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Yes they have McIrish, I want no part of you in some dark alley.
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eric17:
I think you have a very touchy subject matter here and I don't think we will ever know but on the same hand we don't deserve to know, its not our business!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not true at all Eric. Many people come to these forums to find out what books are safe to send their money too.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TTinCO:


Not true at all Eric. Many people come to these forums to find out what books are safe to send their money too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



I agree TT that is why I first started coming here about 2 yrs ago
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RPM:
myself and the other moderators here are not "controlled" as to what we do and dont say. we are encouraged to speak our minds freely and give our honest opinions.

just look at the generals handling and comments regarding the CASCADE/BEANTOWNJIM issue. general sided with jim on that and posted as much, even though cascade is an advertiser here.

_NO SINGLE ADVERTISER IS GOING TO MAKE OR BREAK THIS SITE_, therefore just because a book advertises here, does not mean that any of us will sacrafice our integrity to appease a sponsor.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

RPM, I'm not "in the loop" over here, but that 1st paragraph is a tough one to buy 100%. It not exactly a well kept secret than Shrink pays well, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that a mod would have quite the tendency to back his position (or at least "shut up") when informed that he was not backing Shrinks position on an issue.

As far as General & the case that I refuse to name since I'm so sick of hearing about it-I don't know what to tell you. I didn't follow it "that closely", but I thought that player got busted trying to pull a quick one.

You are correct about the no single advertiser-but when in doubt, how can you tell me that you wouldn't back Ken's advertiser before a player?

I doubt that it's much different anywhere else, but let's be realistic here. The burden of proof is on the player, and probably a bit more so if the book is an advertiser.
 

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Tin - like many others I used to couldn't wait for your next post, now you seem to be in a rut so to speak. Of course advertisers "play a role" in these forums, if we didn't have them we wouldn't be here. None of us. However your contention about the mods being coached or only allowed to say certain things is not true. Do you realize all of these people besides me were volunteer mods at one time? They liked the place and wanted to be mods but they accepted no money to do it. Yet you still think they were told what to say on these forums? LOL. Sold out though they did it for no money? Why is it hard for some to believe that money does not rule everyone's life? My Pop had a rule for all the kids when we were young and got on our feet. He put 6 months of paying all our bills and our salary in our bank accounts when we started our first real job. Then he said go out and do your job the way you think it should be done. Don't go and be an idiot but don't remain quiet and allow things to go on out of fear of keeping your job. He wanted to give them the security of being able to do their job the way they wanted, the right way. Unfortunately I never took a real job but we did play a game of horseshoes for the 6 months pay.
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Anyway I don't know if other people have been bought off in their life and they suspect it in others but I find this almost hilarious at times. Besides the mods who started here for nothing both Peep and Joe spoke thier minds whenever they felt like it. I can show you hundreds of examples where Peep said something in complete opposite of what Ken said. Between him and the volunteer mods that you feel have "sold out" you have to be joking Tin. I hope you are getting rewarded or garnering some personal satisfaction for these posts of yours. Not only is none of the employees "coached" on what to say we allow all of them and you to speak your mind. This thread has been referred to several times by someone else just recently, Hammy posted it in the RR just yesterday, yet even AGAIN today when you posted it here no one moved it or objected to it. No one has tried to shut you up or deleted anything you or anyone else has said in relation to this. Had I spent big dollars paying off volunteer mods I would probably have a heavy edit hand as well. Come on man think before you post, we get the idea you are going to be on attack status but wait for a real issue.

In closing it would be naive if any site said we didn't want to make our advertisers happy with us. We try and praise them on things they do well and we try and put players in these books when we can. On top of that we try and act as a team and treat each other with respect. We aren't going to bash each other or bash advertisers to show you we can do it if we wanted to. I would not ever put any player at risk to hold on to an advertiser or definitely not to hold on to a job, I know what it feels like to get stiffed and I don't like it. No one gets coached back in the shadows what to say out here or is there some secret game plan to silence anyone who comes to talk about issues. We say what we feel just like you do. I'm not angry with you Tin but this stuff seems to be weighing heavy on your mind of late, it's like someone has brainwashed you in to some big conspiracy going on here. Relax and have some fun. Trust me there will be some bigtime issues coming up down the road so don't blow your wad calling people sell outs this early.
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Peeps SSB says it all. And Pat your arguement about people changing their mind falls short in this case. The Shrink knows these guys very well from the early offshore days. He didn't change his mind but rather he got paid.

