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Jay C said:
Actually, if the Feds want to pursue it they can. They probably won't.

actually, the punishment for steroid use is minimal. Unless they found out that mcgwire was peddling the stuff the cost to prosecute him would far outweigh the punishment. That is why they always go after the dealers.

These guys would never face serious time for admitting steroid use, they would only lose credit for their accomplishments.

My take on the situation is that more players took steroids then we will ever know. However, i dont think its that big of a deal. first off steroids was never a banned substance in MLB. So if a player used the steroids in mexico and never transported it to the US he did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong.

Its like the US government trying to punish someone for smoking pot in belgium. It can't happen. We all know that most of these players used steroids in america but plenty of other players used other drugs (speed, creatine etc..).
 

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Actually it doesn't take much to rise to the level of dealing, you'd be surprised. If they want you they don't care if you were using it all for yourself.

As far as the US prosecuting people for what they do in other countries, it's already underway. There is a program out there that goes after Americans who have sex with underage people in foreign countries. This is not at the request of foreign countries or to help them enforce their local laws. This is just something they feel they need to do. So, if you go somewhere in the far east and have sex with a 15 year old, which may be perfectly legal where you are, you may be prosecuted when you return. I am not kidding.

And the Bush administration is funding these religious groups who try an monitor this activity abroad with surveillence and snitching.
 

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Here is your "homeland security" dollars at work!!

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United States Getting Tougher on Child Sex Tourism



U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has won another conviction in its 15-month-old initiative to arrest and prosecute travelers who intend to go to another country to engage in sexual activity with children.


In a November 23 press release, ICE announces that the 10th indictment under the 2003 PROTECT Act marks a milestone for the agency in its targeting of international child sex predators. On November 19, a federal grand jury indicted Edilberto Datan of California for travel with intent to engage in a sexual act with a juvenile after his arrest following a trip to the Philippines. ICE's investigation indicates that Datan was arranging sexual trysts with underage boys in the Philippines.


Also on November 19, John W. Seljan, also of California, was convicted on a charge of attempted travel with intent to engage in a sexual act. He faced charges after his arrest by ICE agents as he prepared to board a flight to the Philippines. The courts found that his intent in the trip was to engage in sex with girls aged 9 and 12.


These cases are part of Operation Predator, an ongoing ICE enforcement initiative to identify, investigate and arrest child sex predators. The initiative has resulted in 4,400 arrests nationwide. ICE is also aggressively targeting foreign nationals engaged in such an activity and seeking their deportation. More than 2,100 child predators have been deported.


The text of the ICE press release follows:


U.S. Department of Homeland Security
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
November 23, 2004


News Release


ICE MARKS MILESTONE IN FIGHT AGAINST GLOBAL CHILD SEX TOURISM


Makes Agency's 10th PROTECT Act Arrest Against International Child Sex Predators


WASHINGTON, D.C. - The November 19 indictment of a San Diego man on charges that he traveled to the Philippines to engage in sex with boys marked the tenth child sex tourism arrest brought by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) since the passage of the PROTECT Act in 2003. Only three such cases had been made in the ten years prior to the passage of the act.


Last Friday, a federal grand jury indicted Edilberto Datan, 60, for travel with intent to engage in a sexual act with a juvenile, use of an interstate facility to entice a minor to engage in a criminal sexual act, and production and possession of child pornography. U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers in Los Angeles first intercepted Datan on November 4 as he returned from a trip to the Philippines carrying computer memory sticks that contained roughly 100 sexually explicit images of underage Filipino boys. When ICE agents questioned him about the photos, Datan said the boys were members of a dance troupe who came to his hotel room to visit and shower, but denied having any inappropriate contact with them.


The PROTECT Act, signed into law by President Bush on April 30, 2003, removed legal barriers that had limited prosecution of those who travel to foreign countries to engage in the sexual abuse and exploitation of children. The law also enhanced the criminal penalties for child sex tourism and gave federal law enforcement new authorities to investigate these crimes.


"The arrest of Datan, and the nine other people arrested for child sex tourism in the last 18 months, is a clear message that ICE is finding and arresting child sex predators who travel abroad to commit crimes against children," said Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary for ICE Michael J. Garcia. "ICE will use all of its resources and authorities to arrest those who believe that committing crimes against children in another country will shield them from the reach of U.S. law enforcement."


Datan's indictment came on the same day as a conviction in another child sex tourism case involving the Philippines. In that case, John W. Seljan, 86, was convicted in federal court in Santa Ana, Calif., on Friday of attempted travel with intent to engage in a sexual act with a juvenile, use of an interstate facility to entice a minor to engage in a criminal sexual act and two counts each of production and possession of child pornography. ICE agents had arrested Seljan in October 2003 as he prepared to board a flight in Los Angeles to engage in sex with two Philippine girls, ages 9 and 12. Seljan is scheduled to be sentenced March 7, 2005. He faces a maximum sentence of 270 years in prison.


