Have You Ever Met John Patrick The "So You Wanna Be A Gambler" Guy ?

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Years ago John used to post on UseNet in a few gambling newsgroups. He would give out his real phone number if you had a question for him. A really nice guy!

I had the pleasure to met him inside the old Claridge Casino Hotel in AC back in 1986 or so. The Claridge had to have had the WORSE color scheme of any casino I've ever been in...
 

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FF,would have loved to have met the guy.The Claridge was kind of a dump but the always had the best odds in AC.
 

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I think (never knew him personally enough) John was best in Sports handicapping.
 

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He was all about money management, i believe.. ive read his book a few times.. regression, and up & pull..
 

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SSI, That's about it...

He stayed away from the passline. He would 'place' 6 & 8
 

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believe, he also had a thing for Dolly Parton..
 

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>he also had a thing for Dolly Parton

Well who in his age group didn't?
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What a DORK! He's a "faux math" huckster turned snake oil salesman! Complete GARBAGE he sells!
 

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An opinion on John Patrick is the equivalent of a test for squareness.

If you think his books are good and contain great info you are probably a square.

If you understand that his books contain huge mathmatical errors and are full of voodoo concepts then you are probably a sharp.
 

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I met him once and he told it to me straight. He said the books weren't intended for us, guys that knew the math. They were intended for the stupid fools that were throwing their money away left and right. They were the ones buying his books and coming to his shows. When you think about it, it makes great sense. You can write a great book with perfect math, but you are likely only going to draw people like us. Or you can write a book aimed at the masses, people that would never read a real quality gambling book and sell like 20 times more books. He said that was his intent, nothing more or less. He admitted the whole thing was mostly a ruse, he claims to be a professional bettor because he is, but he makes his money off of sports, not casino games. He is careful to say I am a professional gambler, but never quite stating he isn't making his money from table games outside of card counting occasionally. It was all an idea of a book publisher that wanted a guy who could claim he is a pro and in turn he ran with the idea in the hopes of getting the squares to limit their losses. If you read the book you see that most of what he pounds on is loss limits and win goals, something that might be voodoo math, but compare that to the way most people play in a casino and you will say it would be a huge step up for those people. And he points out he is in a no-lose spot, these fools if they follow his advice are bound to do better and the every now and then "success" is good PR for him.

Never forget books, while potentially educational, are in essence entertainment. If you don't target the right audience and you don't talk to them at their level, you will always be a niche author, a la Skalansky and Malmuth.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lurkerforages:
An opinion on John Patrick is the equivalent of a test for squareness.

If you think his books are good and contain great info you are probably a square.

If you understand that his books contain huge mathmatical errors and are full of voodoo concepts then you are probably a sharp.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What about the rest of us who know that any guy righting such books is totally-unable to win from betting?
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Wild Bill sums it up best. Personally I have always thought this guy was an idiot. On the payroll of a casino while selling books and tapes on how to win. His advice sometimes is STUNNING and he is nothing more then a carny man.
 

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VG789, if you know he can`t win and the reasons WHY he can`t win then you are on the right road to becoming a winning player.
Th winning player doesn`t always know when his edge will show up but given enough time and oppotunity it does.
 

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I loved the guys show.No great revelations but he always cracked me up.He gave decent rudimentary info on craps.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lurkerforages:
VG789, if you know he can`t win and the reasons WHY he can`t win then you are on the right road to becoming a winning player.
Th winning player doesn`t always know when his edge will show up but given enough time and oppotunity it does.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know he can't win,as for the reasons,I think its easy to guess why someone can't win,mostly because the best he can do is to check some stats;IMO the hard thing is to find why someone wins
 

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