It's no big deal though. Only a fool would surf in here off the street and think the sponsor list is a true recommended list. SSB admits they take any sponsor who pays. The Rx is a little better than that now but it didn't use to be.

I think pressure by the posters is the only deciding factor now. Pro5 is an example. The Shrink would of cashed their check without a second thought. But the forum rebelled. Basically if they are not a well known recent scam, they're good to go. Cash up front please.
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Buzz - I said specifically I wasn't referring to this case, did you read any of what I said? I may like Fords today but be a Chevy man tomorrow. I may like redheads now but prefer cheerleader blondes next week. I may only shop Walmart today but be sueing them in 3 months. The world is always evolving. People and ideas change constantly. To think every thought you have had for the last 2 years will be your final opinion on anything is very narrowminded. That's not to say there can't be a point brought up or an explanation desired but to say someone "catches" them for having a different opinion is foolish. It's always has to be Shrink or someone got paid huh? No other reason can be considered? Your books change constantly from list to list right on your site? Is that because you are getting paid or because you are privy to more information? I don't know, just asking. Maybe no one else ever finds out new information other than you. Is that it?

Like I said no big deal. I think most know when there is a real issue and when someone is digging through years of quotes hoping to cause a problem. I like discussions like this if we stay off personal insults and think we can all learn from them. Hell you could fill two pages of things I have said in the last 3 months that I think differently on. Anyway for the record I don't think Tin fits in the category of what I mentioned above but he does seem to be bothered about something.
 

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BTW I agree 100% with you on Pro 5, was absolutely ridiculous to even mention bringing them on here. For any price. No excuse for that and I said so. Still say so now.

Hope I was "cleared" to speak on that opinion. Funny how to some everyone else is a slave to a dollar but they are the only one's who call things fairly. Is it possible others call it the way they see it too but you just don't like it? Just something to think about.
 

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MCIRISH I WANT YOUR ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION AND NEVER MIND THAT CASCADE AND LENNY ARE SPONSORS IN THIS FORUM.DO YOU THINK A SPORTSBOOK SHOULD ACCEPT AND GRADE A BET 15 MINUTES AFTER A GAME STARTS.I DONT WANT TO HEAR LENNY WOULD HAVE PAID IF I HAD WON I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER SPORTSBOOK THAT WOULD HAVE GRADED THIS BET WIN OR LOSE.I HAVE ASKED SEVERAL AND THEY ALL SAID IT IS NO BET PERIOD.SO MCIRISH I WANT YOUR ANSWER NOT LENNYS AND CASCADE PRETEND IT HAPPEND AT A LEGIT SPORTSBOOK LIKE (WSEX) WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD HAVE DONE.GENERAL IS THE ONLY GUY IN THIS FORUM THAT HAS A CLUE AS TO WHATS GOING ON.IF A SPORTSBOOK HAS A WRITTEN RULE THAT SAYS (ALL WAGERS WILL BE ACCEPTED UP TO THE POSTED STARTING TIME OF THE EVENT)THEN HOW CAN THEY GRADE A BET ACCEPTED 15 MINUTES AFTER A GAME STARTS TOTAL BULLSHIT MCIRISH AND YOU ARE COVERING UP FOR CASCADE SPORTSBOOK.YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILTY WITH ME MCIRISH THIS IS A BASIC OFFSHORE RULE SO GET A CLUE PAL AND ADMITT YOU PROTECT THE SPONSORS HERE AT THE PRESCRIPTION YOU ARE A SUCK UP TO THE SPORTSBOOKS CASE CLOSED.THANKS GENERAL YOU ARE A STAND UP GUY
 

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Beaner - if I answer will you give us a pick for the day? At least make it worth my while.

