If Derek Jeter ended his career today and played for someone other then NY, would he be a Hall of Famer?

[CHOPTALK]

Well I praised a Yankee yesterday, so I have to balance the scales a little and bash a Yankee today.


Of course once he gets 12 more hits it wont matter which team he plays for he would get in.

But lets say he ended his career tomorrow and was stuck on 2988 hits failing to hit the milestone.


Personally I think Jeter is the most overrated player in the last 30 years.

I cant think of another player with more hype.

Now is Jeter a way way above average player in baseball history? YES
But I hope the people in NY are not seriously considering giving him a statue next to Mantle or Joe DiMaggio.


He has always gotten credit for being things that he is not.
He is not a great defensive player, but yet he has won gold gloves.

Bill James who I highly respect calls Derick Jeter THE worst fielder in all of baseball since 2008, but yet he somehow won the Gold Glove in 2009 and 2010.

The top Yankee brass would love to figure out a way to move him to the outfield without causing a stink but it would be a PR nightmare. So I guess he will keep winning gold gloves while being one of the worst defensive players in baseball.



He gets credit for being a clutch player in postseason. He has had some big hits, but nothing like advertised. The problem is everytime he does anything at all they replay it on sportscenter 50,000 times. Arod gets accused of not getting the big hit. Jeter's career BA is not much better in postseason then AROD.

Give me Bernie Williams in the postseason anyday over Jeter.

Its like everything he does gets way overblown.

Does everyone remember the play against Oakland about 12 years ago where he gets the ball and throws it underhanded to get the guy out at home?

Thats a play that half the people on this forum could make, but the people in the media have blown that play so out of proportion to the point where some people call it one of the greatest plays in baseball history. It was over 10 years ago and I still saw a replay of that play the other day.

If Erick Aybar would have made that play it might not have even made sportscenter.



Bottom line is I think Jeter was a fantastic player. One of the top 7 or 8 shortstops of the last 30 years. But he is not an all-time great.

If his career ended today, and he played for the KC Royals, he would be very boarderline at best Hall of Famer.

 

[Fishhead]

He would be on par with OMAR VIZQUEL..............but BOTH will be HALL OF FAMERS


To answer your question, anyone with 2,990 carreer hits is an AUTOMATIC HALL OF FAMER, if not charged with gambling, drug abuse, or murder.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Yes I agree that both will be HOFers.

But ask the average fan who is better OMAR or Jeter and I bet you 99% say Jeter.
Omar is/was a better player. Defense off the charts, and just as good with the bat.
Jeter will be 1st ballot, but I have a feeling Omar will be waiting several years. Omar will be one of the few players that will benefit from the steroid era. People like him will get a lot more respect then they would if players like SOSA and Ramirez and Big Mac wernt looked down on like they are now.


Omar is a perfect example.
Jeter should be looked at in Omar's class, and not even in the same hemisphere as some of the all-time Yankee greats.

He would be on par with OMAR VIZQUEL..............but BOTH will be HALL OF FAMERS


To answer your question, anyone with 2,990 carreer hits is an AUTOMATIC HALL OF FAMER, if not charged with gambling, drug abuse, or murder.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Before I get bashed.

I want to make very clear.

Overrated does not=Not good.

He was very good, but based on hype, he gets the hype of an all-time great.

I can make a case for at least 6 to 8 SS better then him in the last 30 years.

 

[Fishhead]

OMAR better player than JETER.........most will agree.

 

[FairWarning]

Vizquel is a much better fielder but Jeter was a much better hitter. Jeter is a first-ballot lock on any team.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Before anyone ask

AROD
Ripken
Omar
Larkin
Ozzie
Trammel
In the last 30 years.


2 more that I think will get there in the future.

Hanley Ramirez
Jose Reyas

 

[RobFunk]

Honestly chop, I'm not even sure what you are trying to say here. Jeter is a 1st ballot HOF'er

 

[CHOPTALK]

Honestly chop, I'm not even sure what you are trying to say here. Jeter is a 1st ballot HOF'er

I probably started this thread because I feel guilty starting a thread yesterday praising a Yankee, and wanted to make thinks right with myself today.

 

[Fishhead]

I probably started this thread because I feel guilty starting a thread yesterday praising a Yankee, and wanted to make thinks right with myself today.

 

[ChrisParadise]

185 postseason hits go a long way with the voters

.313 career avg...yeah, if all stats the same just diff team name he'd still be 1st ballot

 

[5teamparlay]

If Ozzie Smiths name was Bob Smith he might not be a HOF as well. It is what it is... Brewers had Yount and Molitor. Royals had Brett etc....


Mattingly might have been a beloved Cardinal and gotten in, who the fuck knows...

 

[WorldNumberOne]

jeter could bang every voters mom and sister on the steps of st patricks cathedral , retire from baseball right now, then tell the voters to kiss his ass, and he'd still be a first ballot hall of famer...

 

[steaktartar]

jeter could bang every voters mom and sister on the steps of st patricks cathedral , retire from baseball right now, then tell the voters to kiss his ass, and he'd still be a first ballot hall of famer...

agree

 

[wilheim]

Unless it comes out that Derick ate PEDs for breakfast all these years Jeter is a lock get inducted on his first year of eligibility for the HOF. No brainer regardless where he finishes his career. Manny should be in the same situation but he has the steroid issue hanging over his head, so who knows with him.

I will be curious how Bernie Williams does when he becomes eligible. I don't see him as a first ballot lock but he should get in at some point ala Jim Rice. Look for Bernie Williams on the ballot in 2012.


wil.

