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[ From the brilliant libertarian Neal Boortz]


Boortz: Healthcare is not a right




Most government-educated Americans would be shocked to hear that there is no "right" to healthcare. Tell me where in our Constitution it is written that you have a right to a portion on someone else's life .. in this case, it would be the service of providing medical care at the point of a gun. Well, the Democrats are on a fast track to ensuring that Americans can claim healthcare as a "right." Under the House Democrats proposed plan, the federal government would be responsible for making sure that every person has health insurance. Did you know that if you as an individual choose not to obtain health insurance, the federal government will seize 2.5% of your income? That's right. At the point of a gun, the federal government will seize your income. Now there is one important fact to keep in mind – this assumes that you have an income. For the poor, poor pitiful poor, the federal government isn't going to come along and seize their double-wides or rent-to-own furniture. Nope. In fact, they will be getting a government handout to obtain health insurance! The same goes for employers, which will be required by law to offer healthcare benefits to employees or face stiff penalties equal to 8% of workers' wages.

Two questions.



First, why are the Democrats doing this? This is the easiest to answer. The Democrats want to make people more dependent on government. They are going to do this by offering something that more Americans now value above all: stability. Americans think they want freedom. What a crock. Americans will whine about their freedom to choose which sports team to root for or which Hollywood gossip magazine to buy. But when freedom requires any ounce of personal responsibility, people immediately wipe their hands clean and want someone else to do it for them.


This is where the Democrats come in .. the Democrats will make sure that the government is there to do the things the people of this country no longer feel is their personal responsibility. The reason why the Democrats are willing to do this is also simple: power. Ensuring votes. Not hard to figure out, is it?
Second, who is going to pay for this? That's also easy to answer. The achievers. The filthy, disgusting rich. The small business owners. If you are an individual making over $280,000 you will be shouldering even more of the tax burden in order to pay for this government healthcare/redistribution scheme. Don't worry, that's just a starting point. That number will slowly shift downward as Democrats realize they don't have the enough money to fund their dreams and schemes. But guess what? That includes more than 1 million small businesses in America. Those small businesses that provide jobs and write paychecks .. yep, those are the evil rich people the Democrats want to hit with tax increases. And to really play on the wealth envy of Americans, the Democrats want to increase taxes even more .. 5.4% tax increase .. on people earning more than $1 million a year. I'm sure most Americans are okay with that one. Those people are millionaires because they were lucky! Right?


By the way, the Democrats also want to ram this thing through the Congress as fast as possible. We are talking within weeks. That move is also not hard to understand .. the longer Americans have to really look into the details of this bill and begin to understand the consequences of this bill, the harder it will be to support it. Then again, that assumes that Americans give a flying Krispy Kreme about the future of this country.
 

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Honest debate huh?

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Healthcare Is "Not a Right" and Obama's Plan Will Cost Way Beyond $1T, Ron Paul Says
Posted Jul 16, 2009 07:36am EDT by Peter Gorenstein in Healthcare Information, Newsmakers
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Healthcare legislation is quickly picking up momentum in Washington. Three separate committees in the House of Representatives are hard at work hammering out details of a bill. Votes are planned today in the Education and Labor and Ways and Means committees on a plan that majority House Democrats presented this week. The legislation seeks to provide coverage to nearly all Americans by subsidizing the poor and penalizing individuals and employers who don't purchase health insurance.

Meanwhile, the Senate Health committee on Wednesday approved its own version of a bill. Their plan sets up a government-run insurance system to compete with private insurers, and like the House, requires many employers to provide insurance for their workers or face penalties and requires individuals to purchase their own insurance.

Each proposal carries an estimated price tag of about $1 Trillion over the next decade. And that figure will probably balloon says Rep. Ron Paul. "They've never been right on projections of medical programs," referring to his colleagues in Congress, "they're always off by 100%, 200%. It always costs a lot more."

