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HARVARD PROF: TEA PARTY NOT GOING ANYWHERE, MORE LIKELY TO WIN

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by TONY LEE 29 Dec 2013 2801POST A COMMENT
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A government and sociology professor at Harvard writes that the Tea Party is more likely than not to "win in the end" in an age when Americans are becoming more removed from Washington and distrusting the federal government and their elected officials.


"Tea Party forces will still win in the end," Theda Skocpol writes, unless moderate Republicans can defeat them. Skocpol concedes that the Tea Party "will triumph just by hanging on long enough" as Americans are getting fed up by "our blatantly manipulated democracy and our permanently hobbled government."

The article, "Why The Tea Party Isn't Going Anywhere," was first published in the journalDemocracy, and later reprinted in The Atlantic.

Despite the fact that Democrats, the mainstream media, and the Republican establishment again were predicting the "demise of the Tea Party" immediately after the government shutdown ended, Skocpol doesn't believe so.

"But we have heard all this before," she writes. "The Tea Party’s hold on the GOP persists beyond each burial ceremony."

Skocpol and Vanessa Williamson published a book in 2011 that "showed how bottom-up and top-down forces intersect to give the Tea Party both leverage over the Republican Party and the clout to push national politics sharply to the right."

"At the grassroots, volunteer activists formed hundreds of local Tea Parties, meeting regularly to plot public protests against the Obama Administration and place steady pressure on GOP organizations and candidates at all levels," they found. "At least half of all GOP voters sympathize with this Tea Party upsurge."

Though Skokpol and Williamson have their typical biases and describe the Tea Party movement as a "radical" one that may not like minorities--without any evidence of that assertion--they acknowledge that "even though there is no one center of Tea Party authority—indeed, in some ways because there is no one organized center—the entire gaggle of grassroots" and outside groups that support the movement "wields money and primary votes to exert powerful pressure on Republican officeholders and candidates."

Skocpol observes that the "Tea Party clout has grown in Washington and state capitals" because "Americans are also losing ever more faith in the federal government." In addition, "most legislators and candidates are Nervous Nellies," and they have seen the Tea Party defeat establishment Republicans like Charlie Crist in Florida in 2010 and David Dewhurst in Texas in 2012 in addition to knocking off incumbent Republican Sens. Bob Bennett (R-UT) and Richard Lugar (R-IN).

"That grabs legislators’ attention and results in either enthusiastic support for, or acquiescence to, obstructive tactics," Skocpol writes.

She writes how powerfully someone like Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) resonates with the Tea Party. She noted that he was able to direct House Republicans to pressure House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) to demand that President Barack Obama and Democrats fund the government except for Obamacare.


Skocpol notes that it will not be easy to defeat the Tea Party.

"For one, at least three successive national election defeats will be necessary to even begin to break the determination and leverage of Tea Party adherents," Skocpol writes. She concedes that Tea Partiers will not "stand down easily or very soon."

Skocpol notes "moderate Republicans" do not have as much power in Washington or in state capitals and points to Cruz as being "very well positioned to garner unified Tea Party support in the 2016 GOP presidential primaries." The Chamber of Commerce will reportedly spend $50 million to wage war against the Tea Party, along with Karl Rove's American Crossroads; Skocpol believes unless those groups defeat the Tea Party, it may well win many permanent victories.

"During the last election cycle, no far-right candidate ever consolidated sustained grassroots Tea Party support, as those voters hopped from Rick Perry to Herman Cain to Newt Gingrich to Rick Santorum," Skocpol writes. "But this time, Cruz may very well enjoy unified and enthusiastic grassroots Tea Party support from the beginning of the primary election season."

Skocpol also sends a warning to Democrats who think that the Tea Party will fade because of a few bad polls.

"Once the October 2013 shutdown ended in supposed total victory for President Obama and his party, many Democrats adopted a cocky swagger and started talking about ousting the House GOP in 2014," Skocpol writes. However, she warns that "a clear-eyed look shows that Tea Party remains powerful and has achieved victories that continue to stymie" Democrats and their statist agenda.
 

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Lol, this is great news for Democrats. Always Wrong Canadian Joe says the Tea Party will win. Guaranteed loss.
 

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She is trying to say they will survive. I totally agree. Thrive is a different thing.

They will absolutely continue to win "some" races in certain districts. But you will NEVER see one of those clowns like Ted Cruz or Mike Lee win a presidential election. They wouldn't even come close. I can't even see them winning a nomination, forget the gen election. And THAT is what numerous republicans are beginning to wake up and realize.

