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Coaching can play a pretty big part in my handicapping. If there is a bad coach with a terrible track record involved, I'll usually leave the game alone. Or bet against him.. Especially if he's made a favorite. I find that betting on bad coaches on a consistent basis can quickly drive you to the poor house. But during the season i see people come on here all the time and make their teams the bet of the decade. But I've found that games involving these kinds of coaches are far from a lock in any sense of the word. No matter how good the game looks. I can usually count on one hand the amount of times I'll be on one of these suckers during the season. And when I do, the other coach usually has to be just as bad.
On the other hand, the better coaches can win you bets that look impossible to the general public. When these kinds of coaches are made the dogs by the betting public, it gets my attention in a hurry. Here is a list of my top 10 favorites I like. And some that I wouldn't trust to take my dog for a walk.

Coaches I like:

1.Urban Meyer: Right now, the most innovative coach in the game. The one to catch. Two BCS titles speak for themselves...Case closed.

2.Pete Carroll: Despite losing that one game in conference every season, I don't think anybody can deny that he raised USC up to a whole other level than where they were 10 years ago. A great recruiter that has arguably the best personnel in football year after year. And also one of the best in-game coaches in the game.

3.Bob Stoops: Yes, like Jim Tressel he's caught the BCS losing disease the past few years. But did anybody really stop to think that in the the 3 BCS title games that OU played in against LSU, USC and Florida that the Sooners just weren't the best team? Hardly the fault of the coach. The 2007 West Virginia BCS game loss withstanding where there was more involved with OU's loss there that didn't have anything to do with coaching than the general public was aware of, the Boise State team that OU played in 2006 was the best team in Broncos history. And I can tell you that the 2006 version of the Sooners was arguably the weakest team in the Stoops era. They had a converted wide receiver at QB for Christ's sake. At any rate, no matter what you think of OU, they've consistently been toward the very top of the rankings for the past decade under Stoops, who has accumulated an amazing 109-24 record and one national title in his 10 years.. It's hard to argue with success.

4.Brian Kelly: One of those kinds of coaches who can virtually will his team to a win. Is there a game that goes by that he's not out there on the 50 yard line arguing his case to any referee that will listen? This guy's head is in the game more than any coach that I've seen. I would like to see what he could do with a real powerhouse team. A fantastic motivator.

5.Tom O'Brien: This guy did a hell of a job when he was at Boston College. Anybody who can guide a football team to 8 straight bowl wins is more than just lucky. And now in his second year at NCST he's already started to make more noise in the ACC. An 86-59 coaching record speaks for itself.

6.Butch Davis: An absolute killer recruiter that knows the x's and o's of the game as well as anyone around. He has a national championship under his belt from his Miami days. He's coached in the NFL. He's somebody who has been around. And he's accumulated a very impressive 63-33 record along the way.

7.Gary Patterson:A coach who preaches good fundamentals and defense. A very no nonsense coach that doesn't take any shit from anybody. Including the TCU alumni. Which is probably the big reason why he still hasn't landed a primetime coaching job. But with a 73-27 career coaching record, if I was a bigger school I think I would take a chance on him.

8.Todd Graham: Another one of the great innovative coaches in college football. Again, this is somebody who if he ever gets in the bigtime coaching ranks, will cause a lot of opposing coaches to start pulling hairs. He's only been a head coach for only 4 years. But he's already accumulated a 28-13 record. And in his first two years has coached Tulsa all the way up to their conference title games two years running.. And sent his previous team Rice to it's first bowl in 45 years. Nuff said. By the time it's over, he could end up being the best of this lot.

9.Chris Peterson: When Hawkins left Boise State I thought they might start going downhill a little. But judging by what Hawkins has done at Colorado, and what Peterson has continued to do at Boise, i'm beginning to think that Peterson was the real wizard behind the curtain.

