How in sam does Texas edge out Utah in the BCS??!!

[Altam]

It's sad to see Utah getting the short end of the stick so easily in the BCS. Texas' win over Oak St. shouldn't give them an sport edge in the BCS.

It maybe early, but if it can be done this easily then other teams (i.e. Georgia or Michigan) can walk right on by even if Utah finished with an undefeated season.

I know Utah plays in a weaker conference, but watch them once and you'll see how focus and dominate Utah is. Meyers is doing a great job getting his team prepared every week to play.

I'm a Pac-10er...so I'm not biased. Just would like to see a worthy team get an opportunity to show how good they are.

 

[Co-Captain]

smoking a ranked team by 21 pts is the reason....plus, if you look at how they did it, thats impressive as well...Utah's weaker schedule will kill them and Texas AM losing two in a roll is not helping them either..

 

[KAPPER]

Texas A&M

The loss by the Aggies to Baylor hurt Utah as much as it did A&M. The ags have two tuff games left this season including playing Texas the last week of the season.

Utah does not control its own destiny. Fair or not that is the way the cookie crumbles.

The two at large teams for the BCS currently are Cal and Texas by a fairly wide margin. Neither team will win its conference but if they both win out

Cal (Washingtonm Stanford, Southern Miss)
Texas (Kansas, A&M)

they will be going to the BCS.

I also feel that the Big East should no longer be part of the forumla. West Virginia has no business going to a big bowl game.

 

[GoSooners]

Why is Utah rated behind Texas in the BCS? Because if Utah lived in the Big 12 South they would already have 3 losses. The UNLV's and Colorado St's make them look good. Just wait until the BCS bowl game when they get up against a real football team with a defense.:kicking:

 

[WizardofWins]

Texas was impressive in the 2nd half against ok st, utah has not played anyone, i agree with the last post, if they were in the big 12 they would have at elast 2 losses

 

[WCBias]

Sorry Go Sooners...but if you are calling any defense in the Big 12 South "real", you don't watch much college football. The defensive scoring average on these teams is abysmal....Oklahoma (19), Texas A&M (22), Oklahoma State (24), Texas Tech (26), Baylor...Which one of these teams are you saying has a good defense? By comparison, USC (12) and Auburn (9) are a full touchdown better. Texas (16) has the best defense in the Big 12, but unfortunately, they have a quarterback that has a real problem with the forward pass.

Utah would win the Big 12, one because it's a joke this year, and two, because they would easily hang 50 on Oklahoma's piss-poor defense.

Utah is getting screwed right now...but I'm not worried, Texas should have one more choke in them.

 

[GoSooners]

Speaking of bad defense. Utah gives up at least 21 points a game against creampuffs. You can't tell me they have the bigtime athletes on that team like USC, OU, Auburn or Texas. Texas A&M lost to Utah in the first game of the season before A&M got their s**t together. I would lay money A&M, who is about the fourth or fifth best team in the Big 12 would lay a half a hundred on them no problem. Your not taking into consideration the fact that OU is playing top 20 teams on the road in very hostile enviroments in back to back games. These teams are pulling out all stops (fake punts, kicks) to beat OU because they know they have nothing to lose. There's no way Utah would be able to take the physical punishment these teams would lay on them week after week. I also hope everybody will keep underestimating OU's defense. They aren't as good as they were last year mainly because they lost 3 All-Americans off of that defense. But don't underestimate this team. They have the quickest defense in college football, bar none. And they'll be getting their best defensive back Antonio Perkins back by the end of the season.

 

[Journeyman]

Part of the reason thery give up some points is because they score so often and usualy have a huge lead...The CSU game was the perfect example of that...The Rams score all their points in the 4th qtr when the backups were in...

Utah even put their starting QB back in the game after CSU climbed back in the game and was actually covering after trailing by 41 points...He promptly drove them down the field in about 6 plays to get back the cover...

Not taking sides , just saying some of their games are somewhat misleading, both ways!

 

[Stepintoliquid]

One of the reasons why is because Utah has probably reached as high as they will in the major polls. None of the coaches from the major conferences will vote them higher. I can't blame them either. Utah hasn't played a tough schedule and they play in a cupcake conference. Whoever took SOS out of the BCS formula is an idiot and must be the commisioner from a cupcake conference.

It would be great to see what Utah would do in the SEC, Big 10, ACC, etc. Conferences where the teams are much better top to bottom and the teams are much more phyiscal.

It's a joke that if Utah goes to a BCS game, they most likely get WVU. If WVU can get by BC this weekend. 2 teams that have no right playing in a BCS game. Worst of all, if they do play and whoever would win, will be running their mouths about how they beat a so called BCS team.

There's no way a team like WVU or Utah deserves a BCS game before some 1 loss teams like Cal, Michigan, Texas, Georgia, etc.

