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In case anyone was wondering about the upcoming Hilton football contest here is an article on today's home page.

Getting set for Hilton contest
7/10/03 - Stephen Nover

The invitation arrived in the mail yesterday, but it wasn't for a party or wedding. It was a sign up sheet for the Las Vegas Hilton's annual football SuperContest.

The rules remain the same: Make five weekly NFL selections (sides only, no totals) against the spread. Registration begins Aug. 1, and the contestant or official proxy must submit selections in person at the Hilton sports book.

First place is worth approximately $165,000 based on 275 entries, with the top 20 earning payouts. There's also a $10,000 early sign up bonus contest to those entering before 5 p.m. on Aug. 24. The Hilton throws in a $10,000 aggregate bonus to anyone who can hit better than 67 percent. Good luck on that one.

Oh yes, entry fee is $1,500. Is it worth entering the contest?

"If you think you're a good handicapper and have the money fine," said professional bettor Russ Culver. "If you have to beg and borrow money then it's not a good idea."

Culver has competed four times in the contest, finishing first in 1999. Another time he placed ninth. The other two times he only hit around 50 percent. His advice is if you're going to enter the contest, treat it as a five-year plan. Don't just do it as a one-time thing. Try doing it for five years.

"If you finish in the top-10 once in five years you've made money," Culver said. "But you have to hit 60 percent or you can forget about it."

This isn't an exaggeration. There was a record 281 entrants last year. Many of these handicappers are sharp, so to actually have a shot at winning figure you must hit at least 63 percent. Usually it takes between 64 and 66 percent to finish first.

According to research compiled by the Web site TwoMinuteWarning.com, if half the contestants handicap 55 percent you would have only a 50/50 chance of grabbing the top prize even if you hit an amazing 69 percent. TwoMinuteWarning came to this conclusion by running a simulated version of the contest 10,000 times.

"Now the truth is there are very few people who can handicap to 55 percent on selective plays, and even less who can do it under the rules of the contest," wrote TwoMinuteWarning in an article about the contest. "But the drift should be clear on this. The Las Vegas Hilton is a contest that requires a brilliant season and a good deal of luck."

While there are good handicappers in the contest, probably about one-third of the field consists of amateurs and squares. With such a large field, though, you're still going to need 60 percent winners to cash. You're also going to have to do this under a very tough format, with just one betting line.

"Some people can manage 60 percent by taking 3 1/2 and laying 2 1/2," Culver said. "Here you have to hit 60 percent playing bad numbers and passing on your favorite game because the number isn't right.

"In addition, you have to turn in all your plays 48 hours before kickoff, which takes out injuries and weather.

"This isn't hitting 60 percent on Sunday at noon by calling three different bookmakers and shopping five different offshore lines. It's a lot harder type of 60 percent."

Unfortunately, surrender isn't an option like it is at some blackjack tables. Have one really bad week and you're in big trouble. Have a second bad week and you can kiss your $1,500 goodbye.

"You have to hit the ground running," Culver said. "The year I won it I had my first week's picks figured out by the first week of August. Right now, I'm looking at the NFL every day. You can't wait until the exhibition season is over and say what are the lines on the first week.

"You have to have a feel for the teams in August. To win it you have to catch a wave. The years I didn't win it I never caught a wave. In '99 I caught the St. Louis Rams. The wave consists of certain teams either for or against. I already have three or four teams I'm ready to ride.

"If my waves are good waves then I'll have a good year. If they're not, then I won't. You don't re-handicap the NFL every week. The bookmakers will be slow to adjust. If a team that was 5-11 last year plays terrific the first week, everyone will just say it's a fluke. Maybe it's a fluke, maybe it isn't. If you like that team stick with it because they're only going to adjust that team one or two points."

Another piece of Culver wisdom is to throw out last year's won/lost records. Instead, dig deeper into team schedules and analyze the point in time teams played each other. Beating the New York Jets late in the season, for instance, meant a lot more than defeating them early when they didn't have their act together.

"There's a tendency to look at won-lost records too much," Culver said. "You have to see how the teams did against certain schedules, not just won/lost. That's where you can find a lot of mistakes by the public."
 

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Good Read...

What about the top 10 Middle of the Road Posters as your next one?

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Sad thing about this is how its become this almost de facto advertisement for a lot of touts. Winning the contest or being top 10 multiple years almost begs for someone to become a tout. That is all fine and good, but imagine if someone from a book company was waiting at Binions and everyone at the final table was offered a book contract or a teaching gig? People would laugh at the thought, but quietly it has become that. I never entered the contest because I think it is totally luck, Russ is completely right on that. Just like the a poker tournament, the best handicappers are more likely to come out on top, but a rank amateur could have a stellar season and then fool the world after Jim Feist signs him up and advertises the crap out of him. Don't laugh, I have it on good word that exactly this happened before. Not in that obvious a way, it was a little more subtle, but basically a guy parlayed a great showing (lucky at that) into working as an overrated tout.
 

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Good post Wild Bill. I agree and perhaps will do a follow up article going into this. Do you have an e-mail address I can reach you at?
As for Shrink's suggestion on doing a column on middle of the posters ... LOL ... My days writing about posters are over.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stephen:
As for Shrink's suggestion on doing a column on middle of the road posters ... LOL ... My days writing about posters are over.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damn ... I thought I had a chance for a mention! LOL

Nice article Stephen...
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The contest is actually playable now that the biggest bandit and scoundrel in the history of Las Vegas sports books is no longer mismanaging the Hilton sports book. Art Manteris used to skim 10% of the entry money for what he called an "administrative fee". Of course none of the local media ever took him to task for it because they were afraid the Hilton Corp might pull their advertising from the local "fish wrap" newspapers.

