How the IMF, WTO and World Bank keep nations poor

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It's common knowledge the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, and World Trade Organisation have a big hand in the distribution of the world's wealth, in deciding who's rich and who's not. But who are they and who controls them?

For starters 48 per cent of voting power at the IMF is in the hands of eight executive directors representing their own countries (USA, Japan, Germany, France, United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia, China, and the Russian Federation) while the other 176 member-states have 16 representatives with virtually the same voting power. At the WB the same executive nations apart from China again hold nearly half (46 per cent) of voting power. In the WTO, although all 144 member nations theoretically have a say, actual decision-making occurs in the "green room" - the small group meetings convened by the director-general and heavily influenced by Canada, the European Union, Japan and the United States. None of the countries listed above is in the southern hemisphere, and none is a 'developing' (poorer) country.

Not one member of the boards of directors in the IMF is a woman, and 92 per cent of board members at the WB are male. By convention Europeans select the director of IMF and the US government selects the head of the WB. 'Other countries and critics rightly brand the process as undemocratic and insufficiently accountable', the United Nations Human Development Report 2002 [HDR] comments.

Incidentally, to belabour the point, the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council are USA, France, UK, Russia and China.

These decision-making arrangements are particularly important considering that eradicating, or at least alleviating, poverty in developing countries is part of the specific mandate of these finance and trade organisations. But in the past three decades or so global economic inequality has increased, and there has been very little change in the pattern of g**** poverty, especially in the hardest hit regions of the world, according to recent United Nations and other research reports.

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Today the IMF and WB lend exclusively to developing and emerging economies. Furthermore, their loans are linked to conditions that increasingly impinge on the domestic policies of the state. The result is that lending countries 'enjoy increased decision-making power and use it to expand the conditions they impose on borrowing countries, while the latter experience the conditions as externally imposed and therefore outside their own control'. [Privatisation of Bolivia's entire water supply, including rain water, by a San Fran company, for example.] This can be 'particularly worrisome' when there is considerable difference of opinion on policy advice, and when the risks associated with the advice are mostly carried by the people of the borrowing country.

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Members of the IMF do not have equal voting power. Voting weights are based on two components: each member has an equal set of 250 basic votes that come with membership, and the second component is a percentage of votes that reflect economic size. Therefore voting strength favours rich economies: the USA has 17 per cent of voting power, Germany 6 per cent, UK 5 per cent, compared with, for example, one group of 23 sub-Saharan African countries with a total voting power of only one per cent.

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erious gaps in transparency remain, reports HDR. The most noticeable are: minutes of WB and IMF executive board meetings are not published, votes are not taken and so cannot be recorded or publicized, and therefore citizens of member countries (or interested outsiders) cannot hold executive directors or their governments accountable for their policies.

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WTO claims to base its work on 'Non-discrimination, transparency and predictability' and that 'decisions are made by the entire membership, typically by consensus', but while most countries have a seat at the WTO, the backroom deals among powerful states that underpin 'consensus' have led to frequent complaints. The WTO is accused of being one of the least transparent international organizations, largely because few developing country members are able to participate effectively. In reality conclusions are reached by the General Council and major decisions endorsed at ministerial conferences held every two years.

In 2000 as many as 15 African countries did not have a representative at WTO headquarters in Geneva (where it has a staff of 560), while Mauritius, a very small country, had five.

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[P]arliamentarians and politicians seem ignorant of important WTO negotiations, even when their countries are compelled to change policies - sometimes substantially - based on WTO agreements. Recently, however, civil society groups from both developing and industrial countries have become heavily involved in WTO issues. Labour unions and groups focused on development, poverty and the environment have sought to use the WTO to further their causes. The WTO is 'feeling their influence, not so much as a result of NGO activity within the WTO but because of highly public criticism levelled against it' which, for example, closed down the Seattle meeting. In 1993 in Bangalore, India, a rally of 500,000 farmers pledged to defy the WTO's Uruguay Round agreements. Twenty-five farmers' groups in France held large protests against the WTO's agriculture agreement. Environmental and consumer groups have highlighted threats to environmental and food safety standards from WTO agreements. As a result of these and other efforts, the WTO secretariat and many WTO members have begun to work with civil society organizations more directly, contributing to dialogue on policy and negotiating processes within the WTO.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/bwi-wto/imf/2002/0925loot.htm
 
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Explain to me, how it is that a country that is barely 200yrs old can lead the advancement of mankind,

yet other countries that are thousands and thousands of years old with infintely more resources AKA oil,

are still stuck in the caveman days?