Facilitated by ICE's 52 attach??s stationed around the world, these ten PROTECT Act cases are part of Operation Predator, an ongoing ICE enforcement initiative launched last year to identify, investigate, arrest and, in the case


of foreign nationals, deport child sex predators. Since the initiative began in July 2003, ICE agents have arrested more than 4,400 individuals nationwide. Approximately 85 percent of those arrested were foreign national sexual predators whose crimes make them deportable - more than 2,100 child predators have been removed to date. In addition, foreign law enforcement officials acting on ICE leads have arrested more than 860 sexual predators in their respective countries.


Other child sex tourism investigations worked by ICE include:


Michael Lewis Clark, 70 / Cambodia: On June 25, 2004, Clark was sentenced to 97 months in jail. This case represented the first child sex tourism case in the nation brought under the PROTECT ACT. Clark was arrested in Cambodia by Cambodian authorities in June 2003 for engaging in illegal sexual activity with two boys aged 10 and 13. The subsequent investigation by ICE and Cambodian authorities determined Clark may have molested as many as 50 children in Cambodia in recent years.


Gary Evans Jackson, 56 / Cambodia: On June 23, 2004, Jackson pleaded guilty to child sex tourism. Jackson was arrested Sept. 1, 2003, on charges of engaging in illegal sexual conduct with three males between the ages of 10 and 15 years old in Cambodia. Cambodian authorities removed Jackson to the United States.


Richard Arthur Schmidt, 61 / Cambodia: Schmidt pleaded guilty on July 8, 2004, in a 10-count federal indictment in Baltimore with multiple violations of the PROTECT Act involving the molestation of minor boys in the Philippines and Cambodia. He arrived at Dulles International Airport in February 2004 accompanied by ICE agents on a flight from Asia. Schmidt had previously been convicted of child sex crimes in Maryland three times.


Gregory Kapordelis, 43 / Russia: In April 2004, ICE agents arrested Kapordelis at JFK Airport in New York upon his arrival from Russia. Kapordelis, the chief of anesthesiology at a medical facility in Georgia and a physician at summer camps in the area, was arrested on a criminal complaint alleging that he traveled to St. Petersburg, Russia, several times to engage in sex with several juveniles. In some cases, Kapordelis is alleged to have drugged the children prior to sodomizing them.


Timothy Ronald Obert, 36 / Costa Rica: On June 23, 2004, ICE agents arrested Obert at his residence in Santa Cruz, Calif. Obert is alleged to have engaged in sexual relations with a minor in Costa Rica while serving there as a Peace Corps volunteer and to have provided the minor with money, drugs and alcohol in connection with the sex acts.


Sebastian Sarraute, 30 / United States and Mexico: On Sept. 24, 2004, ICE agents arrested Sarraute at the Tucson, Ariz., airport as he arrived in the United States from France. The arrest was the culmination of a yearlong investigation by ICE. Agents say Sarraute, a French national, believed he was coming to Tucson to finalize plans to travel to Mexico to have sex with girls who ranged in age from 10 to 14.


Manfred Knittel, 53/ United States and Mexico: On Oct. 31, 2004, ICE agents arrested Knittel at the Tucson, Ariz., airport as he arrived in the United States from Germany. Agents say Knittel, a German national, believed he was coming to Tucson to finalize plans to travel to Mexico to have sex with girls who ranged in age from 6- 11 years.


Walter Schirra, 54 / Thailand: On Nov. 6, 2004, ICE agents arrested Walter Schirra at a San Francisco airport as he was about to board an Eva Airways flight to Thailand where he allegedly intended to solicit sex with underage boys. A search of his luggage revealed photos of shirtless 12-14 year old Asian boys large amounts of candy, as well as prescription drugs and other aids designed to enhance sexual pleasure. ICE agents also executed a search warrant at Schirra's residence, where they initially found approximately 15-20 images of child pornography on his computer and seized computers and computer media for further analysis.


U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is the largest investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security.








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Jay C said:
In 1991, someone else got caught with 13 pounds of marijuana, they ratted on someone else to save their tail, who ratted on someone else to save their tail, who ratted on the man I am speaking about to save their tail. So the Feds went after him in 1991, he pointed out that they were past the statute of limitations. But they wanted names which he would not give them. So they said, "You're right, we are past the statute of limitations, however, you used someof the money you made back in 1983 les than 7 years ago. So we'll just charge you with money laundering and mention the marijuana at sentencing as a relvant conduct."

The man went to trial and lost. He got 22 years, heh's been in 13 now. His son was 1 year old when he went away.

Does this make sense to anyone? I'd like to believe it was an isolated incident but there are plenty of similar cases.

H H HOLY ****.......
 

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