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MCIRISH I PRESENTED MY CASE AT MADJACKS FORUM AN IMPARTIAL JURY NOBODY KNEW ABOUT MY CASE INCLUDING JACK HIMSELF.JACK SAID AND I QUOTE NO SPORTSBOOK HAS THE RIGHT TO GRADE A BET 15 MINUTES AFTER A GAME STARTS PERIOD THEY NEVER WOULD HAVE PAID YOU BEANTOWN HAD YOU WON SO IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN NO BET END OF STORY HERES YOUR 660 DOLLARS BACK.99.9% OF THE READERS AT MADJACKS ALL SAID I WAS ROBBED AND FOR A SPORTSBOOK TO DO THIS GIVES THE INDUSTRY A BLACK EYE.DO YOU KNOW MADJACK MCIRISH WHY DONT YOU TALK TO SOMEBODY THAT KNOWS THE BUSINESS BEFORE YOU TALK ABOUT PROTECTING THE PLAYERS YOUR A CAN ARTIST AND NOTHING MORE SO GO KISS THE THE SHRINKS ARSE BEFORE HE DUMPS YOU FOR BUTTERNUTS YOUR JUST THE SHRINKS YES MAN BOTTOM LINE
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How'd you find out about me being a can artist. I asked my wife to keep that kind of stuff quiet. LOL. I don't blame them over at Madjacks, you are leaving picks over there I bet. Hell I'd say anything myself if you will grace us with some of your baseball plays....
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Your bad luck is due to run out, how about one more for the home team?
 

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OH YOU WANT A PICK TAKE THE OVER 9 1/2 RUNS IN THE CARDINALS AND BREWERS GAME.ENJOY THE FREE PICK BOYS I HAVE TO GO.WE GET IT ALL,WE GET IT ALL
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THIS SO CALLED WATCH SITE THE RX ALL THE DO IS WATCH YOUR MONEY GET STOLEN.THANKS FOR THE HELP BOYS I WAS ROBBED 660 DOLLARS FROM CASCADE
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YOU STILL CANT ANSWER THE QUESTION MCIRISH I WANT TO EXPOSE YOU IN FRONT OF ALL THE RX MEMBERS.DO YOU KNOW OF ANY SPORTSBOOK THAT WOULD GRADE A BET 15 MINUTES AFTER A GAME STARTS.DO YOU THINK IT WAS RIGHT FOR A SPORTSBOOK TO GRADE A BET 15 MINUTES AFTER A GAME STARTS ASK YOUR WIFE THAT QUESTION MCIRISH MR. WATCH DOG HIMSELF.I THINK YOUR A DISGRACE TO THE INDUSTRY IF YOU CLAIM TO WATCH OUT FOR THE GUYS WHO SEND THERE HARD EARNED MONEY OFFSHORE THEN YOU SIT BACK AND PROTECT A SPORTSBOOK WHEN THEY WERE WRONG JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE A SPONSOR.YOU REALLY ARE A PHONY I GUESS THE MAJOR WAS RIGHT ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER,
 

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Bean - are you still on the cascade thing? My God bro let it go already. I think I speak for everyone when I say SHUT THE F UCK UP ALREADY". Seriously, get on with life.

Pat,
In this case, I think Sirbet is a good book and the old partners that Shrink referred to are not all in on Sirbet. But I think it is kind of funny that one day they are "thieves" and the next day its "The Rx welcomes Sirbet". If you were not cashing rx checks I think you would find that pretty darn funny too.

And yes I admit, I like to give Ken a hard time but every suggestion I have ever made here I believe and still believe would make the Rx a better place for Ken, the books and the posters.
 

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originally posted by ttin...

"RPM, I'm not "in the loop" over here, but that 1st paragraph is a tough one to buy 100%. It not exactly a well kept secret than Shrink pays well, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that a mod would have quite the tendency to back his position (or at least "shut up") when informed that he was not backing Shrinks position on an issue."
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ttin,

the number of times i have made an ass of myself by the things i have posted should be proof enough that my first paragraph was true. i make good money in real life, and dont really need the money shrink pays me.

also, as patrick said, i was originally a volunteer moderator. i never asked to be paid to be here. shrink is just a very honest and generous guy. i could give plenty of examples of that too. and none of them would be regarding employees of the rx.
 