10.Mike Riley: No matter how you look at it, Riley is one of them most consistent coaches in the country. He's taken his Oregon St. team to a bowl game for the last 6 out of 7 years. And has won 5 of those games. And has won all 5 of those games as less than touchdown favorites. Do you realize how hard that is to do? His teams always get better as the season moves along. Which is probably the best indication of somebody who knows what he's doing. This team started out this season 0-2. And finished 9-4 with just 10 starters returning, including just 3 on defense. A remarkable coaching job any way you look at it.

Honorable mention:

Nick Saban
Paul Johnson
Houston Nutt
Joe Paterno
Jim Tressel
Mark Dantonio
Rich Rodriguez
Frank Beamer
Jim Grobe
Mike Bellotti
Mike Leach
Mark Mangino
Art Briles
Bobby Johnson
Dick Tomey


The Bad Ones:

Dave Wannstadt: Has probably single-handidly lost more weekend bettors money betting on Pitt than any other coach.

Ron Zook: Probably not as bad a Wannstadt. But has failed to impress me in any way as a head coach. With the good recruiting and personnel that he's had to work with at Florida and Illinois, he should have done much better.

Charlie Weis: This next year is probably the year that's going to make him or break him. But at 4 years at Notre Dame he's failed to impress me despite some great recruiting the last couple of years.

Bret Bielema: I get the feeling as the years go by and the farther the Badgers get from the coaching of Alvarez, the more this team is going to fall. This guy just doesn't impress me at all. From his interviews to his idiotic in-game playcalling.

Butch Jones: The farther that Central Michigan gets away from the coaching and recruiting of Brian Kelly the worst they're going to get. The playcalling in his bowl game against Florida Atlantic was borderline retarded. I'm not impressed at all with him.

Todd Dodge: I don't think this guy is going to make it. He comes straight from the highschool coaching ranks. And so far it's showed in his first two seasons going 2-10 last year and things didn't get any better this year going 1-11. He's taken the Mean out of Mean Green.

Although the verdict is still out on a few more coaches, I have to say that 2008 was a good year for cleaning house of bad coaches. Here's a list of the ones that we won't miss: Sylvester Croom, Greg Robinson, Phillip Fulmer, Ron Prince, Tommy Bowden, Joe Glenn, Tyrone Willingham and Chuck Long.
 

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I think after this season you will be adding Jim Harbaugh to that list. He's cagey, he's smart enough to get hired and run a program at a University like Stanford, he's been a giant killer (perhaps as a preview of coming attractions) and his pedigree is about as good as it gets. He Kind of reminds me of myself a little bit.
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I think after this season you will be adding Jim Harbaugh to that list. He's cagey, he's smart enough to get hired and run a program at a University like Stanford, he's been a giant killer (perhaps as a preview of coming attractions) and his pedigree is about as good as it gets. He Kind of reminds me of myself a little bit.
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Conan...I like Harbaugh and I think he's eventually going to work his way into the great coach column. I just need to see a couple more years of coaching under his belt. I also feel the same way about coaches like Bronco Mendenhall and Kyle Whittingham. I just need to see them a few more years in the head coaching ranks.
 

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GS, you gotta LOVE Lame Kitten. I know I do. I bet that U Tenn knows that they have crapped in their drawers and it is too late to dump it.:laugh::):) LT
 

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GS, you gotta LOVE Lame Kitten. I know I do. I bet that U Tenn knows that they have crapped in their drawers and it is too late to dump it.:laugh::):) LT
Coach...I really don't have an opinion either way of Kiffin. Kind of hard to form an opinion on somebody who did absolutely nothing as a one year head coach in the NFL.
 

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i have to admit that is a damn good list of coaches in terms of handicapping. my only huge disagreement is frank beamer on the honorable mention list, he likes to call off the dogs after halftime
 

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Add Bill Stewart (WVU) to the bad list. Watch that program nose dive now that Pat White is gone.

The Colorado game was the worst in game coaching I have ever seen.
 

