How does WV Coach still have a job?

[dynamite140]

West Virginia's Coaching... They decide to move the ball up from their 20 yard line. Its either you run the clock out and go to overtime and not risk anything OR go and attack and get a field goal. Well they decide to run the offense and score. Fine but as they approach the 40 yard line... how do they do those play calls?

I mean the play calling was horrible but not SPENDING A TIMEOUT MADE NO SENSE AT ALL. You had two timeouts with 35 seconds left or so when they did not get the first down. Even the announcers were saying you cannot run the clock out like that and you either go and try to attempt a FG but what were they thinking? If you had 0 timeouts fine.. but they had 2 T.O!!!

Then they call a timeout with 4 seconds left?hno: Whats the point of that? They could have still had 1 timeout left with 30 seconds or so in the 40 yard line but instead they let the time run down?:nono5:


Anyone who played Madden or even watch football and understand it would not do what the WV coach did. If this was in their 25-30 yard line it would be fine but you move the ball to the 45 yard line and then decide to NOT call a timeout?hno:


How does this guy have a job? And how the heck do the coaches from upstairs don't tell the coach/assistant coach to call a timeout? And why didnt Pat White call one even if coach didnt? They had TWO timeouts left! What the heck were they thinking of preserving it for? How could not one person on the staff tell him to call it?

You march the field and decide to run the clock out?

 

[Illini]

He's only coached 4 games. Do you have to go undefeated to keep from getting fired in your mind?

The clock management wasn't that bad. I would've called the timeout with 35 seconds left, but had no problem with it not being called. The timeouts saved could have been crucial to kicking the field goal if they had converted a first down. After they didn't convert on 3rd down, it was probably the right move to let the clock run down and throw a hail mary. You don't want to call a timeout, get stopped, and then give CU a chance to throw one pass and kick a FG.

 

[krk1030]

The problem is the play calling, whoever is doing that needs to go.

 

[dynamite140]

The clock management was HORRIBLE. If you call timeout there is still 35 seconds left. You can set up a play that gets the 1st down and i think it was 3rd and 1? Why not have White QB sneak it or him doing a running play. Or doing a bootleg.

If they didnt make it... they should let the clock to run to about 12 seconds or so and then if they dont make it other team would get the ball with about 6 seconds or so. What are they going to do? Throw a 50 yard hail mary? I will risk that.

 

[Illini]

The clock management was HORRIBLE. If you call timeout there is still 35 seconds left. You can set up a play that gets the 1st down and i think it was 3rd and 1? Why not have White QB sneak it or him doing a running play. Or doing a bootleg.

If they didnt make it... they should let the clock to run to about 12 seconds or so and then if they dont make it other team would get the ball with about 6 seconds or so. What are they going to do? Throw a 50 yard hail mary? I will risk that.

No right or wrong answer on the clock management. I would have called one early, but it's not like they can throw anyway. They woud have had to use them after running the ball later, so what difference does it make? They didn't convert anyway, so you want less time on the clock, not more at that point. Not a huge mistake, imo. Once they didn't convert, I would have done exactly what he did and called it with 5 seconds left. Once you get to 4th down, you're not thinking win. You're thinking get to overtime without getting beat.

 

[theboy1dur]

No right or wrong answer on the clock management. I would have called one early, but it's not like they can throw anyway. They woud have had to use them after running the ball later, so what difference does it make? They didn't convert anyway, so you want less time on the clock, not more at that point. Not a huge mistake, imo. Once they didn't convert, I would have done exactly what he did and called it with 5 seconds left. Once you get to 4th down, you're not thinking win. You're thinking get to overtime without getting beat.

illini you are an idiot. did you watch the game? did you hear the announcers? granted jesse palmer is a fool, he made a few good points. all of them, were speechless.. SPEECHLESS, with the clock management. you could even see it in their faces too, when they showed the booth. lol .. its your opinion of course. pat white tried calling a TO, , i dunno if players arent allowed to call one or what? i saw him signal for it at 26 sec. with 2 timeouts and clock stops at 1st downs, you got to be kidding me. having fun with the cardinals, and carpenter, lol... and enjoy tommorow when big Z shits on them as well.

 

[dynamite140]

The clock management was horrible end of story. They were near MIDFIELD almost. What was the point of getting there if you dont use your timeouts. Preservign timeouts there DOES NOTHING but prevent you to win.

This is so basic i cannot believe this coach was this clueless. Yes even the announcers were speechless.