As you my have guessed, the independent minded Paul, is no fan of government involvement in healthcare. In this accompanying video exclusive, taped at the Capitol Hill Rotunda in Washington D.C., Paul, who is also an M.D., opens up to Aaron Task about his concerns regarding the government taking a larger role in the medical game.

As far as the Texas Congressman is concerned, healthcare is not a right. "I don't have a right to medical care," he emphatically states. In his view, the constitution only guarantees citizens "life, liberty and (the right to) keep the fruits of my labor."

Don't be mistaken, he's very clear to point out, he is in favor of all citizens receiving medical care. "I want everybody to have maximum care at the best price. And that's why I want the government out of it completely."

Well, agree with him or not, even he admits some form of a bill will probably pass. Reports indicate, if the Democrats find support in both Houses that bill could arrive on President Obama's desk by October.

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The fact that americans have to pay for healthcare and many can't afford it is proof that it's a joke when Presidents, etc say ''This is the greatest nation in the world''

As for these poor rich businesses that have to pay more, America gave them the opportunity to make that cash so surely they can give a little back.

Anyways, can't say I care that much about the issue seeing as how I'm from Canada.
 

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As for these poor rich businesses that have to pay more, America gave them the opportunity to make that cash so surely they can give a little back.

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so those who live the american dream -- study, work hard, make smart decisions, maybe get a little lucky in the process -- should then be expected to share in the nightmare of those who failed, and not only that but be looked upon with disdain because they're successful?
 

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The fact that americans have to pay for healthcare and many can't afford it is proof that it's a joke when Presidents, etc say ''This is the greatest nation in the world''

As for these poor rich businesses that have to pay more, America gave them the opportunity to make that cash so surely they can give a little back.

Anyways, can't say I care that much about the issue seeing as how I'm from Canada.

Canada would be nothing more than a frozen Russian outpost without "the greatest nation in the world".

Don't forget it.
 

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The only thing standing between Russia and Canada is Sarah Palin's back porch.
 

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As for these poor rich businesses that have to pay more, America gave them the opportunity to make that cash so surely they can give a little back.

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so those who live the american dream -- study, work hard, make smart decisions, maybe get a little lucky in the process -- should then be expected to share in the nightmare of those who failed, and not only that but be looked upon with disdain because they're successful?

Actually, I can see both sides. I wouldn't want to be supporting deadbeats either. I'm just saying if you are claiming to be the best nation in the world, people shouldn't be denied healthcare in your country just because they can't afford it. We've all heard the stories.

Also, some people can't help being poor, although I'm sure for a lot of them it's just because they are lazy.
 

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Canada would be nothing more than a frozen Russian outpost without "the greatest nation in the world".

Don't forget it.

Hey, you need our water and oil so don't forget that either. Don't get me wrong, I consider America almost as dear to me as Canada. I am just wondering since U.S.A is a superpower people shouldn't be denied healthcare. I've heard so many stories from my uncle who lives down there. Is it true that many can't afford operations and end up dying because they don't come up with the money? That doesn't seem right either.
 

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Hey, you need our water and oil so don't forget that either. Don't get me wrong, I consider America almost as dear to me as Canada. I am just wondering since U.S.A is a superpower people shouldn't be denied healthcare. I've heard so many stories from my uncle who lives down there. Is it true that many can't afford operations and end up dying because they don't come up with the money? That doesn't seem right either.

No we don't need your water...we have the Great Lakes too. Your oil is nice, but we buy it...just like anybody else would or could on the global market.

And no...those stories are not true. I've never heard of such things...people dying because they can't afford opeations.

I have heard of people dying in Canada because the wait is too long...but hey...it's paid for...if you can make it through the line.
 

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The only thing standing between Russia and Canada is Sarah Palin's back porch.

ahh, wouldn't be a complete day without you or the loons pulling a sarah palin reference.
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No we don't need your water...we have the Great Lakes too. Your oil is nice, but we buy it...just like anybody else would or could on the global market.

And no...those stories are not true. I've never heard of such things...people dying because they can't afford opeations.

I have heard of people dying in Canada because the wait is too long...but hey...it's paid for...if you can make it through the line.