 

[Fishhead]

Unless it comes out that Derick ate PEDs for breakfast all these years Jeter is a lock get inducted on his first year of eligibility for the HOF. No brainer regardless where he finishes his career. Manny should be in the same situation but he has the steroid issue hanging over his head, so who knows with him.

I will be curious how Bernie Williams does when he becomes eligible. I don't see him as a first ballot lock but he should get in at some point ala Jim Rice. Look for Bernie Williams on the ballot in 2012.


wil.

DWIGHT EVANS had 110 hits and 98 more homers than Bernie.........

DWIGHT EVANS won eight gold golves, Bernie four.

DWIGHT EVANS is OFF the HOF ballot..........complete travesty.

 

[5teamparlay]

DWIGHT EVANS had 110 hits and 98 more homers than Bernie.........

DWIGHT EVANS won eight gold golves, Bernie four.

DWIGHT EVANS is OFF the HOF ballot..........complete travesty.

Can I get a ring count?

 

[wilheim]

The Dwight Evans snub is a shame but it is not Jim Rice's fault.

Achievements by Dwight Evans during his career.

• 3-time All-Star (1978, 1981, 1987)
• 8 Gold Glove Award (1976, 1978–79, 1981–85)
• 4-time Top 10 MVP (1981–82, 1987–88)
• Led league in On-base percentage (1982)
• Led league in OPS (1981 and 1984)
• Led league in Runs and Extra-Base Hits (1984)
• Led league in Total Bases and Home Runs (1981)
• Led league in Walks (1981, 1985 and 1987)
• Led league in Runs Created (1981 and 1984)
• Led league in Times on Base (1981 and 1982)
• 2,606 Games (34th All-Time MLB)
• 8,996 At Bats (61st All-Time MLB)
• 1,470 Runs (65th All-Time MLB)
• 2,446 Hits (95th All-Time MLB)
• 4,230 Total Bases (53rd All-Time MLB)
• 483 Doubles (59th All-Time MLB)
• 385 Home Runs (49th All-Time MLB)
• 1,384 RBI (65th All-Time MLB)
• 1,391 Walks (25th All-Time MLB)
• 1,570 Runs Created (54th All-Time MLB)
• 941 Extra-Base Hits (41st All-Time MLB)
• 3,890 Times on Base (43rd All-Time MLB)
• 77 Sacrifice Flies (87th All-Time MLB)
• Hit for the cycle (1984)
• 4-time hit a home run on opening days in his career, including one on the very first pitch of the season. The one he hit on the very first pitch was also in the first MLB game of the season, thus giving him the record for earliest home run hit in a season, which for obvious reasons can never be broken.
• Has the 10th most career Home Runs hit by an American League right-handed batter (385).
• Appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated in 1988.
• In the 11th inning of Game Six of the 1975 World Series against the Cincinnati Reds, Evans made a spectacular running catch deep in the right field corner near Pesky's Pole, robbing Joe Morgan of a home run, then doubled Ken Griffey, Sr. off first. The Red Sox then won the game in the 12th on Carlton Fisk's famous walkoff home run.

In Rice's case getting in on his 15th and last try you can thank steroids. Players on the 2009 ballot that normally would have received votes did not and enough (barely) went to Rice to get him in with his name on 76.4% of the ballots (you need 75% to get in). This topic has been argued quite a bit and I am sure if it was up to Rice - Dewey would be in the HOF. Now he has to somehow get in the hard way as an old-timer..

Rice can also thank his 1978 season for it's contributions to his induction. In 1978, Rice won the Most Valuable Player award in a campaign where he hit .315 (third in the league) and led the league in home runs (46), RBI (139), hits (213), triples (15) and slugging average (.600). He is one of only two AL players ever to lead his league in both triples and home runs in the same season, and he remains the only player ever to lead the major leagues in triples, home runs and RBIs in the same season. His 406 total bases that year were the most in the AL since Joe DiMaggio had 418 in 1937, and it made Rice the first major leaguer with 400 or more total bases since Hank Aaron's 400 in 1959. This feat wasn't repeated again until 1997, when Larry Walker had 409 in the NL. No AL player has done it since Rice in 1978, and his total remains the third highest by an AL right-handed hitter, behind DiMaggio and Jimmie Foxx (438 in 1932).

Career highlights:

• 8× All-Star selection (1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986)
• 2× Silver Slugger Award winner (1983, 1984)
• 1978 AL MVP
• Boston Red Sox #14 retired

Stats from Wikipedia.

wil.

 

[Fishhead]

EIGHT-TIME Gold Glove winner and TOP 100 in all these offensive categories and OFF the ballot...........TRAVESTY



2,606 Games (34th All-Time MLB)
8,996 At Bats (61st All-Time MLB)
1,470 Runs (65th All-Time MLB)
2,446 Hits (95th All-Time MLB)
4,230 Total Bases (53rd All-Time MLB)
483 Doubles (59th All-Time MLB)
385 Home Runs (49th All-Time MLB)
1,384 RBI (65th All-Time MLB)
1,391 Walks (25th All-Time MLB)
1,570 Runs Created (54th All-Time MLB)
941 Extra-Base Hits (41st All-Time MLB)
3,890 Times on Base (43rd All-Time MLB)
77 Sacrifice Flies (87th All-Time MLB)

 

[bigtendominator]

Chop,

I have said it for years, Jeter is the luckiest player I have ever seen. He plays harder than anyone and I respect him more than because of how he plays.

However, he is vastly overrated. Has 0 defensive range. Why the Yanks paid him 3/$51 is beyond me. They could have gotten him for less than $10 per year. Friend of mine argued people want to see Jeter and there would have been backlash. People in every city want to win. Look everyone in GB thought Thompson was an idiot for getting rid of Farve, now the question is, who the fuck is Brett Farve.