If the Utahs and the WVU's want respect, tell them to go on the road and play some of the big boys in The Horseshoe, The Big House, Knoxville, Death Valley, etc. and I'll be more than happy to give them some if they can beat a few of them.

 

[gemba]

I think that it would be great to for my Aggies to beat Texas. Number one, it is always great to beat your rival. Number two, it would give Utah the respect they deserve. I think this team would win the Big 12 South easily.

 

[Kegler]

Sorry Go Sooners...but if you are calling any defense in the Big 12 South "real", you don't watch much college football. The defensive scoring average on these teams is abysmal....Oklahoma (19), Texas A&M (22), Oklahoma State (24), Texas Tech (26), Baylor...Which one of these teams are you saying has a good defense? By comparison, USC (12) and Auburn (9) are a full touchdown better. Texas (16) has the best defense in the Big 12, but unfortunately, they have a quarterback that has a real problem with the forward pass.

Utah would win the Big 12, one because it's a joke this year, and two, because they would easily hang 50 on Oklahoma's piss-poor defense.

Utah is getting screwed right now...but I'm not worried, Texas should have one more choke in them.

Oklahoma's "piss-poor defense" gave up 164 rushing and 181 passing @home to Oregon in a 31 -7 victory.

California's defense gave up 175 rushing and 218 passing @ home in a 28-27 game where the difference was a missed xtra point.

So who has the piss-poor defense?


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[Altam]

This Oregon team is coming together now and it's definitely not the same team OU face earlier in the season. Just bring the same argument that GoSooner is making about Texas A&M's first game of the season with Utah.

Big 12 isn't as dominant as year's past. Only standouts are OU and Texas and that's not saying much. Had McNeil not leave the game OU would have suffered it's first lost of the season. I agree with WC Bias that Texas will choke before years end.

I think this Utah team can dance with anyone in the Big 12. Their sizes are comparable to any other big name schools. Heck, Wisky has a small team and they're dominating on defense. Utah is not like any of those wannabes (Fresno St, Boise St...). I'd like to see them get an opportunity to play in the big bowl games. They're open some eyes.

 

[GoSooners]

Part of the reason thery give up some points is because they score so often and usualy have a huge lead...The CSU game was the perfect example of that...The Rams score all their points in the 4th qtr when the backups were in...

Utah even put their starting QB back in the game after CSU climbed back in the game and was actually covering after trailing by 41 points...He promptly drove them down the field in about 6 plays to get back the cover...

Not taking sides , just saying some of their games are somewhat misleading, both ways!

Journeyman I have to admit I've only seen Utah once this year. And that was the Texas A&m game. If I remember right, Utah jumped on A&M early in that game and they never really recovered. But I remember the second half of that game the Aggies moved the ball almost at will on the Utah defense. That's why i would like to see a rematch of those teams. Utah seems to have an excellent offense that is operating on all cylinders. But I don't believe their defense has been tested yet. And as we all know, it the defense that wins the championships.

 

[GoSooners]

This Oregon team is coming together now and it's definitely not the same team OU face earlier in the season. Just bring the same argument that GoSooner is making about Texas A&M's first game of the season with Utah.

Big 12 isn't as dominant as year's past. Only standouts are OU and Texas and that's not saying much. Had McNeil not leave the game OU would have suffered it's first lost of the season. I agree with WC Bias that Texas will choke before years end.

I think this Utah team can dance with anyone in the Big 12. Their sizes are comparable to any other big name schools. Heck, Wisky has a small team and they're dominating on defense. Utah is not like any of those wannabes (Fresno St, Boise St...). I'd like to see them get an opportunity to play in the big bowl games. They're open some eyes.

Altam, I agreee about the Oregon team. They have improved a bunch this year. I attended the OU-Oregon game and I could tell that the Ducks were a very physical team who played OU tough all day long. It made me wonder how they lost to Indiana until I saw they had 6 turnovers against them.

Not sure i agree with you about the A&M-OU game. From what i saw OU made some excellent adjustments at half. They closed down Mcneil's passing lanes in the second half and were making him stand in the pocket longer. Which eventually got him hurt.

I have to admit after hearing all you guys brag about Utah it does have my curiosity up. But in college football your only percieved to be as good as the conference you come from. This even goes for OU. With the Big 12 down this year, especially in the pitiful North division, I don't believe OU will make it to the BCS Championship game even if they win out. As long as they go unbeaten I think Auburn will be there instead because they play in the tougher SEC Conference. It's not really a fair assessment, but as long as they have this money making bowl system instead of a playoff system, we'll really never know who is best.:breakit:

 

[Mjllomb]

Texas won't choke at the end of the season. Kansas is well, terrible. A&M is still in a rebuilding year and isn't much better. Proof of that, you just don't lose to Baylor if you're in the Big 12 South, it is unacceptable.

