how should this prop be graded?

[ethan]

First team to call a fair catch It was the Pats, just Brown dropped the ball. The play was graded as a loss, but the prop did not say first team to make a fair catch, just call it.

 

[Fishhead]

ethan- Welcome to the RX

I would say you have a winner!

 

[cokehead]

can you copy paste the wording on the ticket here please ?

If what you're saying is what it said you gots yourself a winner baby

 

[wilheim]

Sequence of first fair catch punts from Gamebook:


Carolina Panthers at 7:29
1-10-CAR 11 (7:29) 48-S.Davis left guard to CAR 13 for 2 yards (50-M.Vrabel).
2-8-CAR 13 (6:51) 17-J.Delhomme pass to 89-S.Smith pushed ob at CAR 14 for 1 yard (24-T.Law).
3-7-CAR 14 (6:20) 17-J.Delhomme pass incomplete (97-J.Green). (CAR Delhomme threw incomplete from outside the tackle, while being chased by NE Green.)
4-7-CAR 14 (6:10) PENALTY on CAR-10-T.Sauerbrun, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at CAR 14 - No Play.
4-12-CAR 9 (6:10) 10-T.Sauerbrun punts 40 yards to CAR 49, Center-56-J.Kyle. 80-T.Brown MUFFS catch, and recovers at CAR 49. 80-T.Brown to CAR 49 for no gain (32-R.Smart). (Punt hang time 3.9 seconds.)

New England Patriots at 6:02
1-10-CAR 49 (6:02) 32-A.Smith up the middle to CAR 42 for 7 yards (77-K.Jenkins, 30-M.Minter).
2-3-CAR 42 (5:26) 12-T.Brady pass to 83-D.Branch to CAR 38 for 4 yards (23-R.Howard). P3
1-10-CAR 38 (4:52) 32-A.Smith right guard to CAR 37 for 1 yard (77-K.Jenkins, 96-A.Wallace).
2-9-CAR 37 (4:21) 12-T.Brady pass to 83-D.Branch pushed ob at CAR 31 for 6 yards (21-T.Cousin).
3-3-CAR 31 (3:51) 80-T.Brown right end to CAR 41 for -10 yards (54-W.Witherspoon).
4-13-CAR 41 (3:12) 13-K.Walter punts 33 yards to CAR 8, Center-46-B.Kinchen, fair catch by 89-S.Smith. (Punt hang time 4.1 seconds.) (The snap from center bounced before reaching the punter.)

wil.

 

[Dante]

IMO winner/ no brainer I would call the book man try to reasoon with them...if it does not work maybe email one of the Mods

 

[SteelVagina]

Am I missing something. According to Wilheim's stats the first FAIR CATCH was called by S. Smith. The only thing said for T Brown was that he muffed the catch.

 

[wilheim]

Here is the official rule:

Fair catch
1. The member of the receiving team must raise one arm a full length above his head and wave it from side to side while kick is in flight. (Failure to give proper sign: receivers' ball five yards behind spot of signal.)

Note: It is legal for the receiver to shield his eyes from the sun by raising one hand no higher than the helmet.

2. No opponent may interfere with the fair catcher, the ball, or his path to the ball. Penalty: 15 yards from spot of foul and fair catch is awarded.

3. A player who signals for a fair catch is not required to catch the ball. However, if a player signals for a fair catch, he may not block or initiate contact with any player on the kicking team until the ball touches a player. Penalty: snap 15 yards behind spot of foul.

4. If ball hits ground or is touched by member of kicking team in flight, fair catch signal is off and all rules for a kicked ball apply.

5. Any undue advance by a fair catch receiver is delay of game. No specific distance is specified for undue advance as ball is dead at spot of catch. If player comes to a reasonable stop, no penalty. For violation, five yards.

6. If time expires while ball is in play and a fair catch is awarded, receiving team may choose to extend the period with one fair catch kick down. However, placekicker may not use tee.

wil.

 

[Dante]

thats true steel...but I think he called for the fair catch and muffed it , I could be wrong though

 

[Fishhead]

Wow!!

 

[wilheim]

See rule # 4.

4. If ball hits ground or is touched by member of kicking team in flight, fair catch signal is off and all rules for a kicked ball apply.

wil.

 

[Fishhead]

True, but he still did CALL for fair catch, right?

 

[SteelVagina]

Gotcha Dante....That is why I don't bet props.

If it isn't in the boxscore then how can you expect to get paid on it. You can't just base it off what you heard from the announcers. They may have made an error during the broadcast.

 

[Chris@OlympicSports]

Olympic disclaimer is player must catch the ball cleanly for it too be a fair catch


Carolina is winning wager

 

[Dante]

yes Steel very tricky when betting props...I only bet the ones I completely understand if any

 

[cokehead]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> 4. If ball hits ground or is touched by member of kicking team in flight, fair catch signal is off and all rules for a kicked ball apply.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


IMO this rule doesn't apply here, wasn't it a member of the receiving team that muffed the ball ?

Bets a WEINER if you ask me

 

[wilheim]

Yes Brown muffed the punt after making a fair catch signal, once he muffed the punt, the fair catch, according to rule, is off. I am not taking sides here, just qouting rules from NFL rule-book. Meanwhile where is Ethan?


wil.

 

[cokehead]

Dunno where Ethan be chillin cannoli dude !

I see your point now and am changing my mind on this now, the bets a LOSER

 

[ethan]

thanks guys for all of the help. The bet was placed at Millennium. I will let you know the outcome.

 

[Gagne38]

3. A player who signals for a fair catch is not required to catch the ball.

I think rule 3 should apply and NE should be a winner unless there was a disclaimer like Olympic.

 

[wilheim]

Gagne The only way a fair catch can be a fair catch is if a CATCH is made.


wil.