I dont beleive in the term "Bonus Whore"...

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SportSavant said:
you are totally offbase here, anyone with a tiny semblance of intelligence can easily complete the rollover... that doesnt mean that you will necessarilly win at the Book in Question.... You never really know where your money may go to be honest, & yes, that is a Risk.......

BUT COMPLETING THE ROLLOVER IS EASY... & GUESS WHAT, YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO PICK WINNERS TO DO IT!!!!:digit:

That is specifically why i asked you to explain yourself...Making a generalized non specific statement like that doest not help your argument in any sense!!!
 

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redpimp said:
you are off base... I think by specifying that i use 5 standard books, that should have given you the hint that i take line shopping seriously!!! And that is far different from wasting my time posting up at some shoddy book being touted on here that i never heard of simply because some proffessional shill on the Rx claims its worth it!!!


redpimp, out of your top 5 shops, what are there best lines on Clevland, Cincy & Kansas CIty this week in the NFL?



p.s: what you are not quite understanding is that 85% of my bankroll is in those top 5 you speak about aswell.....

with my other 15% I am always looking for new outs, sampling different services, like a restaurant critique per say. sometimes I find something I like, & I stay there. 5 outs, IMO is not enough for line shopping.
 

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redpimp said:
That is specifically why i asked you to explain yourself...Making a generalized non specific statement like that doest not help your argument in any sense!!!



redpimp....

cincy answered for me in his reply....

please tell me what the best line you can get on those three games I mentioned above....
 

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cincy_ said:
So what do you think of line shopping?

You talk about a "miserable $100", so

a) Do you think that taking advantage of a "miserable half-point" is worth it?

b) Is it worth laying a bet at -107 instead of -110 on a dime wager for $30? (If $100 was "miserable", what does that make $30?)

c) Is it ok to scalp a game for $20 to $40 because you got -112 at one shop and +114 at another?

d) Is it ok to effectively reduce the vig to from -136 to say - 114 on your bet by scalping?

The bottom line is the bottom line. If a book offers me a bonus, it means I am playing with reduced vig. It is that simple. If another book offers me another bonus, I move over to that book and wager with reduced vig. As long as the books are safe, there is no such thing as a "worthless risk".

PS: That being said, would I ever play at BCN or Royal? No - because I wouldn't feel safe, and peace of mind is very important to me. Also, I would never play at BOS simply because I do not believe in playing with people who have been identified as (insert whatever).

For those new to wagering you may want to read this post a couple of times. Most long term successful gamblers try to take advantage of every +ev opportunity available to them. Maybe red is independently wealthy and an extra $400 on wagers he was going to make anyway doesn't mean anything to him, nor an extra 10 or 20c you can get by line shopping but it adds up very very quickly and over the course of months and years, depending on how much you wager, it can be a significant amount money. Also you can do this while being a gentleman and not cheating anyone. Make your wagers, don't take shots, complete your rollover + some, give the book additional business, and speak up for the ones that have treated you well.
 

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redpimp said:
you are off base... I think by specifying that i use 5 standard books, that should have given you the hint that i take line shopping seriously!!! And that is far different from wasting my time posting up at some shoddy book being touted on here that i never heard of simply because some proffessional shill on the Rx claims its worth it!!!

red, are there only 5 books offshore worth playing at? Please list them for me.
 

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Ok red, I'm gonna type this slow for you, tell me how its a bad deal if you deposit $2,000 at another sportsbook, receive a 20% bonus that gives you $400 cash. (with me so far?, I'm not going too fast yet am I) You only play there if you get a number that is as good or better than the 5 books YOU normally play at(still with me). Regardless of what rollover is, say its 10X, if you are not playing numbers worse than your normal books and making your normal wagers, when you have met your rollover you have an extra $400 that you wouldn't have had if you were only playing at your normal books. Does that make any sense to you? If not don't worry about it..:toast:


Actually you are the one who doesnt understand much about the advertising gimmick called the "bonus" by pretty much every book uses.. You seem to be under the false impression that there is such a thing as free money. When infact if one were to challenge this weak thinking and asked you to put your theories on actual practice in a real book you would find out quickly that there is a reason why books have been around a long time and bad gamblers like you always fall into their traps. To meet the roll over requirements you have to win there are no two ways about it. If you dont meet the requirements, you dont get the money its that simple and clear. If you can meet the requirements you sure as hell can win that money at your other books with the comfort of mind that you will get paid when you win and that you are not dealing with scam artists. A quality i value at way over a miserable $100. But this is something you wouldnt understand (Dont try to sell me that crap about how you play on half point or even full point differentials at your new book, It would probably take you a full betting season to even ever realize such numbers, and if you say otherwise just let me know. You can post your plays and prove me wrong then i will shut up if you wish to argue that point)..

Bonuses are for squares and bad gamblers and casinos shall eternally remain thankful for people like you who sell empty promises and out and out lies!
 

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i guess ur not gonna tell me what the best line you can find at those 3 NFL games I mentioned above... r u?
 

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degenerategambler said:
red, are there only 5 books offshore worth playing at? Please list them for me.

I dont see the point in this question. Just because i said i play at five books it does not the same as saying there are only five books worth playing at...(its you having a problem comprehending simple english statements).