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i have to admit that is a damn good list of coaches in terms of handicapping. my only huge disagreement is frank beamer on the honorable mention list, he likes to call off the dogs after halftime
You have to admit though that Beamer's teams are almost always fundamentally sound. They play good defense, special teams, and usually don't beat themselves. That's why they manage to find their way into the ACC title game more than any team in their conference. For the talent he has to work with, I think he does a good job. As for calling off the dogs at halftime, you'll never see me betting on Va Tech as big favorites. They just don't usually play the brand of football that is condusive to blowouts. However as a dog or a pickem they have historically been an excellent play. In the last 3 years alone VT is 8-3 ATS as a dog. And in almost every one of those games they also won straight up. You might want to file this little stat away. Beamer knows how to cover tight lines.
 

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Add Bill Stewart (WVU) to the bad list. Watch that program nose dive now that Pat White is gone.

The Colorado game was the worst in game coaching I have ever seen.
I agree...But his teams needs to actually start playing bad before I can add him to the list. With Pat White leaving it will be the equivalent of Texas losing Vince Young. Stewart's going to miss him badly. Come next season WV will be Stewart's team instead of Rod's team. That's when reality will set in.
 

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You can't beat Bobby Stoops in the regular season. He doesn't lay of the gas peddle and piles up the score. Also, I love Bobby Stoops in the non-conference games. ie: cinci wash and tcu. Look out for a nice beatdown and winner ATS of Byu, Tulsa, and da U. They don't stand a chance.

Sat, Sep 6 Cincinnati W 52-26 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Sep 13 at Washington W 55-14 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Sep 27 (24) TCU W 35-10 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Oct 4 at Baylor W 49-17 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Oct 11 (5) Texas L 35-45 -- Loser
Sat, Oct 18 (16) Kansas W 45-31 -- Loser ATS
Sat, Oct 25 at Kansas State W 58-35 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Nov 1 Nebraska W 62-28 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Nov 8 at Texas A&M W 66-28 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Nov 22 (2) Texas Tech W 65-21 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Nov 29 at (11) Oklahoma State W 61-41-- Winner ATS
Sat, Dec 6 (19) Missouri W 62-21 Winner ATS

10-2 ATS for 2008. You just can't beat that with a stick.
 

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I mean it's staggering to me at all the hate against Bob Stoops. Were bettors people who are trying to make $$$$. Personality, style, and overall demeanor mean nothing to me.


I mean a 10 and f*cking 2 record ATS. 83.3% success. Remember were in the business of making $$$, not arguing over who's good in the big game or who has the better schemes
 

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Bret Bielema = sooo bad. terrible. couldn't cover a spread to save his life.
 

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Great post. Hopefully Weis will work his way back into the good column.
 

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I would have to put Spurrier on my bad list. I don't have any faith in him.
He is no longer able to recruit the players that can execute his offensive style (which at its best is aggressive and greedy) which really tells me he has lost his zest for the game. He hates to lose and I think his sour puss face on the sidelines has discouraged potential players from going to SC.
He used to attract QB prospects and WR's and was not bashful about going for the big play at any time. I think he is being passed by and no longer attracts the kind of players it takes to get it done his way.

Bobby Bowden is in the same category as Spurrier. With all the players he has to recruit in Florida you would expect more than gets done. It is really hard for me to lay it on the teams he has had lately.

Whittingham will prove if he can coach this year because he is losing a lot.
They are slowly becoming a public team and I suspect they will have trouble living up to expectations early next season.

I agree with Bob Stoops against the spread LY but in the past he was not so dependable in the ATS department. I do think they will do pretty well against the spread next season again but mainly because their defense should improve especially in the bigger games.

Gundy at O-State is like a younger Spurrier and he will run it up given the opportunity. They pulled their first 8 lined games LY and I was on that train.
 

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GS, you gotta LOVE Lame Kitten. I know I do. I bet that U Tenn knows that they have crapped in their drawers and it is too late to dump it.:laugh::):) LT

His latest recruiting gaffe just seals it for me. Everyone and I mean EVERYONE understands that you cannot mention a recruits name publicly and here he mentions Bryce Brown on a radio show.

Either this guy is retarded or he has no clue how to operate within the NCAA's rules. Either way it spells TROUBLE for Tennessee.


