Hilton Lines are Out

[BigdaddyQH]

The Hilton Lines are out. Here is a comparison next to the LVSC Openers:

Thursday Sept. 3

South Carolina @ NC State -3.5 -3
Troy @ Bowling Green +3 -7.5
North Texas @ Ball State -16 -16
Utah State @ Utah -24 -22
Oregon @ Boise State -4.5 -6.5

Friday Sept. 4

Tulsa @ Tulane +14 -13.5

Saturday Sept. 5

Navy @ Ohio State -22 -20
Akron @ Penn State -27 -28.5
Kentucky vs. Miami Ohio +14 -15.5
Minnesota @ Syracuse +6 -6.5
Toledo @ Purdue -13 -14
Western Kentucky @ Tennessee -28 -31.5
Western Michigan @ Michigan -11 -13
Nevada @ Notre Dame -17 -16
Georgia @ Oklahoma State -4.5 -6
Missouri vs. Illinois -5 -7
Baylor @ Wake Forest -4.5 -2
San Jose State @ USC -32 -34.5
Rice @ UAB +2 -5
Middle Tennessee @ Clemson -21.5 -21.5
Connecticut @ Ohio +6 +3.5
BYU vs. Oklahoma -21 -21
Army @ Eastern Michigan -6 -4
Northern Illinois @ Wisconsin -14 -17
Louisiana Tech @ Auburn -13 -13.5
New Mexico @ Texas A&M -12 -14
Florida Atlantic @ Nebraska -20 -22
Louisiana-Monroe @ Texas -38 -40
San Diego State @ UCLA -21 -19
Stanford @ Washington State +17 -14.5
Virginia Tech vs. Alabama -4 -3.5
Idaho @ New Mexico State -3 -3.5
Buffalo @ UTEP -4.5 -7.5
Maryland @ California -17 -19
Central Michigan @ Arizona -14 -14
LSU @ Washington +14 -14

Sunday Sept. 6

Mississippi @ Memphis +17 +17
Colorado State @ Colorado -13 -13

Monday Sept. 7

Cincinnati @ Rutgers -6 -7
Miami FL @ Florida State -4 -4

Huge changes. Somuch for planning ahead. I will announce my plays as soon as I get them verified from Vegas, which will be in a few hours, or whenever our young lady tells us. I also have never seen such a huge difference in openers between Vegas and the Greek. Stand by for a bunch of middles.

 

[letsgohoosiers]

Bowling Green is +7.5 not -7.5.

I'd be mortgaging the house on Troy +7.5 if that was true.

 

[bigdaveyt]

Bowling Green is +7.5 not -7.5.

I'd be mortgaging the house on Troy +7.5 if that was true.

Yea seems like a couple are typos.

 

[SoonerBS]

Bowling Green is +7.5 not -7.5.

I'd be mortgaging the house on Troy +7.5 if that was true.

Yeah, wouldn't we all . . . . .

 

[urfavorite]

okie state over uga -5.5...i cant wait to get on this one

 

[roundtrip]

what way u going .. u know ok state is for real this year

 

[GoSooners]

u know ok state is for real this year

How do you know?

 

[SoonerBS]

what way u going .. u know ok state is for real this year

For real in what way? What makes you think they are any better than last year?

 

[fivestarjake]

5dimes has idaho at +4'. attractive points here considering idaho is the better team(on paper anyway)

 

[urfavorite]

i agree. okie state has alot of returning starters. uga return very few. includ losing stafford and moreno. this is gonna be 1st tough road game for a young uga team. i really wanna hit the line while its low

 

[GoSooners]

i agree. okie state has alot of returning starters. uga return very few. includ losing stafford and moreno. this is gonna be 1st tough road game for a young uga team. i really wanna hit the line while its low

Let's get our facts straight about who these teams return as starters.. Actually Georgia returns more starters and lettermen than OSU. From of a team with a better 2008 record than OSU, out of a conference that was better than the Big 12. Georgia also outgained their competetion last year by about +75 ypg while OSU was +25 ypg. And Georgia did this while also dealing with 44 starts lost to injury. And now they have 15 starters back from a 10-3 team, including many of those injured players. This is the reason why I've heard a fair share of SEC people hinting around that the Dawgs could be the surprise team in the SEC this year. And if you dismiss this team because Stafford is gone, just keep in mind that Georgia won the SEC title back in 2005 with a first year QB Shockley.