About Texas, Just check out Texas's record post OU, it is like 20-3.

One of the reasons Stoops has MBrown's number is personal. It went back to when Stoops was interviewed for the job here, and Darryl K. Royal told him he dind't have enough experience, and was then hired at OU. He has had it out for us since. He prepares all off season, hides plays, etc. in preparation for OU/Texas game. Other than him, MBrown owns everyone in the Big 12, including Francione....

Texas has beaten 6 teams ranked in the top 25 at the time of the game this year, including 2 on the road. OU has had a similar tough schedule, including back to back road victories. Both teams have had tough road victories (Arkansas on the road, Texas Tech on the road, to name a few). Utah hasn't beaten anyon. Well, OK, they beat A&M. But A&M is proving to suck just as we thought at the beginning of the season. They are going down hard and you can chalk up two more losses as Tech (a.k.a Sand Aggy) will whip A&M (they have their own little rivalry) and Texas will dominate them @ home as well.

Utah will get jumped by Georgia if they beat Auburn...Everyone moves up except for Utah, which will stay where it is. Auburn falls behind them, but Michigan jumps them too if they win out...

That's just the way it is...

 

[WCBias]

Kegal exercise..did you really bring the Oregon vs. Oklahoma vs. Cal into a debate about Utah being in the BCS? Why don't you throw up the defensive statistics of Oklahoma the past two games rather than digging back to week 2? Or why don't you compare Oklahoma's defensive statistics against Cal's? or USC's, or Auburn's. WHy don't you then compare the rest of the Big 12 south's defenseive statistics to the top teams in the country and see how they fare.

Go Sooner's..didn't mean to take a shot at you, I just get irritated by people who knock Utah who haven't watched this team. I've seen almost all their games, I've seen almost all of Oklahoma's, Texas A&M's, Oklahoma State's....I think Utah is a better team. You've made a judgement on them based on one game.

I totally agree about their schedule being soft, and they are being punished for it. But I'm not going to say Boise State should be playing in the BCS, because I know they are an average team in any other conference. Utah is a top 1 or 2 team in any conference in america...ACC, Pac 10, SEC, Big 10, and certainly the Big 12 or Big East. There are four or five NFL calliber players on that team.

As for Oklahoma...I take shots at them because I don't think they should be ranked ahead of Auburn...they only are because they are in the Big 12, which might have a team with a losing record playing for the Big 12 championship. It is an overrated conference with two elite teams, not five or six like the pre-season polls sell us on every year.

I will say this about Oklahoma. They keep winning. Everyone outside of the State of Ohio thought Ohio State was not only the worst undefeated team in college football history, but not worthy to play in the national championship... They proved their doubters wrong. So it would not surprise me at all if Oklahoma makes it, they win the same way they have won all year.

 

[hdaddy]

Opinions are like ass - holes everyone has one. So here is mine. I have watched all of these teams play in quite a few games this year. With that said the rankings should be (my opinion) as follows:

1. USC
2. Auburn
3. Utah
4. Oklahoma
5. Cal
6. Wisconsin
7. Texas
8. Georgia
9. Michigan
10. Louisville

 

[SpreadDestroyerr]

My rankings would be:

1) USC
2) Auburn
3) Wisconsin
4) Oklahoma
5) Utah
6) Georgia
7) Cal
8) Texas
9) Louisville
10) Michigan

 

[Mjllomb]

My rankings would be consistent with CollegeFootballNews.com

 

[GoSooners]

If there was a 4 team playoff I would rank it 1.USC 2.OU 3.California 4.Auburn.
California lost a little repect because of the close call they had with Oregon last week. But they had some key skill players who were hurt and didn't play in that game. With all of their offensive weapons I still think they are the most dangerous team and the one nobody wants to play in a bowl game. I put OU number 2 partly because I'm bias but mainly because they are the most expierenced of all of these teams. Which can really help you in a high stakes bowl game or as we saw Saturday in a hostile environment. Auburn is the wildcard here. They remind me alot of the LSU team last year. Pretty physical on defense and a more balanced offense with a new corrdinator who has them playing better than the team that got blown out by USC at home last year. My only question with Auburn is their schedule. It's been pretty favorable with all of their tough games played at home and one lone win on the road against a Tennessee team who got beat by Notre Dame last week. My guess is they will beat Georgia, again at home this week and possibly knock OU out of the number 2 spot. OU ends up going to the Fiesta or Sugar Bowl and plays Utah or heaven forbid Texas again. Don't knock it, it could happen. I put ove beaten California over unbeaten Wiconsin mainly because the Big 10 is down. And I still can't get that Wisconsin-Arizona game out of my head where Wisconsin came a missed field goal away from getting beat. Wisconsin also had an easy non-conferance schedule. I would rate Texas, Georgia and probably even Utah over them.