 

[Illini]

illini you are an idiot. did you watch the game? did you hear the announcers? granted jesse palmer is a fool, he made a few good points. all of them, were speechless.. SPEECHLESS, with the clock management. you could even see it in their faces too, when they showed the booth. lol .. its your opinion of course. pat white tried calling a TO, , i dunno if players arent allowed to call one or what? i saw him signal for it at 26 sec. with 2 timeouts and clock stops at 1st downs, you got to be kidding me. having fun with the cardinals, and carpenter, lol... and enjoy tommorow when big Z shits on them as well.

I'm not an idiot. Far from it. And I don't give 2 shits about what an announcer says. I like Chris Fowler, but he was wrong to be ranting about the need to call timeout with 15 seconds left right before 4th down. Yes, I watched the game. And since they got to 4th down, it kind of worked out well that the clock ran out, huh. Funny how that works.

Oh, and who the hell are you? 5 Star Bomb?

 

[Illini]

The clock management was horrible end of story. They were near MIDFIELD almost. What was the point of getting there if you dont use your timeouts. Preservign timeouts there DOES NOTHING but prevent you to win.

This is so basic i cannot believe this coach was this clueless. Yes even the announcers were speechless.

The point is that they still had a ways to go. I agree with you in part. I would have called the timeout early. But after they didn't, I think they did the next best thing. They were facing 4th down. At that point, you get to OT. end of story.

 

[dynamite140]

Illini they had 2 timeouts left. The thing that would make sense was call a timeout and then set up a good play for 3rd and 1. If they make a first down, then clock stops and they can spike the ball and there would be around 25 seconds or so with 1 timeout left. IF they dont then just let time run out but calling a timeout there was a must b/c they had 2 left.


They made the worst play for a 3rd and 1 in that situation.

 

[Illini]

Illini they had 2 timeouts left. The thing that would make sense was call a timeout and then set up a good play for 3rd and 1. If they make a first down, then clock stops and they can spike the ball and there would be around 25 seconds or so with 1 timeout left. IF they dont then just let time run out but calling a timeout there was a must b/c they had 2 left.


They made the worst play for a 3rd and 1 in that situation.

They were not facing 3rd and 1. Wrong. They were facing 2nd and 6 or so. The next play, they got 5 yards and went out of bounds. No need to waste a timeout there facing 3rd and 1. You run it and pick up the first down, and if you don't get it, you hail mary and go to OT.

 

[Illini]

The bottom line is that they didn't get the first down. They had two chances to pick it up, and they couldn't. If they had called their timeouts, they would have been forced to punt. So the clock didn't hurt them, it helped them at that point, forcing OT. They just aren't that good of a team. Coach......I have no idea about the guy, but it's early and he's going to be there for a longass time making big money. But the clock management, in spite of what the talking heads on ESPN and the joe schmoes on therx.com said.....it wasn't that bad and certainly didn't cost them the game. Good night.

 

[hanabada]

The whole game plan was weird, even the last minute in the first half was off. I was hoping Hawkins would have faked like he was going to down the ball and through the ball up to a streaking receiver.

The sad thing is WV has a good team, but it's being managed poorly, I hope they can bounce back, because it would be a shame to waste all that talent.

 

[theboy1dur]

lol Illini, you say goodnight, cause you have no leg to stand on. the announcers get paid big bucks to to just that, announce ... you can tell they wanted to tear apart bill " yee-hawww" stewart, if they weren't on air.... It was obvious to even CU backers .. the play calling was horrible all game. how many 3rd and 10's can you throw a screen pass? 3 times in a row... blame it on the OC, but the HC gets the blame at the end of the day. I am not bitter I lost $ tonight, as I saw an amazing comeback with the cubs .. good luck next year with the cards..., i bet your loving watching edmonds hit 20 hr's for us in half a season next year st. louis alky's .. next year ...

 

[Illini]

lol Illini, you say goodnight, cause you have no leg to stand on. the announcers get paid big bucks to to just that, announce ... you can tell they wanted to tear apart bill " yee-hawww" stewart, if they weren't on air.... It was obvious to even CU backers .. the play calling was horrible all game. how many 3rd and 10's can you throw a screen pass? 3 times in a row... blame it on the OC, but the HC gets the blame at the end of the day. I am not bitter I lost $ tonight, as I saw an amazing comeback with the cubs .. good luck next year with the cards..., i bet your loving watching edmonds hit 20 hr's for us in half a season next year st. louis alky's .. next year ...

Who are you? Gotta be 5 star bomb.

Answer me this, genius. If you don't convert and have to punt, would you rather there be more or less time on the clock. Exactly.

As for the play calling, I'm not defending the coach. I didn't watch anything but the 4th quarter. WVU had their chances late and didn't execute. Clock management was fine, though.

