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JC was a trader on the pacific exchange. He was also part of large betting operation. When the Exchange found out he and his partner decided to take it offshore.

Poncho- You are incorrect in calling the covered calls a bad strategy. Although the gains were not as great as those who bought stocks naked, the juice (premium, vig) levels were very high and writing the covered calls produced annual returns of approx. 10%, with far less risk.

The example quoted by the general is a poor one, both the stock and football. Both are dealing with very extreme instances, and only a fool buys far out of money puts with 3 month expiration at a point and a half.

The thought that part time players can beat the full time options writers at their own game is the ego driving force which gives them the houses in the Hamptons, and the players hanging around a gambling board looking for their next fix.

You cannot overcome the juice, write covered options or nothing. But if you must here is one little trick, don't buy/sell options in high volitility stocks, the juice will kill you, and the volitility will settle down before you can score. Buy/sell in low volitility stocks where caltylists may occur, earnings reports, economic news, sector movement, etc.. The juice will be low, and volitility will rise.
 

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Many studies have been done on covered call writing vs straight stock ownership, straight stock ownership performs about the same or slightly better in most of the studies.

Most people don't have the disciplne to stick with a long term covered call writing strategy and consequently end up having negative returns.

Typically what happens is a stock they wrote calls against starts to take off, they don't want to get called away and miss the big gain so they end up chasing the calls, which makes them in effect naked call writers.

You mostly get stuck holding your losers while your big winners get called away.
 

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I worked in the commodities markets in Chicago.I was never a trader but I was a clerk for a broker and a couple locals.I have seen tons of money made and lost.Really though what gets me is some of these traders are not the brightest but yet they are making some big bucks.You guys talked about tame,sports betting is nothing compared to those markets.I have seen and no bs a guy drop of a heart attack in a fast market and nobody did shit.They kept trading and had a clerk call help.I have seen guys duke it out.Those are very intense markets.Like ssi said make or lose a lot in seconds.However maybe I'm wrong but if you donate the time to looking and trying to understand these markets as you do capping games you can come out with a shitload.
 

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vvv, ive traded the markets over 14yrs now, ive short, long, and daytraded stocks,, still hold some long term posistions,,, coming back nicely the last few weeks, i might add... Ive traded commodities for just as long, i trade mostly the grains, meats and the sp (or emini), if you will.. Im not talking to you as you seem to know whats going on.. Im saying this is an untapped market for most on this forum (and maybe thats a good thing),, sports wagering has nothing on trading the SP market..If you use stops then losses are limited, and yes i know about gap openings and running stop orders, i trade in liquid markets,, the grains are very liquid, just cant hold too big a posistion when a report is coming out.. Options can be bought, sold or used simply for insurance against futures posistions.. over the years, ive done them all.... My ass handed to me, yes its happened, ive also made over 10k in a day before as well.... ever been short a SP contract when the market drops 50pts (when the dow loses 500).. what a freaking rush, -- like i said its a good thing people here,,, General included, dont know anything about this very LEGALIZED form of gambling that goes on everyday.... by the way, i wrote a newsletter for a couple years, had about 60 subscribers, not a lot but at $50 per month for something i did daily, sure came in as extra.
 

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Thanks for the info guys. Very good information.

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