When Art was at the Hilton, he used to close people's phone accounts if they won and tried to charge -120 on NBA totals. He weasled his way into Station casinos and now mismanages their race and sports operation. His latest claim to fame is having one of his "yes men" managers try to get a sports ticket back from a player after the NBA game started. They told the bettor that he had bet a game knowing there were injuries to one team. Shame on that bettor. Studying and doing his homework and then betting a game with information that was available to everyone all day long.

Wild Bill is right on when he stated the Hilton contest can be a stage for new scamdicappers. An unknown has a hot year and one of the big tout outfits scoops him and up and most of the time the guy never picks another winner.

[This message was edited by soccerbob on July 11, 2003 at 12:48 AM.]
 

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Wasnt Art Manteris the guy that ratted out Artie and got his safety deposit box seized.
 

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Rail- Which Artie are you talking about? The amazing thing about Manteris is he has no balls, no personality, limited sports and bookmaking knowledge and he continually turns up in management positions. Amazing.
 

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Well reason why Manteris is still a popular commodity isn't for his people skills, its because he has always run an excellent ship from a bottom line perspective. Player-friendly is something you never hear about him, but then again who offers a "player friendly" craps pit or bingo hall? The house loves the guy because sports can be a boondoggle for some casinos with no clear idea of how much business it brings it, but Manteris is very skilled at keeping the numbers good in the book and also he is good at doing some analysis to prove his operations worth in the pit as well. To call him a weasel and an idiot isn't going to do good, he is a corporate guy and measures his ability by the results he produces for his bosses. Stations really needed that, I know a VP there and he said their attempts at getting all that locals play to come in the door was disastrous and with their high stock valuation the books dragging down their numbers had the Fertitta boys in a total tizzy. Unlike the Strip, Stations has a much higher vested interest in making money off the book because by nature their sports players don't play much of anything else since they are locals and they don't get big pit or slot players from book customers like a Strip joint would.

Nover, contact me at fadethedog@hotmail.com Don't ask too many questions about this particular story though regarding the tout, I have a no disclosure agreement that could be violated if I said much about this, as much as I would love to spill the beans about this story I can't
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WildBill- I think we should hold a bake sale for the Fertittas. You're a sharp guy but you have me scratching my head. How could your VP guy there tell you it was "disastrous" getting the locals in the door. Who the hell else is going to come throught the doors? Not the tourists. The Station properties are located too far from the strip and they have no attraction to make it worth the tourists while to go to any of them. They are local grind joints.

Part of what has to drive their property is a successful race and sports operation. You don't get that by limiting a regular player to a $20 house Q or trying to get a sports ticket back from a guy because he bet an "injury" game that was up on the board all day long. Station casinos has lost a lot of business and those are people that even though they mainly bet race and sports, they might also eat, go to a movie or do other things in a locals casino as well as bring a wife or girlfriend that will most likely play the machines. It all correlates. Stations properties are getting smacked by the Coast properties in a lot of different areas.

Go into the sports book at any Station casino on an average night and they're a morgue. If they don't want the sports bettors, then they should rip the book out and put in more slots and video poker and put a little shitty Leroy's satellite book in the corner.
 

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You aren't understanding me Bob. Locals were essentially lured in with phone accounts (before the freaking pagers) and better numbers/higher limits more so than before for a time about 3 or 4 years ago, cant remember exactly. These were decent to big SPORTS bettors and they are lousy customers for a casino that makes all their money off slots. It was a financial disaster, believe me I heard numbers that I had never heard before. Part of the problem is that the locals places don't get as much pure stupid money on sports, once again these people are locals and don't go gamble crazy like they do on the Strip. They pick their spots better, they don't throw so much money away on horrendous odds cards, they dumb ones bet within reasonable limits because the games are always there...in short running a locals book is a raging nightmare and oftentimes its only the races that keep their numbers on the safe side of the margin. Stations had a high cost of running those books for awhile and decided they would try to get higher handles to try to spread them out and get some good will. It failed miserably and that had the Fertittas pissed off. Stations might be the darling of the stock world right now, but don't forget just a few years ago they were getting their butts kicked and the stock just wouldn't go up. In the end California is turning out to be their savior, but not that long ago these guys were trying many things you might not even realize to try to grow the locals business and fend off the Coasts.
 

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This thing is a lot of fun. Entered last year with a pretty sharp fellow but we didn't do too well, LOL. Came on late some but slow out of the gate.....
 

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Great Read -- what would really be great is to get Malinsky, Culver, and Lang back together on the radio.

There was more quality information contained in that piece than will normally be seen. Solid article with a source that is as solid as they come.
 

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been there- Dave Malinsky was great to listen to. He's down in the tropics somewhere with his big-titted, hot girlfriend. Russ Culver doesn't do much radio anymore and the Stardust canned Arne Lang because he wouldn't kiss Joe Lupo's and the Stardust's asses like John Kelly does.

Dave Cokin is sharp and well spoken and the guy with him (can't recall his name) is good as well so the Sunday night show is still a very good source of information for college football.
 

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S.BOB,

"big-titted, hot girlfriend" I am shocked that Dave would do something like that. He seemed like such a nice young man on the radio!!!!!!
 

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