Would like to see the Cubs win it, because I have friends and family that love the Cubs. I'm not a hater.

 

[theboy1dur]

OMG you didnt watch the game cept the 4th ?? then how are you even talking.. shut your ass up then. lol.. wow. so they get the ball back with 20 sec. what are they gonna do that they havent al game long? they scored 14 pts all game.. so in 20 sec. with a freshman kicker, they are gonna do what?

wv is on the road. you dont play for overtime on the road. il take my chances ... and its not even playing for overtime you fool. did you watch the game with the sound off? did you not hear erin andrews saying at the end that the WV sideline was in mass confusion?? your not worth my time, your proving yourself to be a fool right now, over and over.. watch the game, LISTEN to it, then comment on it in a forum, lol !

now you may go to bed miss carpenter. i remember your threads about , "wait till carpenter comes back"

when your words are documented, you kinda hafta live by them ...

yea root for the cubs now.. wont ya ... jump on board its all good.. you got the rams, and the cards .. life's lookin sweet for ya.

 

[Illini]

OMG you didnt watch the game cept the 4th ?? then how are you even talking.. shut your ass up then. lol.. wow. so they get the ball back with 20 sec. what are they gonna do that they havent al game long? they scored 14 pts all game.. so in 20 sec. with a freshman kicker, they are gonna do what?

wv is on the road. you dont play for overtime on the road. il take my chances ... and its not even playing for overtime you fool. did you watch the game with the sound off? did you not hear erin andrews saying at the end that the WV sideline was in mass confusion?? your not worth my time, your proving yourself to be a fool right now, over and over.. watch the game, LISTEN to it, then comment on it in a forum, lol !

now you may go to bed miss carpenter. i remember your threads about , "wait till carpenter comes back"

when your words are documented, you kinda hafta live by them ...

yea root for the cubs now.. wont ya ... jump on board its all good.. you got the rams, and the cards .. life's lookin sweet for ya.

I watched the 4th quarter and commented on it. I don't think not seeing the first half has anything to do with commenting on clock management. Your logic? "Oh, the announcers were in disbelief! That proves it. Oh, Erin Andrews said a bunch of 18 year old kids that all scored 19 on their ACT...they were upset and confused."

Bottom line......the clock management or mismanagement didn't have a damn thing to do with the outcome. They didn't convert. Period. It was 4th down. And if they had called timeout with 15 seconds like all the geniuses like yourself wanted them to, then they would have had to punt. Coach made the right decision. Now go drink an Old Style and shut the fuck up.

The Cards are not as good as the Cubs this year. I never once said they were. Oh, well. Life does go on. Good luck to your Cubs. As for the Rams.....hate em. And go buy a clue about logic and football.

 

[silver7]

The Clock & Gm Mgmt WAS Awful

I've reviewed it 5 or 6 times, the mistake was made @ 2nd & 6 w/41 sec. to go. Call TO NOW. Set up the next 2 plays. You have 1 TO left. Get the ball to the sidelines. Then give yourself some time to decide either go for it or run it out. They did neither. You can't defend this guy. WV was the better tm and should have won. CU had better coaching and DID win. And so did I, Buffs + 4. I would have worn Pat White's ass OUT, run that little trap or PO, every friggen play. His speed is too much for the col. gm. Won't be a pro QB tho.

 

[CrapGame]

WV coaching is maybe the worst I have ever scene. That includes highschool.
Maybe there was some thing we the public did not know about WV. Like the players did not know any of th plays.

He ran the same 7 plays all night. It looked like dive option and trap option was really the plays he kept going too. So WV coach just decided to give the ball to his big play maker almost every play. Ya can't fucking do that.
Any defense is going to be able to key those plays.

CU defense as slow as they are were able to stop thos same running plays.

WV time management was shit. I have never seen a 2 minute drill ran that way. That includes highschool level.
Also I have never scene 3 chop block penalties in one game. Maybe the coach need to explain to the players the proper blocking techniques.


I am betting aginst WV the rest of this season.

 

[MonsterZero]

You guys act like this doesn't happen every single week. And I don't blame you guys. It's the announcers who act all befuddled when this happens. I watch games all weekend and see this happen ALL THE TIME. These coaches, who we all act like are fucking geniuses, are not so bright sometimes. Many of them are actually pretty dumb. And that job by Stewart last night was awful.

Thing is, he can always go back to the, "I was trying to run the clock down so the other team couldn't do anything" card LOL.

And to answer your question, "How does he still have a job?"
Well, he's milking that bowl win from last year against Oklahoma for all it's worth.