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100,000 miles and you wouldn't know it from a brand new car. Detroit can go fuck themselves. They don't deserve any help. Let the forces of nature and capitalism prevail. Only the strong survive.
 
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I have a Ford Mustang and love it but I totally agree that if you have run your business into the ground a handout, errrrr bailout, just can't be expected. long live unions, those ever-so-helpful pools of corruption....hope they're happy with what they helped create!
 
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My 89 Ford F-150 has more miles & less problems than any of your rice burners & will still be going strong when your rice burners are in the junkyard for the scrap to build my new Ford that I won't need but you will... Fuck you & your foriegn Cars
 

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On Wall Street, do only the strong survive? I guess you were fine with their $700B bail-out, but you have a problem with one twenty-eighth of that for Detroit?
 

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Fuck Detroit and anyone receiving a bailout. Nobody is too big to fail, nobody. And Road, your the exception not the rule...most American cars suck balls. And besides, your vested into them not failing considering you haul a lot of rubbish new parts for these abominations.
 

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I was committed to buying American in the late 90's. After a bad experience, I'm back to imports.

Although I'm tempted by the new Caddys, I don't think I can pull the trigger.
 

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I hate all of these bail outs. Agree with Conan 100%. Let the companys fail if they can't make it, let capitalism prevail.
 

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The AIG bailout was far worse, I hope you are pissed off about that one.
 

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My Jeep has 1/4 million miles on it and was still going strong, unfortunatly, an accident did her in.
My next car is a Jeep.
 

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I have a Ford Mustang and love it but I totally agree that if you have run your business into the ground a handout, errrrr bailout, just can't be expected. long live unions, those ever-so-helpful pools of corruption....hope they're happy with what they helped create!

Wasn't the unions that showed up in Washington in 3 separate private jets, wanting a hand out but with no idea of a improved business plan amongst them.
 

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Wasn't the unions that showed up in Washington in 3 separate private jets, wanting a hand out but with no idea of a improved business plan amongst them.

Of course, ridiculous wage and benefit demands contributed greatly to the need to go to DC, but why bother?

It's really about the private jets that are of no consequence.

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Wasn't the unions that showed up in Washington in 3 separate private jets, wanting a hand out but with no idea of a improved business plan amongst them.

you're right punter. UAW has nothing to do with the current financial state of these companies
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you're right punter. UAW has nothing to do with the current financial state of these companies
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Were did I say that?

Its just that some of you try and lay all the problems on the unions. Its not the case but it makes you feel good so go ahead but its horseshit.
 

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Were did I say that?

Its just that some of you try and lay all the problems on the unions. Its not the case but it makes you feel good so go ahead but its horseshit.

UAW are at fault just as the companies are. Technically, if you look at median Family income and what not UAW was just keeping pace what the top earners were so in some ways you cant fault them, but in this case the goose was sick and they shouldnt have always used the sharp ax. But the same can be said for the executives as well, so blame all around.
 

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I've driven a european car for the last 5 years. Japanese before that. Thinking of trading in my car for a japanese. Besides I can't think of one American car (for the exception of a gas guzzling Escalade) that I'd wanna get. Be it quality or style.
 
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I drive an old Infinity as does my wife both have over 100,000 and are better than most new cars that I have owned.

The problem is how to get the Midwest employed again. The unions are willing to make all kinds of concessions but management actions in this latest clusterfuck in Washington shows that they are a long way from accepting any responsibility and mend their ways.
 

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I hate all of these bail outs. Agree with Conan 100%. Let the companys fail if they can't make it, let capitalism prevail.

Thank you for that Rob.

Someone here accused me of sympathizing with the Banks. Fuck them too. He's an idiot.

I say the courts should have let their assets be auctioned off in the courts and let the FDIC pay off the depositors. I mean, WTF is the purpose of even giving the FDIC an existence if the banks can't fail? It's us depositors that are the only ones that need protection and like fools we've been hit on for that protection too. But the government is now underwriting and indemnifying the companies themselves and not just the depositors.

It's just another way for the thieves and morons that run everything in DC to get another double dip. Realisitcally though, if the FDIC isn't going to be needed anymore because the Feds won't let the banks fail, how stupid is that?

But back to square one. They should never have bailed them out. They should have offed their assets to the best suitor and let the FDIC clean up the mess. Get that road kill off the highway. Ultimately that's the best solution to all of this.
 

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I drive an old Infinity as does my wife both have over 100,000 and are better than most new cars that I have owned.

The problem is how to get the Midwest employed again. The unions are willing to make all kinds of concessions but management actions in this latest clusterfuck in Washington shows that they are a long way from accepting any responsibility and mend their ways.

Listen, greed knows no bounds. Let the failed unions go the same way as the failed companies they've been in bed with. As far as I'm concerned, they are all equally guilty and deserve nothing for their own self serving greed.

If it's about jobs, the let the gangrenous and unproductive companies be "fileted" away... (there are unproductive workers that have gotten a free pass for too long thanks to the unions.) All of them are basically nothing more than a big suck. Is it any wonder that jobs are ultimately lost when the bills finally are left unpaid due to pure greed everywhere you look? (Greed being defined as taking wages, money or reasonable profit that wasn't righteously earned.)

It all has to go. Then we can build on a solid foundation. That's how we will become strong again and thrive like we are supposed to do. Reward productivity, penalize unproductivity and failure at all levels of business and government. Let the forces of nature and captitalism prevail. It's either that or we are in for a lot more of the same bullshit for a very long time.

And as far as the government goes, let them regulate for fair and necessary reasons. Do not let that regulation become a form of control and exploitation or the greed and lust for power that put us in this mess starts all over again.
 

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