Oh yeah, not that I've experienced it, thank God, but the waits can be insane. Funny how I know people that have come to Canada (because they have a citizenship) to get an operation since it's free here but at the same time citizens from Canada go elsewhere to pay for an operation because the wait is too long here. You can't get it perfect in any aspect of life. Just close to it as possible I guess.
 

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Actually, I can see both sides. I wouldn't want to be supporting deadbeats either. I'm just saying if you are claiming to be the best nation in the world, people shouldn't be denied healthcare in your country just because they can't afford it. We've all heard the stories.

Also, some people can't help being poor, although I'm sure for a lot of them it's just because they are lazy.

i believe it is a moral responsibility to provide for all citizens, rich and poor. as i have looked into the issue and gone beyond my initial gut reaction, i have realized that we need to do something. raising taxes on the wealthy is not the first step. they have also raised the taxes on cigarettes by a considerable amount to help fund this. they were considering raising taxes on other consumer goods to help supplement the cost, but they have abandoned this idea to once again tax the wealthiest. the reason they decided to abandon taxing beverages that contain sugar (at least for now) is that this would affect all of us. it is more politically prudent to piss off the minority than the majority with elections coming up next year.

the question for me, as an average taxpayer, is how do i wish for the money taken from the sweat of my brow to be spent? i have to understand my own personal values and look at the perspective. i also look to the future, and the other agendas that are on the table. if i knew the argument would end with healthcare it would be much easier to roll with it. but that is not the case. this administration has other issues that it is pursuing that will have to be paid for, either directly or indirectly. some of these agendas i do not believe in.

i do not want my tax dollars providing routine medical care to illegal aliens. it would be immoral to deny someone life saving treatment based on status, but i have no problem deporting them and their families -- and my tax dollars paying for it -- back to the country of origin once they are in good enough health to travel. i do not want my tax dollars paying for an abortion simply because that child is not wanted -- i believe that is immoral. of course they tell me that i do not fall into the tax bracket that will pay for this. still, because i have empathy in my heart, i feel for the wealthiest amercans who will no doubt bear the brunt of the cost. i am sure the president would understand.

all that being said, i take no position on the current proposal. i'm still looking into it....and wondering what's next.

and real quick here, as far as the poor: there are those who are able bodied, and the only initiative they take is to stand in line all day and fight for the government check, and then spend days devising ways to maximize their payout without so much as googling for a job. those are the folks who i consider scabs on the ass of society.
 

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I imagine that for the most part, people in the USA don't "die" due to lack of access to needed surgeries.

For many, it's actually worse.

They're still alive and their unaddressed ailments make the remainder of their years a living hell.
 

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I imagine that for the most part, people in the USA don't "die" due to lack of access to needed surgeries.

For many, it's actually worse.

They're still alive and their unaddressed ailments make the remainder of their years a living hell.

yeah, but some examples i've heard about government run systems don't help alleviate the concern. i'm going off memory here and can't quote sources, so if i'm wrong you guys can kiss my ass, but:

there were 3 new drugs proven to prolong the life of terminally ill cancer patients in britain. the government refused to introduce these drugs into its government run system because the cost of the drugs in relation to the months it added to life weren't deemed cost effective. only after a public outcry did the government allow these drugs into its system.

there was one more example but i forgot. something to do with someone who was terminally ill, fell and broke a hip, and because their life expectancy was less than 30 days that person died with a broken hip....something like that.
 

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Some believe basic coverage and care is a right - regardless of the keywords being funneled into the debate by the health industry.

Mathew 25:40
The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

Thanks for the above post. The attitude expressed in that New Testament scripture is the prevailing motivation for my own belief that we collectively pool our efforts to help assure that as many of our fellow Americans receive needed health care and assistance as is possible.
 

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Wow! put a little scripture behind your argument and the rat wangers go away. I am going to remember that.
 

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Obviously there is no connection with the absence of health care with life expectancy and general well being. :lol:

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Just don't get sick without health care.
 

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