme luck....winning a coinflip is not to bad....winning EVERY coinflip where you are all in is very lucky.


A skilled poker player can be a winning player....to win the main event you have to be lucky as hell.

Now this is a good post and why I actually read shdw1's posts regarding poker. All you can do is be in position to win the hand but of course winning the main event does involve luck.

 

[billhill999]

Luck is the residue of design.

 

[JackStraw77]

Scotty Ng is lucky, just ask him

 

[CHOPTALK]

If everyone was good at poker it would be 100% luck. But everyone is not good at poker.

The key to winning is to just hang around and let bad players make mistakes.

You dont really make money in poker by doing great things. Most of the big money is made just by letting the players around you make mistakes.

 

[maxdemo]

true....but luck is also a major factor....not 100%

 

[lapdance]

not 100% but 75%, yes. if it was so much skill, then wouldn't the last two tables be mostly pros? how many pros make the final table?
i've been there and seen pros knocked out less than an hour or two into the tournament. not one or two pros but 8 or 10.

 

[ECS]

If its 75% skill though why do the same guys seem to win WSOP or show up at final tables? Ill give you their is some luck involved but to say 75% is crazy

 

[Enfuego]

not 100% but 75%, yes. if it was so much skill, then wouldn't the last two tables be mostly pros? how many pros make the final table?
i've been there and seen pros knocked out less than an hour or two into the tournament. not one or two pros but 8 or 10.

Because there are good players playing this game that aren't "pros" whatever the hell that means anymore. Some dudes just play but don't have a bankroll or time or whatever but I guarantee are just as good as Helmuth, Harrington or any of those clowns. If you think this game is 75% luck you really have never played the game before.

 

[Anonymous1]

Im sure you know or know of someone that just seems to have the Midas Touch, anything they encounter just turns to gold; kinda the green thumb thing, as well. Same for the top pro's imo, they just have been given that gift in life. Same on the downside, some peeps never get past home plate, even though they put out tremendous effort, etc. Can't splain it, but its there. In the end, for anything you do, to succeed you will need good luck and/or a minimum amount of bad luck.