Must be that oppression from a country who's own existence is a teeny fraction of the allegedly oppressed.

If you ever formulate an original thought post it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> It's common knowledge the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, and World Trade Organisation have a big hand in the distribution of the world's wealth, in deciding who's rich and who's not. But who are they and who controls them?
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Really any of them put oil under the middle east? How about the thousands of years the earth existed before these organizations? Maybe when us the US taxpayers sign the next hundrded billion dollar aide package we shouldn't afterall who wants to be associated with an oppressor.
 

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I'd call you a completely unfeeling jackass, but I'm guessing that wouldn't qualify for 'original thought' status, either.

To respond to your points:

The age of a nation is not part of the criterion for voting weights at any of the above-mentioned institutions, so I'm not sure why that popped into your head. I presume that you are using the age-old belief system that the Western nations (although I think you point to the US, specifically in your reference) are the leaders of social Darwinism. To counter that would lead us into a debate about what defines 'advancement of mankind' so let's presume that we disagree on this.

How or why Western nations ended up at the top of the money heap has always been based on much exploitation. In North America, specifically, Europeans essentially robbed Natives of their land, claimed it for their own, and handed it out. Can you imagine if the whole of Africa showed up here one day and gave an Ethiopian your house? Robbing the poor to pay the rich has for centuries been the way that feudal system, monarchies, colonies, empires, etc. have created their own wealth systems. The organisations mentioned in that article are little different ... the major difference between them is that they have some degree of representation and thus are able to portray themselves as seemingly democratic.

If you actually read the article, you'd see that they are not.
 
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There is not an original thought in this entire post, merely regurgitating the same bullshit that has already been brought to light ad nauseum.

To respond to your points:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The age of a nation is not part of the criterion for voting weights at any of the above-mentioned institutions, so I'm not sure why that popped into your head.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It popped into my head because I find it interesting that there is exactly one super power left on earth and it happens to be less than 300yrs old. So all these oppressed countries have been around many multiples of centuries, and yet somehow it is the US taxpayer that spends billions and billions of dollars annually aiding them.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I presume that you are using the age-old belief system that the Western nations (although I think you point to the US, specifically in your reference) are the leaders of social Darwinism. To counter that would lead us into a debate about what defines 'advancement of mankind' so let's presume that we disagree on this. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't be an idiot, "advancement of mankind" begins with life span and ends with lifestyle. The term medical breakthrough is almost exclusively an American term now, and Bill Gates did more for mankind than 1000 mother Theresa's ever could have.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>How or why Western nations ended up at the top of the money heap has always been based on much exploitation.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please stop being an idiot, the middle east has enough resources to dwarf western civilization on a per capita basis, the reason they don't is from within, has absolutely phucking zero to do with any outside exploitation.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>In North America, specifically, Europeans essentially robbed Natives of their land, claimed it for their own, and handed it out.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

any mention of Indians in the original post about the IMF et al? Nah but we need some loose analogy to tie in for relevance. What happened in Saudi Arabia, did someone come in and exploit thereby stunting growth and develoment? Why isn't SA a super power? Try staying on subject.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Can you imagine if the whole of Africa showed up here one day and gave an Ethiopian your house?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't fathom living in uninhabitable conditions, I would move, I wouldn't continue throwing good money into a pit that has repeatedly shown zero return.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Robbing the poor to pay the rich has for centuries been the way that feudal system, monarchies, colonies, empires, etc. have created their own wealth systems. The organisations mentioned in that article are little different ... the major difference between them is that they have some degree of representation and thus are able to portray themselves as seemingly democratic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

notify me at the first original thought, somehow we support the world via donations, our currency and massive food charity and yet we are oppressing the poor, how may times you think South American debt should just be wiped clean? You're an embarrassment to our race, even suggesting for a mini-second that we are responsible for the conditions of places like Ethiopia.