 

[bigdaveyt]

Let's get our facts straight about who these teams return as starters.. Actually Georgia returns more starters and lettermen than OSU. From of a team with a better 2008 record than OSU, out of a conference that was better than the Big 12. Georgia also outgained their competetion last year by about +75 ypg while OSU was +25 ypg. And Georgia did this while also dealing with 44 starts lost to injury. And now they have 15 starters back from a 10-3 team, including many of those injured players. This is the reason why I've heard a fair share of SEC people hinting around that the Dawgs could be the surprise team in the SEC this year. And if you dismiss this team because Stafford is gone, just keep in mind that Georgia won the SEC title back in 2005 with a first year QB Shockley.

I think the real question is: who brings the better defense? We all know Okie St got torched in 3 of the L4 games of their season (TTech put up 56, OK 61, Oregon 43). As a team, you can't give up 40+ points and expect to win. If new Veteran Defensive Coordinator Bill Young can improve the OKst defensive backfield (only 1 starter returns), I think OkSt has a great shot at making some noise this year. I don't see Georgia running much on OkSt (returning everyone up front), but if they can manage to get some 3 step passes and get into that secondary, this could be a high scoring affair.

Maybe the safe bet is the over? Provided it isn't more then 45.

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GoSooners: Great post on looking at teams with lower expectations. While NC St probably didn't have any expectations last year, they finished last in their division and went 9-2-1 ATS. Thought that was interesting, though probably a fluke.

 

[sdf]

From of a team with a better 2008 record than OSU, out of a conference that was better than the Big 12.

i think you're spot on with the rest of your comments but I think Big12 was better than SEC last year. But that's a whole 'nother thread altogether and one that will never have a resolution @)


I like OKSt on the 1st half line. I expect a good start from them but Georgia has the team and coaching to cover the line and win the game in the 2nd half.

 

[SoonerBS]

i agree. okie state has alot of returning starters. uga return very few. includ losing stafford and moreno. this is gonna be 1st tough road game for a young uga team. i really wanna hit the line while its low

You might want to hit a few old threads from this Summer in here and get caught up on some "useful" information that can help you with your season. I can see that you have been listening a lot to the media during the preseason. Or, you could be shooting from the gut here on this statement, which if you are, let me be the first to tell you that it is just gas . . . .

 

[GoSooners]

i think you're spot on with the rest of your comments but I think Big12 was better than SEC last year. But that's a whole 'nother thread altogether and one that will never have a resolution @)


I like OKSt on the 1st half line. I expect a good start from them but Georgia has the team and coaching to cover the line and win the game in the 2nd half.

sdf...I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on conference strength between the Big 12 and the SEC, although I do think the conferences were closer in strength than they've been in a long time.....What bothers me about this game and a few other games that I'm seeing out there is the carried over hype that some of the good 2008 ATS teams are getting with the lines. Like you probably know by now, I don't like teams who are trying to repeat a season where they made everybody money. It very seldom happens two years in a row. That's what we're asking of teams like OU, OSU, Texas, Baylor, Cal to name a few...Cal has completely gotten out of hand at -21. Baylor is for all practical purposes not getting points (+2). So they're going to have to win the game straight up now. And although I think they are very capable of doing it, without having those points as a safety net makes this a much tougher bet to make. Texas is up to -40 and climbing. They aren't going to get any break with the lines this year after demolishing some of their ooc opponents in '08.. Especially in those early games. OU won 10 games ATS last season, and now their BYU line is already up to 23. So it's gone from a 3 to a 4 score game. As for OSU, the early lines and indicators said that this would be a 3 point line. It's now up to -5.5 to 6 in some places. All I can tell you is just be careful. Teams who had a good ATS record the year before don't have a good cover record in first games the next season.

