I am fairly certain that *SIRBET CASINO* cheats...

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...although I can't, and probably will never be able to prove it definitively, I have pretty damn good circumstantial evidence to show that that is so.

Over the course of about 4 days this week, I made some $22,000 playing blackjack on SIRBET, (mixed with a smattering of sports betting, but the majority of the money was won through BJ.) I didn't count cards (the site claims to "shuffle" between every hand), nor did I win every hand -- I merely played with perfect basic strategy and won a lot more hands than I lost. With a maximum of only $250 per hand, you can imagine that it took quite a while to build up such a bankroll. I would generally play however many hands it took to make a few hundred dollars -- whether that was two or three hands or several dozen more -- quit, and then come back a few hours later and try again.

Needless to say, I was anxious to withdraw this money as soon as possible. Unfortunately, Sirbet only permits you to withdraw $2500 at a time to Neteller. Withdrawals generally take several hours, during which time no other withdrawal requests can be made. That ensures that your money stays in the account -- available for the playing for perhaps longer than the undisciplined gambler would like.

Wednesday evening I put in my request for my third withdrawal of $2500, which was received in my Neteller account on Thursday morning. I proceeded to play a little more blackjack...and suddenly discovered that my luck had changed drastically. Whereas before, quitting at the right time would ensure that I could end a sequence of hands one or two hands up -- now, suddenly, I was 25 hands under .500 in a sequence of 75 hands. For five or six sequences I lost an inordinate number of hands while playing with the exact same basic strategy that had ensured modest, but consistent gains over the past several days.

Can I absolutely prove beyond a doubt that they were tinkering with the hands? No. Is it possible that the law of averages finally caught up with me? Absolutely. But it strikes me as _EXTREMELY_ unlikely that one could go through, say, a dozen sequences in which wins and losses vascillated (but during each of which there was SOME point at which I was over .500) to suddenly losing two-thirds of my hands in every sequence on one particular day. Couple that with the fact that that one particular day came after I started withdrawing large sums of money, and the fact that that day was NFL opening day, a day on which they probably shore up their records and prepare for big NFL action, and I think you have ample reason for suspicion.

Am I an idiot for continuing to play after making $22,000? Of course I am -- especially after I noticed that the loss rate had jumped exponentially on Thursday. As soon as I lost a couple thousand dollars I should have taken the money and run. But I'm a gambler, I'm addicted, they know that and they take advantage of that. So I lost some $15,000 in a few hundred hands. Let my experience be a lesson to you to never, ever trust an online casino.

There is absolutely no way for any of us to know what is going on with these people and their software in some remote corner of Curacao, or Netherlands Antilles, or whatever country with nebulous gambling laws these shady folk set up shop in. Even if their software is found to be random, who's to say that the operators don't have an escape clause that allows them to manipulate hands for players who win too much? I'll never be able to prove my claim, but it seems apparent that when a system that provides generally random results over an extended period of thousands of hands -- with even a bit of an edge to the player -- suddenly has you going on insane losing streaks you never experienced in the thousands of hands prior, there's definitely reason for suspicion.

Who IS monitoring these guys anyway?

Questions? Comments? I don't know if The Rx's mediation efforts extend to 'post-game analysis' of the integrity of casino software, but I'd be curious to see if anything conclusive can be determined.
 

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>So I lost some $15,000 in a few hundred hands.

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Unbelievable...
 

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Dogs24, go to Winneronline and check for history of Sirbet casinos. Also check to see what software they use. Most smart software providers program their software to run streaky to insure to capture the bettor.

When winning, most gamblers increase bets and keep on betting..and when they start losing they try to get back to the platform where they were when they are winning. This is when those infamous online casino losing streeks happen.

go to True Gambler and click on their Microgaming, Random Logic, and Odd-On Software Research Data Results to see how they analyzed millions of hands of bj and what probabilities of random cards being dealt are.
 

