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Between now and Jan. 20, when Donald Trump takes the oath of office as America’s 45th president, many Americans will wish for him to be a successful president.
Not me.

I don’t want Trump to succeed. I want him to fail spectacularly.

I say this not because I don’t accept the outcome of last week’s election or because I don’t recognize him as my president. Trump won fair and square and will be the president for at least the next four years.

But make no mistake — success for Trump would be a disaster for America. If his campaign promises are to be taken at face value, his success would mean that tens of millions of Americans may lose health care insurance. It would mean a step back on fighting climate change that could have a catastrophic, even apocalyptic effect on the planet. It would mean a shredded social safety net and little federal attention to voting restrictions and structural racism in America’s criminal justice system. It would mean global instability and a weakening of American’s leadership role in the world. It would mean acquiescence to an assertive Russia and a weakening of the international institutions that help to maintain global order. It would mean disastrous trade wars and a domestic agenda that would do more to harm the people who voted for Trump than help them. It would mean mass deportation — and a humanitarian catastrophe — for millions of undocumented immigrants.


And even if Trump were inclined to reverse the threadbare policy positions, any kind of success for Trump means a tacit acceptance of the hatred and mistrust that he has sown in this nation over the past 16 months. It would mean making acceptable nativist, racist, and xenophobic hate. It would mean that the Trump supporters who have over the past week spray-painted swastikas on churches and schools or publicly accosted women, Jews, and people of color would be validated. It would mean looking the other way at misogyny and sexual assault and the mocking of the disabled. And it would mean zero accountability for a politician who has not only violated every imaginable democratic norm, but who lies and deceives practically every time he opens his mouth.
Success for Trump means normalizing the ascendancy of Stephen Bannon to a position of extraordinary political power within the halls of the White House. Under Bannon, the right-wing Breitbart News became the forum for white nationalists, Islamophobes, misogynists, and anti-Semites. You hear lots of people talking about the need for Americans to come together over the next few weeks and months. But how, as a Jewish-American, am I supposed to “come together” with a president who holds me in such disrespect that he appoints an anti-Semite to a position of such political power? I can’t, and I won’t.
What gives me fleeting hope is the knowledge that millions of Americans — a majority even — feel as I do. They are angry. They are scared for the future. They are holding their children just a little tighter and perhaps looking over their shoulders in ways they hadn’t done before. Like me, these Americans want Trump to fail. They want him to be rejected and have his ugly vision of American defeated. For many of them, Trump’s success is an existential threat.
During the campaign — at the same time that I was habitually wrong about the outcome of the election — I wrote repeatedly of the direct threat that Trump represented to our democracy. My fear is as palpable today as it was then. If Trump wants to take back the terrible things he said during the campaign or moderate his positions or even accept his own limitations, I’ll be the first to applaud it. But barring such an event, what America needs today is not acquiescence to Trump, but impassioned, principled, and consistent opposition. That will be my charge for the next four years.
 

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they're simply not smart enough to comprehend that if he succeeds, none of his concerns are realized

if this idiot reporter's fears are realized, the Trump failed just like Obama failed

it's genetics people
 

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I believe the fears many liberals, Blacks, Muslims feel are real. I just think the actual danger is much less than their fears. I certainly didn't vote for Trump in hopes of seeing the development of any of the above. There will always be nuts painting swastikas on walls. Are they more dangerous than 1,000 people marching through LA screaming "not my president!" in a protest with 277 Mexican flags being waved? Certainly some of the leaders of these protests are further alt.Left than most Trump supporters are Right.

Just ask Vit. He'll tell you. I'm above the fray :)
 

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I believe the fears many liberals, Blacks, Muslims feel are real. I just think the actual danger is much less than their fears. I certainly didn't vote for Trump in hopes of seeing the development of any of the above. There will always be nuts painting swastikas on walls. Are they more dangerous than 1,000 people marching through LA screaming "not my president!" in a protest with 277 Mexican flags being waved? Certainly some of the leaders of these protests are further alt.Left than most Trump supporters are Right.

Just ask Vit. He'll tell you. I'm above the fray :)

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I believe the fears many liberals, Blacks, Muslims feel are real. I just think the actual danger is much less than their fears. I certainly didn't vote for Trump in hopes of seeing the development of any of the above. There will always be nuts painting swastikas on walls. Are they more dangerous than 1,000 people marching through LA screaming "not my president!" in a protest with 277 Mexican flags being waved? Certainly some of the leaders of these protests are further alt.Left than most Trump supporters are Right.