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You can't beat Bobby Stoops in the regular season. He doesn't lay of the gas peddle and piles up the score. Also, I love Bobby Stoops in the non-conference games. ie: cinci wash and tcu. Look out for a nice beatdown and winner ATS of Byu, Tulsa, and da U. They don't stand a chance.

Sat, Sep 6 Cincinnati W 52-26 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Sep 13 at Washington W 55-14 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Sep 27 (24) TCU W 35-10 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Oct 4 at Baylor W 49-17 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Oct 11 (5) Texas L 35-45 -- Loser
Sat, Oct 18 (16) Kansas W 45-31 -- Loser ATS
Sat, Oct 25 at Kansas State W 58-35 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Nov 1 Nebraska W 62-28 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Nov 8 at Texas A&M W 66-28 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Nov 22 (2) Texas Tech W 65-21 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Nov 29 at (11) Oklahoma State W 61-41-- Winner ATS
Sat, Dec 6 (19) Missouri W 62-21 Winner ATS

10-2 ATS for 2008. You just can't beat that with a stick.

I'll agree, Stoops did a good job last year running up the score! You conveniently forgot one more game from last season.....
 

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Pete Carroll ATS

Sat, Aug 30 at Virginia W 52-7 Winner ATS
Sat, Sep 13 (5) Ohio State W 35-3 Winner ATS
Thu, Sep 25 at Oregon State L 21-27 Outright Loss
Sat, Oct 4 (23) Oregon W 44-10 Winner ATS
Sat, Oct 11 Arizona State W 28-0 ??? I think the line was 28.5 or something.
Sat, Oct 18 at Washington State W 69-0 Winner ATS
Sat, Oct 25 at Arizona W 17-10 -- Loser ATS
Sat, Nov 1 Washington W 56-0 -- Winner ATS
Sat, Nov 8 (21) California W 17-3 --Pretty sure Loser ATS
Sat, Nov 15 at Stanford W 45-23 -- Loser ATS. everyone remembers this game
Sat, Nov 29 Notre Dame W 38-3 --Winner ATS
Sat, Dec 6 at UCLA W 28-7 -- Loser ATS
Penn State- Rose Bowl Winner ATS


Overall, give or take a game, tommy trojan and peteee carroll went 7-5 against the spread. Not stellar. 58%... If you pick tommy trojan in the right spots like i did: ie- penn state, notre dame, virginia, ohio state, and the poor washington teams. then your fine. with usc, it's rather simple to me, take them all day long against non-conferecne foes, and tread very very carefully in conference.
 

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Sat, Aug 30 Florida Atlantic W 52-10 Winner ATS
Sat, Sep 6 at UTEP W 42-13 Winner ATS
Sat, Sep 20 Rice W 52-10 Winner ATS
Sat, Sep 27 Arkansas W 52-10 Winner ATS
Sat, Oct 4 at Colorado W 38-14 Winner ATS
Sat, Oct 11 at (1) Oklahoma W 45-35 Winner ATS
Sat, Oct 18 (11) Missouri W 56-31 Winner ATS
Sat, Oct 25 (7) Oklahoma StateW 28-24 Loser ATS
Sat, Nov 1 at (6) Texas Tech L 33-39 Outright Loser
Sat, Nov 8 Baylor W 45-21 Loser ATS
Sat, Nov 15 at Kansas W 35-7 Winner ATS
Thu, Nov 27 Texas A&M W 49-9 Winner ATS


Mack Brown and Texas went 9-3 ATS in the regular season last year. I think Mack Brown should be added to the "coaches i like" list. I mean they went 7 consecutive weeks winning ATS. I know that GS had Texas against OU in the red river shootout and rightly so. Texas went up against what we now know was a pretty damn good OSU team and the debacle against Tech goes without saying. But i like riding Mack Brown against weak non-conference foes who don't know how to handle a premiere spread and better athletes. And against the weaker fish of the big 12.
 

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stop touting all the big 12 coaches. we get that the conference is shit and if head coaches wanna pad stats and run up the score, it's do able.

texas should have lost to ohio state and oklahoma lost to florida. they can cover the spread but they can't resoundingly beat the big boys like some teams can
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