However, there is a short list of books i would consider i sure as hell wouldnt be caught dead gambling at that book that stiffed people on that baseball wager regarding that team that had ridiculous odds to win the division and they went off on a ridiculous winning streak. As Fishead your fellow bonus whore, he sent them a stern letter regarding the issue after sending hapless gamblers to that questionable book...Be sure to ask those who got ripped off how they felt about the "bonuses"
 

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SportSavant said:
redpimp, out of your top 5 shops, what are there best lines on Clevland, Cincy & Kansas CIty this week in the NFL?



p.s: what you are not quite understanding is that 85% of my bankroll is in those top 5 you speak about aswell.....

with my other 15% I am always looking for new outs, sampling different services, like a restaurant critique per say. sometimes I find something I like, & I stay there. 5 outs, IMO is not enough for line shopping.

up until you eat that bad oyster and endup in the hospital losing more money that the actual cost of the meal due to down time and hospital bills not to mention the actual pain and ill effects of the sickness!!!!

Let me look up those lines and i will let you know!!!
 

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Clev-13.5

cincy-3

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Kc+3

You are probably unaware at the time you posted that question that i have disproven this bogus theory you are chasing i will gladly use it again to brow beat you and expose the myths you are selling.
 
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redpimp said:
up until you eat that bad oyster and endup in the hospital losing more money that the actual cost of the meal due to down time and hospital bills not to mention the actual pain and ill effects of the sickness!!!!

Let me look up those lines and i will let you know!!!

You took the words right out of mouth.
SS , a whore will F anybody for money,right?
You'll signup with anybody if the bonus is right?
Whats that make you?
 

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redpimp said:
Clev-13.5

cincy-3

and

Kc+3

You are probably unaware at the time you posted that question that i have disproven this bogus theory you are chasing i will gladly use it again to brow beat you and expose the myths you are selling.

not very relevent if you dont post the VIG involved.....

But I will explain anyway, I took the 100$ for 100$ offer at nine.com, I am not really bothered by low limits cauz I normally bet 100$ to 300$ anyway. Today, (Tuesday) they have a lay -105 special..... anyway, they have the best line I have seen on those 3 games above....

note: only a very small portion of my bankroll is there, after all I only sent a few hundred dollars to give em a shot..... But why not take The Bengals at -2.5 -113 if I like them? Remember, am only splitting 15% of bankroll among 2nd & third tier shops.....

at the end of the day, it is a simple Risk vs Reward scenerio.... I dont mind having 2 or 3K spread around more questionable books to get bonues & promotions that are not available at the BIG books....

besides, there are way way more than 5 books that are honourable & that pay.
 
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red, no problem, best of luck to you. If you don't see the value of playing at different books and the rewards that may offer so be it. If you only use 5 books, you are missing out on many top tier books that offer incentives, with no risk to funds. Personally, I would have to lose a significant portion of my bankroll on a bad oyster to offset the gains I have made over the last couple of years with the books incentives. And at this stage I only have a small % of my bankroll at shops that would be less than tier 1, risk reward ratio is very much in my favor. Your risk tolerance is less, so be it, your returns will be less as well. To each their own......GL
 

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GREENHEAD said:
You took the words right out of mouth.
SS , a whore will F anybody for money,right?
You'll signup with anybody if the bonus is right?
Whats that make you?

greenhead, do you ever take advantage of a sale offered in the newspaper? If its a good or service that you regularly use and its 20 or 30% off, would you not take advantage of that? The store wants you to shop there, thats why they offer the promotion. If you go to the store pay them what they've asked, are you a whore?
 
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greenhead, do you ever take advantage of a sale offered in the newspaper? If its a good or service that you regularly use and its 20 or 30% off, would you not take advantage of that? The store wants you to shop there, thats why they offer the promotion. If you go to the store pay them what they've asked, are you a whore?

Terrible hypothetical-greenhead
 

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not very relevent if you dont post the VIG involved.....

But I will explain anyway, I took the 100$ for 100$ offer at nine.com, I am not really bothered by low limits cauz I normally bet 100$ to 300$ anyway. Today, (Tuesday) they have a lay -105 special..... anyway, they have the best line I have seen on those 3 games above....

note: only a very small portion of my bankroll is there, after all I only sent a few hundred dollars to give em a shot..... But why not take The Bengals at -2.5 -113 if I like them? Remember, am only splitting 15% of bankroll among 2nd & third tier shops.....

at the end of the day, it is a simple Risk vs Reward scenerio.... I dont mind having 2 or 3K spread around more questionable books to get bonues & promotions that are not available at the BIG books....

besides, there are way way more than 5 books that are honourable & that pay.


Well i am bothered by low limits.. I cant even waste time with a book like this. Some one was just complaining about it the other day.. They told him that they were monitoring his play to find out if he is a sharp!!!!


Hey buddy if you play at such shit books, have fun, and enjoy yourself but dont try to sell me crap like that because apparently you get games at 105!!!!
I cant even see myself getting into an argument with some one citing such a shit book for an example!!!

Nine f@cking dot com????? Are you kidding me? :monsters-



This guy has single handedly proved me right!!! Bonus whores are just that!!!

people who will f@ck with any book with the remote promise of $100...
 

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GREENHEAD said:
Terrible hypothetical-greenhead

Its apples to apples for me. I wager and I am looking for the best value with my money and my wagers off shore, same difference to me and many others I would imagine. Your entitled to your opinion.
 

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Seems to me if you are putting your money at risk and are forced to roll it over a certain amount of times, how could you possibly be a whore? There's no guarantee of winning the games you bet! By making you rollover your money multiple times, you are exposing yourself to the risks/rewards of sports betting. If you meet their requirements and still have money left I say Hurrah! to the player!
 

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