Just ask Vit. He'll tell you. I'm above the fray :)

I'd agree with you on the bold, but that's the danger of welcoming Bannon and his embrace of the alt-Right. I'm fairly confident that Bannon and Trump don't actually believe in white-nationalism, but they've legitimized it and allowed guys like David Duke to believe that a Trump administration is going to bring them back to glory. If David Duke believes it, why shouldn't liberals and minorities? Add on the fact that they've already admitted to keeping a list of enemies and you start to see Donald has an authoritarian bent. I'm not sure how anyone who supports liberty can feel good about the start of this administration.
 

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they're simply not smart enough to comprehend that if he succeeds, none of his concerns are realized

That's not true- specifically as it relates to concerns about healthcare, climate and human rights. As it relates to the economy or world stability perhaps.
 

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I'd agree with you on the bold, but that's the danger of welcoming Bannon and his embrace of the alt-Right. I'm fairly confident that Bannon and Trump don't actually believe in white-nationalism, but they've legitimized it and allowed guys like David Duke to believe that a Trump administration is going to bring them back to glory. If David Duke believes it, why shouldn't liberals and minorities? Add on the fact that they've already admitted to keeping a list of enemies and you start to see Donald has an authoritarian bent. I'm not sure how anyone who supports liberty can feel good about the start of this administration.


Great post, although disagree on Bannon.
 

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And how is this any different that what the Republicans vowed when Obama was elected?
 

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"They are holding their children just a little tighter and perhaps looking over their shoulders in ways they hadn’t done before."

You mean like the way Americans have been doing amid invasions of non English speaking illegals and emboldened rioters and cop killers? You idiot hack!
 
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"They are holding their children just a little tighter and perhaps looking over their shoulders in ways they hadn’t done before."

You mean like the way Americans have been doing amid invasions of non English speaking illegals and emboldened rioters and cop killers? You idiot hack!

Right on time with the Alt-Right talking points.
 

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The irony down here has been stunning over the last week.

And how is this any different that what the Republicans vowed when Obama was elected?

everybody hoped for the best in 2008, the main stream media wasn't publishing this type of hogwash AND we weren't rioting in the streets

I know both of you like to claim you're independent, lots of left leaning thinkers say such since they think they write the rules and get to define the center, butt these types of false equivalency arguments are a very left wing thing
 

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Willie- everyone didn't hope for the best in 2008. The Republicans vowed to make Obama fail. And for the most part they succeeded.

And the BIG difference with Trump is he ran, among other things, a campaign that was bigoted. No other candidate (republican or democrat) in recent history has been that extreme. Keep in mind only 25% of this country voted for him. He lost the popular vote by a million votes when it's all said and done. He has disenfranchised many Americans and as Americans they have the right to protest.
 

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everybody hoped for the best in 2008, the main stream media wasn't publishing this type of hogwash AND we weren't rioting in the streets

I know both of you like to claim you're independent, lots of left leaning thinkers say such since they think they write the rules and get to define the center, butt these types of false equivalency arguments are a very left wing thing
All will be well when those two finally reach stage five of their grief.
 

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Willie- everyone didn't hope for the best in 2008. The Republicans vowed to make Obama fail. And for the most part they succeeded.

And the BIG difference with Trump is he ran, among other things, a campaign that was bigoted. No other candidate (republican or democrat) in recent history has been that extreme. Keep in mind only 25% of this country voted for him. He lost the popular vote by a million votes when it's all said and done. He has disenfranchised many Americans and as Americans they have the right to protest.

Obama passed his stimulus, it failed

Obama passed his ACA, it failed

Obama never once tried to build a bipartisan coalition for anything, it led to his failure

It was Obama's stimulus and Obamacare that led to Republicans taking control of Congress in 2010, he proved he was not worthy of such power

there's no comparison between how the two parties reacted in 2008 and 2016


Trump is not the man our media has told you he is, time will tell who's right
 

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“The Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. [Patrick] Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. [Lenora] Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep.”
— Trump, in a statement saying he will not accept the Reform Party nomination for president, Feb. 13, 2000
NBC’s Matt Lauer: “When you say the [Reform] party is self-destructing, what do you see as the biggest problem with the Reform Party right now?”
Trump: “Well, you’ve got David Duke just joined — a bigot, a racist, a problem. I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party.”
—remarks on NBC’s “Today Show,” Feb. 14, 2000
 

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