 

[GoSooners]

I think the real question is: who brings the better defense? We all know Okie St got torched in 3 of the L4 games of their season (TTech put up 56, OK 61, Oregon 43). As a team, you can't give up 40+ points and expect to win. If new Veteran Defensive Coordinator Bill Young can improve the OKst defensive backfield (only 1 starter returns), I think OkSt has a great shot at making some noise this year. I don't see Georgia running much on OkSt (returning everyone up front), but if they can manage to get some 3 step passes and get into that secondary, this could be a high scoring affair.

Maybe the safe bet is the over? Provided it isn't more then 45.

I'm still looking at the OSU/Georgia game, but I can tell you that Bill Young may have to be a miracle worker to be able to keep Georgia from running the ball on this defense. Although OSU gave up a respectable 119 ypg against the run last season, it was in basically a passing conference without strong running teams. They still gave up around 4 ypc. If you look at OSU's bowl game vs Oregon, OSU averaged just 3.2 yards rushing per attempt on offense while giving up an average of 7.7 ypc to Oregon. I think the jury is still out on how well Georgia will be able to run against OSU. But I can tell you that they averaged over 4 yards per carry last season against teams like LSU, Auburn and Vandy. Teams similar or better in defensive strength to OSU. If Georgia is able to average anywhere around 4.0 ypc or more in this game they will more than likely be the running dogs. And I like my running dogs.

 

[sdf]

What bothers me about this game and a few other games that I'm seeing out there is the carried over hype that some of the good 2008 ATS teams are getting with the lines. Like you probably know by now, I don't like teams who are trying to repeat a season where they made everybody money. It very seldom happens two years in a row. That's what we're asking of teams like OU, OSU, Texas, Baylor, Cal to name a few...Cal has completely gotten out of hand at -21. Baylor is for all practical purposes not getting points (+2). So they're going to have to win the game straight up now. And although I think they are very capable of doing it, without having those points as a safety net makes this a much tougher bet to make. Texas is up to -40 and climbing. They aren't going to get any break with the lines this year after demolishing some of their ooc opponents in '08.. Especially in those early games. OU won 10 games ATS last season, and now their BYU line is already up to 23. So it's gone from a 3 to a 4 score game. As for OSU, the early lines and indicators said that this would be a 3 point line. It's now up to -5.5 to 6 in some places. All I can tell you is just be careful. Teams who had a good ATS record the year before don't have a good cover record in first games the next season.

i would think you'd like the hype so you can bet against it. @)

i dont think OKSt will be world beaters and I expect UGa to be a good and underrated team this year. But I do like OKSt in the 1st half as I'm expecting a fast start from them on offense while UGa may keep it a little plain to start the game.

With 2nd half adjustments and defense, I do expect UGa to keep it close or win the game.

and this year SEC should be a bit better than Big12. so we can agree on that

 

[xyzky]

The line might move to 7 in the coming weeks. I think OSU will be a public play because of the media.

 

[GoSooners]

i would think you'd like the hype so you can bet against it. @)

i dont think OKSt will be world beaters and I expect UGa to be a good and underrated team this year. But I do like OKSt in the 1st half as I'm expecting a fast start from them on offense while UGa may keep it a little plain to start the game.

With 2nd half adjustments and defense, I do expect UGa to keep it close or win the game.

and this year SEC should be a bit better than Big12. so we can agree on that

A few days ago when I thought the line would be around 3 to 3.5 I was going to stay as far away from this game as possible. But the -6 is starting to get my attention. And your right, hype can be my friend when playing against it.

 

[urfavorite]

i know the forums are supposed to be all about talk. but hey im winning $$$ lol. any non biased opinions out there for okie state vs uga...? no offence guys but my rebuttals just happen to be sooner fans