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Quick exit from Iraq is likely

September 20, 2004

BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Advertisement






Inside the Bush administration policymaking apparatus, there is strong feeling that U.S. troops must leave Iraq next year. This determination is not predicated on success in implanting Iraqi democracy and internal stability. Rather, the officials are saying: Ready or not, here we go.

This prospective policy is based on Iraq's national elections in late January, but not predicated on ending the insurgency or reaching a national political settlement. Getting out of Iraq would end the neoconservative dream of building democracy in the Arab world. The United States would be content having saved the world from Saddam Hussein's quest for weapons of mass destruction.

The reality of hard decisions ahead is obscured by blather on both sides in a presidential campaign. Six weeks before the election, Bush cannot be expected to admit even the possibility of a quick withdrawal. Sen. John Kerry's political aides, still languishing in fantastic speculation about European troops to the rescue, do not even ponder a quick exit. But Kerry supporters with foreign policy experience speculate that if elected, their candidate would take the same escape route.

Whether Bush or Kerry is elected, the president or president-elect will have to sit down immediately with the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The military will tell the election winner there are insufficient U.S. forces in Iraq to wage effective war. That leaves three realistic options: Increase overall U.S. military strength to reinforce Iraq, stay with the present strength to continue the war, or get out.

Well-placed sources in the administration are confident Bush's decision will be to get out. They believe that is the recommendation of his national security team and would be the recommendation of second-term officials. An informed guess might have Condoleezza Rice as secretary of state, Paul Wolfowitz as defense secretary and Stephen Hadley as national security adviser. According to my sources, all would opt for a withdrawal.

Getting out now would not end expensive U.S. reconstruction of Iraq, and certainly would not stop the fighting. Without U.S. troops, the civil war cited as the worst-case outcome by the recently leaked National Intelligence Estimate would be a reality. It would then take a resolute president to stand aside while Iraqis battle it out.

The end product would be an imperfect Iraq, probably dominated by Shia Muslims seeking revenge over long oppression by the Sunni-controlled Baathist Party. The Kurds would remain in their current semi-autonomous state. Iraq would not be divided, reassuring neighboring countries -- especially Turkey -- that are apprehensive about ethnically divided nations.

This messy new Iraq is viewed by Bush officials as vastly preferable to Saddam's police state, threatening its neighbors and the West. In private, some officials believe the mistake was not in toppling Saddam but in staying there for nation building after the dictator was deposed.

Abandonment of building democracy in Iraq would be a terrible blow to the neoconservative dream. The Bush administration's drift from that idea is shown in restrained reaction to Russian President Vladimir Putin's seizure of power. While Bush officials would prefer a democratic Russia, they appreciate that Putin is determined to prevent his country from disintegrating as the Soviet Union did before it. A fragmented Russia, prey to terrorists, is not in the U.S. interest.

The Kerry campaign, realizing that its only hope is to attack Bush for his Iraq policy, is not equipped to make sober evaluations of Iraq. When I asked a Kerry political aide what his candidate would do in Iraq, he could do no better than repeat the old saw that help is on the way from European troops. Kerry's foreign policy advisers know there will be no release from that quarter.

In the Aug. 29 New York Times Magazine, columnist David Brooks wrote an article (''How to Reinvent the GOP'') that is regarded as a neo-con manifesto and not popular with other conservatives.

''We need to strengthen nation states,'' Brooks wrote, calling for ''a multilateral nation-building apparatus.'' To chastened Bush officials, that sounds like an invitation to repeat Iraq instead of making sure it never happens again.
 

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Big mistake, this is appeasing the left. Civil war breaks out the week after the US leaves. It's going to take a few years to build a real Iraqi security force. Iran must be dealt with also, I don't see it.
 

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Sure, take it to the bank that Bush will hang the troops out to dry in Iraq for at least 4 more years with nothing accomplished.
 

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They certainly won't be abandoning their military bases. I would also be seriously dubious that they would just let Iraqis 'battle it out.' The next gov't in Iraq will definitely be helped along by the US.
 

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This doesn't surprise me at all. Think about history - Nixon couldn't have bailed on Viet Nam and gotten re-elected so American youth were sacrificed there until midway thru his second term when it was politically safe to bail.

Handwriting is on the wall - same will happen in Iraq if Bush wins. He'll say we went there with noble intentions, but the Iraqi people did not seize their chance at freedom even though we generously gave it to them. And like Nixon, he will be able to blame withdrawl on dissenters at home who have so-called weakened the cause. So the question is how many American troops will be killed and wounded before we withdraw?

The beauty of this is if Kerry somehow wins and withdraws eventually, Republicans will be able to say he didn't stay the course and that he betrayed the Iraqi people and all the American soldiers who fought and bled over there.

Nothing more than CYA for Bush - cover your ass, Mr. President, cover your ass.
 

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You won't withdraw.

no way hose.
 

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We'll only pull out when the psychotic war-dodging genocidal fuk prepared for steps II & III in his evil plot to spin he world into WW III.

Axis of Evil = Bush, Cheney & Wolfowitz.
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAMEFACE:
Big mistake, this is appeasing the left. Civil war breaks out the week after the US leaves. It's going to take a few years to build a real Iraqi security force. Iran must be dealt with also, I don't see it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Newsflash Gameface: Civil War is already ongoing in Iraq and always will unless and until a dictator emerges. Arabs and democracy don't mix.
 

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Belch,

NEWS FLASH: they were killing eachother before we arrived.

after the election if we continue to fight a fukin POLITICALLY CORRECT war then I say lets get the fuk out. if we continue to negotiate with al sadir it's time to leave. we need to rope off these areas and give the women and children 48 hours to leave and level the area.

the vast majority of the iraqis would be extremely dissapointed if we leave prior to leaving some level of security.

could you imagine what would have happened if we would have left Germany two years after the end of major combat.
 

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You never went to Iraq to rebuild the place Game, you went there to obliterate it as a viable society.
(Afghanistan got 'regime change'.)

Mission accomplished dude.
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Strategic oil reserves... Saudi oil... Iranian nuclear ambitions... Israeli security...

Strategically, you've got yerself a huge shit sandwich that makes Vietnam look like a walk in the park.
 

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eek,

come on the experts said we'd lose 10 thousand taking Baghdad, turns out it was about 9900 less than that. you guys are funny none the less.
 

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They should put you in charge Game.

A large increase in 1000 pounders dropping onto residential areas from 20,000 feet is the kind of high quality management approach thats been missing in Iraq over the last 16 months.

Heck.
You could propose the first ever carpet bombing resolution for the UN to debate.

You could call it
'The surrender monkeys can kiss my ass' resolution.

(btw Iraq was broken up so it could no longer threaten Israel...hint hint.(or control its outflows of oil))
 

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Heck.

Even after WW2 a load of ex-nazis were used to rebuild the infrastructure of Germany.

The Emperor in Japan was maintained.

Iraq on the other hand has been dismantled, like an insect having its legs and wings pulled off.
 

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I don't see Cowboy Bush pulling out of Iraq anytime soon.....why would he pull out and admit what a fawked up mess it has become, when all he has to do is "stay the course", spend a few more hundred billion and lose only a few thousand more troops in the process?

It's not his son doing the dying.
It's not his billions spent.
If reelected, he "stays the course", then the next guy in office pulls us out and is accused of losing the war.....you don't officially lose a war until you quit.
 

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