in some pre season betting guide i picked up for football. it had a ton of useless ats stats, mediocre editorials and a ton of ads for mike warren. and a very curious ad with a toll free number boasting "legal betting" . . .this was 10 years ago. everytime a discussion of books came up id say mine was off shore, i was often greeted with funny looks like "uh, ok". like i wasnt serious about betting or something because of it. those same people now, i wouldnt look at serious if the circumstances were the same. funny how things change.