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Jateeluv --

I looked on Winneronline, and the only thing I could find was an article dated June 19 that says that IGW (the software that runs Sirbet) will soon be using Parlay Entertainment Limited's software to run their online casinos.

Whether that agreement was actually implemented, I have no idea...but regardless, who's checking to make sure either IGW or Parlay is on the up and up?
 

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nobody is checking the software ..

truegambler tests software from using 200 gamblers data that downloaded their software.

www.wizardofodds.com Michael Shackleford tests software from time to time. I suggest going to his website and asking him. He answers emails alot.
 

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Great report and sorry for your loss. However, I too, found the same bad luck once I requested a partial withdrawal of my winnings from many online casinos.

It seems that once a withdrawal is made on your account that luck seems to drastically change. Now, I didn't play with the sum of money you did but thought it was interesting that you came across the same type of luck I did once you withdrew some of your money.

Never will prove it, and I played at a variety of casinos using different software.

Very interesting....
 

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SA just said the same thing I was going to say. And thus, I stay away from a casino when Ive received a payout from them. Also, SA, out of all the casinos youve played at, do you have one in particular that seems fair? or do they all pretty much run streaky?

DOGS24,,not sure if youve ever played blackjack at BODOG but they go up to 500 per hand and give a rebate on net losses. Ive never seen a program deal more blackjacks for the player and the dealer on the same hand as this place though.
 

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One of the only online casinos I trust is The Gold Casino. They also have incredily loose BJ from my own experience, ditto slots and hold 'em I am told.

However, you'll need an e-gold account to play there, as they do not screw around with credit cards, WU etc.


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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>However, you'll need an http://www.e-gold.com account to play there, as they do not screw around with credit cards, WU etc.


Phaedrus<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Could you please make a post with out e-gold in it?
 

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You won 22k and could of cashed out then.

WTF?????

I can honestly say I don't think I ever seen someone win 22 dimes and complain after they lost back 15 dimes of it.

Your a fvcking idiot for not quitting and cashing out. Your even more stupid for posting here how much of an idiot you are.
 

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If I was them and I read this post I would send you an e-mail that said something like...

Thanks for playing with us and here is your winnings. Let me ask you sir WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE SAID IF YOU LOST?

Sirbet
 

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All Virtual casino's are extremely dangerous!!! I would advise everyone to stay away!... I personally have seen some one win 30,000 in 2 days, playing Blackjack...and then give it all back the next day....in the losing streak he managed to lose a unbelievable 18 hands in a row...I couldnt even imagine the true odds of that happening!!!
 

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For you to win 22k the casino was rigged the wrong way. For you to start losing the 22k the casino was rigged the proper way.
 

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Krackman --

You're right. I should've cashed out. There's no question that I'm an idiot for continuing to play.

However, as I mentioned above, Sirbet has a policy of processing only *ONE* withdrawal at a time, and the maximum you can withdraw with Neteller is $2500. As each withdrawal takes about a day to process, it would've taken me 9 days to withdraw the whole thing. I got three withdrawals out, and then got burned before I could get my hands on the rest.
 

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You got burned because you got greedy. You should have taken your 9 payouts and sprinted to the door.
 

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Dogs …

Gambling – and specifically a casino table game like blackjack – is an activity defined by streaks. You experienced an amazing streak of good luck when you ran your bankroll up to 22 dimes. You then experienced an equally amazing streak of bad luck when you gave a big chunk back. Nothing particularly outstanding though … statistically speaking. Streaks like that happen everyday.

Successful gamblers remain disciplined enough to stop when they’re ahead … before playing too long into a losing streak. Blaming SirBet’s cash out policy for your admitted lack of discipline is a bit farfetched IMO. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Better luck next time.

[This message was edited by JoeWager on September 05, 2003 at 01:54 PM.]
 

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LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, THIS GUY WON AND HE'S BITCHING. I VERY RARELLY POST BUT THIS IS ALMOST LAUGHABLE. WHAT A MORON.
 

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