I don't get it.....

[scott]

Why are the Feds & States so against Internet gambling, both sports & casino. It's really against all reason. They condone & give their blessings to other forms of gambling. They run their own games and tax the private domestic casinos whom they license. The globe is getting wired for Internet gambling. It won't be stopped (I didn't day can't). The US is going to be left behind and will be playing catch up instead of being the undisputed leader. Any ideas?
I hope this is a productive thread and stays above a name calling hissy fit.....ScottyS

 

[RPM]

good topic scott. it basically comes down to two things imo.

1. they arent sure they can keep up with who to tax, and how much.

2. if it were leagle, even more people would be doing it, and that could lead to a whole bunch of neighborhoods becoming projects.

 

[scott]

RPM, It seems like the smart move for them. They can't stop it, they can't take the moral high road since they already condone and promote gambling, even games with virtually no chance of winning. Casinos, horses, card rooms, bingo parlors, lotterys, scratch cards, etc. are fine with them. US gaming companies are investing in gaming projects all over the globe. The US is the world leader in technology. We can tell where a wager is coming from with GPS among other things, and we have the technology to tell who is making the wager also, if we want to use it. Still the Gov't (Feds & States) are going the other way while the rest of the known world is embracing Internet gambling. They tax everything, literally EVERYTHING but don't want this bonanza.....I don't get it

 

[bigbet1234]

the gov. is not looking out for our well being. they could care less if john doe lost his life savings at and internet site. now if he lost it and could not pay taxes, then this is a different story. the gov. is as evil as casinos in vegas. they will suck you for everything you have.

dont get me wrong, i pay my taxes, but the some laws are what i dont agree with. rape or kill someone by drinking and driving by accident and get 2 years, deal drugs and get 10-20?? makes no sense to me.

overall, it is all filtered around the green backs

 

[scott]

bigbet
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"the gov. is not looking out for our well being. they could care less if john doe lost his life savings at and internet site. now if he lost it and could not pay taxes, then this is a different story. the gov. is as evil as casinos in vegas. they will suck you for everything you have."
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Thats exactly my point, they have no moral high ground to lean on. They figure to regulate and tax it to death. The moneys they would reap would dwarf their rip off lotterys.

 

[oldmantime]

Scoot--It's basically the religious leaders (Fallwell --Robertson and others). The preach that gambling is evil. They believe what they say. They actually want you to give your money to the church. These people --without being accussed of name calling are for the most part Republicans. That is not to say that the Democrats are not any part of it--but these religious nuts support Republicans overwhelmingly!

 

[WildBill]

Those that have gambling don't want competition. Those that have businesses (non-gambling) don't want people spending their money on other things. Those that oppose gambling on moral grounds are quite good at what they do. And most of all, internet gambling doesn't create lots of jobs, through construction and then operation of a casino. And as I pointed out before, unless the tax dollars are outrageous, no one has the nerve to pass gambling. You almost have to have some good cause these days to back gambling. If you say we get $50 million in taxes that isn't good. If you say we get $50 million to build something or pay for something, that has a better chance. Take your pick, but they all play a role.

 

[scott]

oldman..... Fallwell, Robertson and all the other anti gambling moralists are opposed to the other forms of gambling as well, yet the Gov't doesn't pay them even lip service. BUT when it comes to Internet gambling they suddenly listen to these guys? Something else is there.....ScottyS

 

[oldmantime]

Scott--That is very true. However, they make "deals". Concessions if you will. For the most part lotteries money is to go for some good cause --education etc. No-one can argue with that. The Religious leaders are not crazy about it--but they can see the "greater good". Do not think for one second--that they approve. The one exception is the Horse racing industry. For some reason--it has a sort of "romantic: appeal. They hold their nose and sort of go along. BUT DRAW THE LINE IN THE SAND THERE!!! "A stand for God if you will!"

 

[Fishhead]

I can understand having some moral issues to deal with towards sportsbetting perse......and the possible troubles it could cause. Nothing that could not be for the most part be harnessed as is done in some other countries, but can at least somewhat understand some of the naysayers feelings on sportsbetting.

Now casinos, thats different.

I am of the opinion that if there were offerrings of regular CASINO style games on par with the number of Wal-marts in this country, this country would be far better off.

 

[PatPatriot]

You will find the biggest lobby against offshore internet gambling is the coorprate bosses in Vegas...They can't stand gambling outside their state...You will find some of the biggest political whores to vegas come from states that are driving distance to LV.

To give another example of how that works the State of Ma. was considering strong arming Conn. to the tune of 60 mill. a year.If Mass. refrained from building casinos in Mass....Political Sopranos.

 

[GreenDoberman]

Betting shops akin to what they have in Britain are what will happen eventually, with the government keeping a slice of the pie. Of course for savvy gamblers, that means we will stay offshore where better options, lower juice, and bonuses give us an edge.

I can walk two minutes to most major sportsbooks on the Las Vegas Strip, yet I haven't placed a bet in a "legal" sportsbook all year. Until the government understands this, the offshores will thrive.

 

[oldmantime]

That's about the "art of the DEAL". See Donald Trump--101".

One day---we might not live to see it--Sports wagering will be legal across the width and bredth of this land. Either that or Vegas--ie "sin City" will come tumbling down.
As MLK once said: "I may not get there with you".
On the other hand maybe God will win and stop all this sinning!! Oh and I do hope he will eliminate the Stock market while he's doing good for all people!

 

[PatPatriot]

It ought to be up to the states that don't have pro sports at least...What i get a kick out of is the National Football Lottery is against it,knowing full well they would have only about half the intrest in it without betting.

 

[scott]

Wildbill, your point of not creating lots of jobs is a good point that I didn't consider.

The big casino conglomerates in LV couldn't wait to expand to other states and now are going out of the country. They're all for Internet gambling and most have programs already in place just waiting for the Feds to OK it. There wouldn't be competition in the real sense (they would rule) only more $$$ to their bottom lines to my way of thinking. Thanks Bill.....ScottyS

 

[scott]

Patriot, how true. The phony NFL would be the FIRST & loudist to squak if gambling on their games was to cease. TV networks ditto.....ScottyS

 

[oldmantime]

Scott--good thread and great comments here.

I do think that the suits in Vegas do a good job of speaking out of "both sides of their mouth".

Lawyers--rule this country. Take for instance "trial lawyers and the lawsuits" This week the FDA issued a waring to be put on 10 medicines used by psycharist for depression,etc. The same FDA approved these drugs some years ago. Hey--don't think for one second that this is not MONEY $$$$ driven. After all people taking thses meds ARE iwould guess more prone to suicide. But--there must have been a few cases and the big drug companies had to pay big $$$. Now we see the Warning!!!
IT's a joke folks----Money--Money Money---Why ya leave me hanging!