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To insinuate that those who believe that we evolved from monkeys,
(who basically evolved from a blob of goo) have a higher IQ than
creationists I find extremely laughable.

I was only trying to ruffle some feathers, not meaning this literally. I think your understanding of Einstein's beliefs is a little off, he was saying we can't rule out the possibility of a God, but he was also using God metaphorically. And your statement about evolution is a joke, right? PLEASE tell me that is a joke.
 

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P.S. I would bet up to $10,000 (posted up with Wil prior to bet) that if a sample of at least 20,000 Americans was taken, there would be a correlation of at least -.1 between belief in God and IQ.

Obviously, there is no practical way of obtaining such a sample, but if there is ever a proposed study, I will put up the money before the study is conducted.
 
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I was only trying to ruffle some feathers, not meaning this literally. I think your understanding of Einstein's beliefs is a little off, he was saying we can't rule out the possibility of a God, but he was also using God metaphorically. And your statement about evolution is a joke, right? PLEASE tell me that is a joke.

Einstein's beliefs about God are admittedly complex, but he clearly was
not an atheist as you say - though nor was he the typical theist, I'll
grant you that.

What I was trying to get across in my statement about evolution was
that one clearly cannot make a general assumption about IQs
from someone's position on creation/evolution like you did. But you
admitted you said it to ruffle feathers. Ok, you got what you wanted.
lol...
 

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WAIT! Don't take that bet. I just found this little gem:

http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/jesus/intelligence & religion.htm

You might want to save your money.

Is it more logical to be a Christian? Is religion the natural choice of a smart person familiar with more of the evidence? Not according to a broad consensus of studies on IQ and religiosity. These studies have consistently found that the lower the IQ score, the more likely a person is to be religious.



 

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I think that is about right. And if we don't kill ourselves (completely possible) or run into some cosmic castrophe such as getting smacked by a mile + long asteriod, the sun will eventually burn out and make the entire planet uninhabitable.

By the time the sun burns out and explodes, we will have already exhausted all resources here just the same.
By the time the sun burns out we'll be at least a type 3 civilization, and we can just move to another part of the galexy.
 

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To insinuate that those who believe that we evolved from monkeys,
(who basically evolved from a blob of goo) have a higher IQ than
creationists I find extremely laughable.


Please show me where in Evolutionary Theory it says that humans evolved from monkeys.

Hint: You can't because evolution doesn't make that claim. If you are going to participate in this debate, you might want to be careful about bringing up creationist talking points that were debunked decades ago.

Unless you truly understand what evolution is, you are ill-equipped for this debate and should withdraw in order to save yourself from embarrassment. I suspect that if you continue, the next thing you'll say is that evolution is "only a theory".
 

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WAIT! Don't take that bet. I just found this little gem:

http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/jesus/intelligence & religion.htm

You might want to save your money.

Is it more logical to be a Christian? Is religion the natural choice of a smart person familiar with more of the evidence? Not according to a broad consensus of studies on IQ and religiosity. These studies have consistently found that the lower the IQ score, the more likely a person is to be religious.

There are many, many studies that overwhelmingly conclude that there is an inverese relationship with religiousity and intelligence. I've seen a webpage that listed them going back into the 1930s, but I can't track it down.
 

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1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
James 2:5 Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? (NASB ©1995)
 

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the place where christians run into trouble with a question like this is taking everything in the bible so literally.

we don't know that the seven days of creation were actually 24 hour days... of course they weren't.

science does not disprove religion like many would like it to. in many cases it just is our way of trying to explain it.
 

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WAIT! Don't take that bet. I just found this little gem:

http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/jesus/intelligence & religion.htm

You might want to save your money.
Is it more logical to be a Christian? Is religion the natural choice of a smart person familiar with more of the evidence? Not according to a broad consensus of studies on IQ and religiosity. These studies have consistently found that the lower the IQ score, the more likely a person is to be religious.




Interesting

since more religious people tend to be Republicans, and more educated people tend to be Republicans, while Democrats dominate the high school drop out demographic, none of the realities in America reconcile with your study.

Sorry
 

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the 2000 & 2004 presidential elections yield a totally different result, the only times we have "national polling".

2006 was an anti-war vote by and large, especially since not one other issue was on the table

and the high school drop out demographic never ever changes party, kinda like the 90%ers
 

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False

From the 2006 election

VOTE BY EDUCATION TOTAL Democrat Republican
College Graduate ......(45%)......53%....... 46%
Postgraduate ...........(18%)..... 58% .......41%

I wonder how many of those Republican grads are from places like Bob Jones University, Liberty University and other Bible-based institutions?
 

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I am pretty sure there have been numerous studys showing that belief in relegion diminishes with education.


Also I went in looked at 2004 results and it was the same thing. Post graduate like 60 something percent for Kerry.

Highschool drop outs about split 50 JK 49 Bush

I don no i gues i wul vote fer bush cuz i likez to praise tha lord and shoot animals wit 'mah shotgon!!11
 

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k These studies have consistently found that the lower the IQ score, the more likely a person is to be religious.


I have no problem with this statement if all of the Muslims have been accounted for.
 
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Please show me where in Evolutionary Theory it says that humans evolved from monkeys.

Hint: You can't because evolution doesn't make that claim. If you are going to participate in this debate, you might want to be careful about bringing up creationist talking points that were debunked decades ago.

Unless you truly understand what evolution is, you are ill-equipped for this debate and should withdraw in order to save yourself from embarrassment. I suspect that if you continue, the next thing you'll say is that evolution is "only a theory".

Spare me the childish rhetoric. Ok, so I didn't include common ancestor
to monkeys... same idea.

Macro evolution in my opinion is not "only" a theory, it is a false one.

We can turn this thread into a huge creation/evolution debate if you like,
I'm not sure how productive that will be...
 

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