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>>>Pat,

In this case, I think Sirbet is a good book and the old partners that Shrink referred to are not all in on Sirbet.
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Thanks for clarifying that Buzz. Then in reality things have indeed changed in the make-up of SirBet? See I didn't even know that, doubt most of the posters did either. Seems you would have mentioned that before now as to provide all sides of the story. I know you take your position seriously on these things. An hour earlier you said this....


>>>>And Pat your argument about people changing their mind falls short in this case. The Shrink knows these guys very well from the early offshore days. He didn't change his mind but rather he got paid.<<<<


I know you want to be fair but this reads almost like nothing had changed whatsoever but Ken simply wanted to get paid. This sounded a lot like you knew there were some changes between what Ken first posted and what he said later. This is exactly why I said earlier the world is always changing. Books change in off-shore constantly and most of us know it. Not to bust your balls but this seems like two different posts entirely. All within an hour of each other? I am usually defending myself over posts from months or even years ago.

As to your comment of me laughing had I not been getting a check, what I find to be funny does not have anything to do with if I cash a check or not Buzz. Does your sense of humor fade if you don't make any sales on your tout business? Is it contingent on how many clicks you get on the books you monitor? If not than neither does mine. There are sometimes reasons behind why people have an "apparent" change of heart on matters. As it turns out there was new info available on SirBet and who is involved. Even you say SirBet is a good book now? Earlier you said the only thing changed was Shrink was getting a check? Glad we were finally able to get to the bottom of it....

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Yes Pat but I also admitted I like to bust on Ken and not always for a good reason
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I mean come on, I know you Pat. Pre Rx pacheck days if Ken called a book "thieves" and the next day he was happily cashing their check you would of written a 6 page dissertation in 3-part harmony.
 

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You are probably right Buzz in some aspects. What you don't understand is things are different now. Has nothing to do with a check but just this position. I owe it to others to look into things before I shoot my mouth off. I guess you could say I have more responsibilites now then I had back then. If you want to "bust" on someone by making them look bad that is between you and him.

And BTW you don't only bust on Ken you have busted on the site and me almost nonstop. In the old days you treated me with respect even when we disagreed, that vanished the day I started here. Now it's almost automatic if I say something you don't agree with (and sometimes if I say nothing at all) you insinuate it has to do with money or I have sold out. What's funny is if my decision is what someone wants to hear than I am "telling it like it is", if it is contrary to what they want then it is immediately a "sell out". LOL. Expected it from some but not you Buzz, don't worry I am getting used to it. I've never been afraid to tee it up with anyone, just takes me a while to see who is who.

Now I understand why you wrote me asking if you were invited to the Xmas party, LOL.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Buzzsaw:

And yes I admit, I like to give Ken a hard time but every suggestion I have ever made here I believe and still believe would make the Rx a better place for Ken, the books and the posters.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Buzzsaw,

I always look forward to your posts and I hope you feel the same way about mine...
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Regarding the all mighty ad dollar, in my opinion, anyone who suggests they can be 100% objective when accepting revenue from sports books is lying...

I have said that a number of times and my position hasn't changed.

However, we can try and do our due diligence by either visiting them firsthand (something Buzzsaw knows very little about), or by relying on the opinions of others...

Despite what some of our critics may say, I don't tell our moderators what they can or cannot say.

Does anyone REALLY believe that PATRICK MCIRISH won't take a position opposite of mine????!!!

PUHLEEEEZZZEEE!!!

LOL...

The best thing that this forum has it the fact that we tolerate lots of opinions, even when some other forums won't.

A perfect example comes to light on this particular thread exemplified by Beantown Jim being allowed to share his view about Casacade for the 8,430,298 time!

Since Casacde pays to advertise here, then why on earth aren't we deleting it??? (TTinco and others who are quick to cast stones???)))

SPORTS BOOKS change all the time. What once may have started out as a top 10 place to gamble (Sports Market/Aces Gold) may go bankrupt the following year!

Therefore, I believe the BEST way to go about finding a sports book to open an account with and one to stay away from is not to trust ANY of the owners completely, but to TRUST OUR POSTERS!!!!

I believe we tolerate a lot. We want people to share their views and the people who help contribute on a regular basis should be given the most CREDIBILITY, period!

That's how I personally would go about selection a sports book...

But then again, what do I know?
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