Help with two Washington/Arizona and Minnesota/ Carolina?

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Right now I got-
Washington -3
Carolina +3.5

Any thoughts, Need these two plays to make a solid week for my picks.
 

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Washington is money.

The Carolina spread is real tricky here. Minnesota is in a must win situation at home. If the fans get loud enough, and the Defensive co-ordinator does a lot of different pre-snap looks, it will throw Delhomme off, as it's going to be hard to audible. I avoided the game personally.
 

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I would tease these games together or combo it with the SanFran-Detroit Over.
 

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Arizona Is For Real This Year. Washington Wins One Game And Everybody Thinks They Are Good Again. This Team Was Horrible In The Pre Season, Looked Horrible In Opener, And If It Wasn't For Bad Saints Defense Would Be 0 For 2008. Arizona Has A Legitimate Defense This Year With An Explosive Offense That Has Shown Ability This Year To Run Out The Clock In 4th Quarter. No Points Will Be Needed In This One As Wrong Team Favored. Washington Along With All Stops In Nfc East Has Been House Of Horrors For This Cardinal Franchise But This Is A Different Cardinals Team That Will Be Proven To All As Time Goes On.
 

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It's awfully hard to take the Vikings if AP isn't 100%.
With Steve Smith back, Carolina is an even better team than the first 2 games. The away underdog has won outright 7 times this year. I like Carolina's chances in winning outright.
 

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Show Me Examples This Year And Not Last Year When This Defense Was Bad.
 

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Show Me Examples This Year And Not Last Year When This Defense Was Bad.

That's moronic. Show me how they are a (in your words) LEGITIMATE defense this year. Did they sign any big name free agents, Draft any big time rookies, any of their young players finally breaking through.

If you can't answer this question. Then tell me when you say Legitimate what you mean.

Top 3, Top 5, Top 10, Top 15, Top 20, Top 25, Top 32 How "LEGITIMATE" is their defense, then back up your answer with something. I'm not picking on you, but there's a lot of people that shoot off at the mouth and don't have any backing with their opinion.
 

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First, There Are A Couple Pro Bowlers On That Team In Adrian Wilson And Karlos Danby. Rolle Is A Must Better Player Since Being Moved To Safety. Berry And Defensive Line Is Much Improved With Leboy. Corners Are Their Weakness But Gave What 10 Pts To Sf Who Put Up 30+ On The Big Bad Seabags Defense And Gave Up 10 Pts To Miami With A Junk Td Late. We Will Revisit This Tomorrow But Past Cards Defense Give Up 20+ To Both Of These Teams Despite How Bad Other Team Is. They Are Getting And Will Continue To Get Turnovers To Boot. I Don't Mean To Pick On You But I Am Still Waiting On Why You Think They Are A Bad Defense Since They Have Not Shown Anything But Solid Play This Year.
 

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They are not a GOOD defense until they have PROVEN themselves.

All I've seen this year, is a game in which they handled the Dolphins Offense (Who isn't going to handle them this year, and I am a Dolphins fan so I speak with knowledge) and a San Fran offense that was just getting adjusted. New OC, New QB. No team can make those 2 changes and look good in their first game.

Wilson and Dansby are the only 2 legitimate players on that team. Berry is done for, he is no longer a threat as a pass rush. And Leboy was overpayed and Overhyped. Honestly are you trying to tell me Arizona's D-Line is something to be feared. HONESTLY??? They have a mediocre Linebacking squad with 1 budding Star (Dansby). And their Secondary is lead by Adrian Wilson (Another Bright Star). Rolle looks better than what he did at Corner, but he still is nothing more than an above average Safety.

Define LEGITIMATE for me PLEASE!!! Are they a Top 3, Top 5, Top 10, Top 15, Top 20 Defense or what? SHOW ME that they are good, WITHOUT those 2 mediocre examples of the first 2 weeks.

Come on Kojak you can do better. Either Justify your word Legitimate or admit you overshot your opinion which was not based on facts.
 

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I was all over the Saints last week, i dont know what to do now.

It's not like Washington dominated, they still looked awful for 3 quarters.
 

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washington is not going to lose to the CARDINALS at fedex stadium..

carolina is the real deal and gus ferrotte is not going to do anything
 

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I Am Still Waiting For You To Prove That This Year The Cards Defense Is Not Good. You Can Only Play Who Is On The Schedule But All I Hear Is A Lot Of Talk From You Without Proving Your Point That This Year The Cards Defense Is Not Good. This Is A Top 15 Defense At Least. Last Time I Checked, Which I Will Try To Go Back And Find It, Cards Defense Was Near Top Last Year As Well In Top 15. I Am Convinced You Are Good At Blowing Hot Air But Waiting For Stats Or Anything Else You Can Come Up With To Prove Cards Defense Is Bad This Year. If You Say That Schedule Up Coming Will Prove Your Point Then That Is Not A Legitimate Argument Until The Games Are Played. Names Don't Make A Defense. Results Do My Friend. I Am Not Trying To Get Into A Pissing Match With You But It Does Seem Like You Are With Me But Not Backing Up Your Own Argument.
 

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Arizona Is For Real This Year. Washington Wins One Game And Everybody Thinks They Are Good Again. This Team Was Horrible In The Pre Season, Looked Horrible In Opener, And If It Wasn't For Bad Saints Defense Would Be 0 For 2008. Arizona Has A Legitimate Defense This Year With An Explosive Offense That Has Shown Ability This Year To Run Out The Clock In 4th Quarter. No Points Will Be Needed In This One As Wrong Team Favored. Washington Along With All Stops In Nfc East Has Been House Of Horrors For This Cardinal Franchise But This Is A Different Cardinals Team That Will Be Proven To All As Time Goes On.


I thought this last week and the Saints lost.
 

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Washington moved the ball well the whole game last week they just had to settle for FG's and even missed a few chip shots.. I'm leaning on wash.. just not sold on this 'zona team.
 

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if you really want to put money on the cardinals.. go ahead. i don't care if they are playing a college team that franchise is a joke.
 

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It's awfully hard to take the Vikings if AP isn't 100%.
With Steve Smith back, Carolina is an even better team than the first 2 games. The away underdog has won outright 7 times this year. I like Carolina's chances in winning outright.

I show Rd's as 5-11 so far this year tb and there are an amazing 15 of them to choose from this week
 

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Arizona Is For Real This Year. Washington Wins One Game And Everybody Thinks They Are Good Again. This Team Was Horrible In The Pre Season, Looked Horrible In Opener, And If It Wasn't For Bad Saints Defense Would Be 0 For 2008. Arizona Has A Legitimate Defense This Year With An Explosive Offense That Has Shown Ability This Year To Run Out The Clock In 4th Quarter. No Points Will Be Needed In This One As Wrong Team Favored. Washington Along With All Stops In Nfc East Has Been House Of Horrors For This Cardinal Franchise But This Is A Different Cardinals Team That Will Be Proven To All As Time Goes On.

I agree that Arizona's D is much improved and think they get the job done on Sunday as well. Berry has 2 sacks in 2 games so I don't think he has lost his skills at all. The only thing that worries me is the injuries to LaBoy and Watson. Watson will go I think but LaBoy is Questionable with him out that really hurts their rotation and I think that will be the reason Arizona wouldn't win the game. BOL today men.
 

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