Get back to me as soon as you have a plasuible explanation why it is that there is one super power left on earth which also happens to be a fraction of the age of resource rich poverty stricken areas such as those found in the middle east.



Try thinking for yourself and not adopting other's ideas as your own.
 

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Since the majority of nations in the Middle East are not a member of the WTO, nor receive loans from the IMF or the World Bank, it is not these countries that are referred to in either the article that I posted nor the arguments that I make regarding Western-led international organisations.

When we discuss impoverished countries in this context, we are referring to countries such as El Salvador, Bangladesh, Indonesia, etc. who do not reside on a plethora of oil.

As I mentioned in another thread, when the liberation of Iraq began, Bush called upon its lending nations to relieve the debts owed by Iraq (now the US, in theory) as no argument can be made about the enormous burden placed upon a nation due to high interest payments. South American nations, among others, could be granted interest relief for a time to allow a rebuilding of their infrastructure. At the very least, the World Bank and IMF could stop requiring nations to include tie-ins with their loans such as the privatisation of their infrastructures, notoriously purchased by the rich nations.

If your view of world poverty is to be held to such a narrow assessment as 'well, they've had thousands of years to get out of it' then there is little point discussing any of this with you. Obviously you do not feel that these countries deserve equal representation on the issues of globalisation, as their status as non-superpowers renders them exempt from equality. I, on the other hand, believe that rich nations are in a remarkable position to spread their wealth, as you mention briefly in your Bill Gates example. Simply donating aid is only one opportunity ... limiting the barriers, such as import tarrifs and domestic subsidies, to free trade to within our borders would be another. We are making it impossible for these countries to compete ... the fact that you live within the borders of a superpower should compel you to understand the virtues of a birthright ...

Then again, who am I to judge the notions of such an original thinker as yourself?
 

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xpanda,

The time you wasted responding to this guy is like 10 minutes you'll never have back.....
 

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X...This is a little simplistic but if some countries that are thousand of years old and haven't advanced themselves (for a lot of reasons not always their own) isn't this similar to seeing that the welfare mom and dad not be spending their free checks on whiskey and butts?...Or that a buisness loan from a bank is not being spent on a prop bet at Olympic?
 

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Saddams answer to crippling debt was to tell them (The banks) to piss off.

He had plenty of oil he could sell to places like Jordan on the black market for hard currency + goods.
He could have kept going for decades.

and then 250,000 heavily armed baliffs kicked his front door in...
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>When we discuss impoverished countries in this context, we are referring to countries such as El Salvador, Bangladesh, Indonesia, etc. who do not reside on a plethora of oil.
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Let's talk about Indonesia. When the japan economy started to tank in the late 80's, early 90's, rates in asia collapsed. There was alot of cheap money around, this money was spent in places like Indonesia, home of some of the state of the art machinery this world has ever seen.

At one point in the mid 90's finished goods were being shipped to the USA of higher quality, at a lesser price than US manufacturers could even buy the raw materials.

Commodity type goods, like copy paper, tape, things of that nature.

10yrs later? The country is on the verge of revolution.



So they had a huge manufacturing edge, thanks to cheap asian financing building state of the art manufacturing, little to no pollution or wage controls and yet here we are again on the vegre of civil war.

Yea that's a good place to be sending money.
If I have time maybe I will educate you abt Bangladesh and El Salvador next.
 

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Voting power in each of these organizations is merely reflective of the amount of money that is given to them. Can you really blame countries for wanting a say in how their money is spent?

Personally I think all these organizations would do better being researchers and eventual champions of particular causes. By giving them money and resources up front they often try to do too much and of course the results won't be as good as people hope. Most money in developing countries isn't well spent when it is directed from Washington or Brussels. People that live on the ground and find solutions with local people are the key. When these people find solutions, they should write them up and then make a presentation for funds. All the rich countries are fairly generous with their money and I suspect would be even more generous when they see projects sold to them instead of just sending money and then later finding out what is being done with it. Just my thoughts on it, but I don't think any of these NGOs can do much more than just alleviate a small bit of poverty in the world.
 

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