They desperately want to win the white house again. After the beating Romney just took, DESPITE how terrible the economy was, they see that they have to keep the crazy tea party uncle in the closet or there is no freaking way they will win. Romney was really a center right candidate that was pulled too far right, and he didn't even come close to winning. WTF makes ANYONE believe that some far rightie like Cruz (or worse) could even come close to getting enough votes to win? Not even fucking close... Hilarious...

I understand that you would really love to see the tea party win, Sheriff. I even admire your passion. Disagree on probably 90% of stuff but nevertheless still admire your persistence...But they will never even come close on the national level. You can scream as loud as you like. It's just reality that the clear majority of the country doesn't even come close to thinking or acting like so many of the far right tea party who are predominately white men. The days of white people being able to just trash minority candidates are over. Oh not in certain districts. Of course not. But on a national level, the party is over for the good ole boy network.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the tea party as we know it today, branch off into it's own party, but then agree to work/caucus with repubs in the hope that tea party can gain enough house and senate seats, while the moderate repub can win the presidency. That would make too much sense for them though. I doubt the egos of all the people involved could deal with that...interesting thought though....
 

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I like Rand Paul's chances. He's got Tea Party support yet he's not as polarizing as most of the tea party. Plus he's got the libertarian thing going for him too, which will make a difference in the the general election. Libertarians only being 5% of the vote might not seem like much, but 5% could be a huge swing in a general election.
 

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WVJOE, liberal Republicans (Dole, McCain, Romney etc.) don't win national elections.

Just curious, are Ted Cruz, Dr. Ben Carson, Allen West, Bobby Jindal, Sarah Palin etc. part of the white good ole boy network?
 

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WVJOE, liberal Republicans (Dole, McCain, Romney etc.) don't win national elections.

Just curious, are Ted Cruz, Dr. Ben Carson, Allen West, Bobby Jindal, Sarah Palin etc. part of the white good ole boy network?

Sheriff,
You are hilarious....There is no such thing as a liberal republican or a conservative democrat either. There's definitely moderates on both sides if that's what you're referring to though, and yeah, more than one of them has won election in both parties...

For the record...Right wing nutjobs don't win presidential elections either...Tom Tancredo, Mike Huckabee, Pat Buchanan, Alan Keyes, etc..neither do left wing whackos either.

You'll have to ask all those people if they're part of the network...Most certainly believe in many of the same crazy theories..Except for Bobby Jindal...I don't think he's as far as the rest, they all qualify as pretty far right wing...some more than others of course.
 

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Sheriff,
You are hilarious....There is no such thing as a liberal republican or a conservative democrat either. There's definitely moderates on both sides if that's what you're referring to though, and yeah, more than one of them has won election in both parties...

For the record...Right wing nutjobs don't win presidential elections either...Tom Tancredo, Mike Huckabee, Pat Buchanan, Alan Keyes, etc..neither do left wing whackos either.

You'll have to ask all those people if they're part of the network...Most certainly believe in many of the same crazy theories..Except for Bobby Jindal...I don't think he's as far as the rest, they all qualify as pretty far right wing...some more than others of course.

No left wing whackos for "centrist" WVJOE...no sirree.

And exactly who is further left than Obama?

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http://www.ontheissues.org/barack_obama.htm

I think Republicans are entitled to have a candidate as far right as Obama is left, don't you?

Here's something I bet you didn't know...even fewer conservatives/libertarians showed up for Romney than for McCain.

The GOP keeps nominating liberal Republicans and wonder why they keep losing.
 

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Just at a glance, Ted Cruz would be the equivalent "right wing Obama"...though the others I mentioned are comparable.

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http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Ted_Cruz.htm

Oh what I wouldn't give to see Ted Cruz debate the Stuttering Clusterfuck.

I guess maybe we'll have to settle for Elizabeth Warren, the next darling 'progressive' poised to deny Queen Hillary her crown.
 

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I like Rand Paul's chances. He's got Tea Party support yet he's not as polarizing as most of the tea party. Plus he's got the libertarian thing going for him too, which will make a difference in the the general election. Libertarians only being 5% of the vote might not seem like much, but 5% could be a huge swing in a general election.
Come 2016, if the Republican nominee is not Rand Paul or Ted Cruz I will not vote.
 

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