Hack-A-Shaq... WTF!? Discuss

[MrCleo]

intentional fouls should be treated as clear path fouls. i know its exploiting a team's weakness, but it allows a team to get by without playing ANY defense. this has me thinking, shouldn't the Suns be doing this to bruce bowen?

 

[Cap'nCrunch]

50% of the time they get 1 point per possesion. 25% of the time they get 0 per possession.

Assuming a FT = half a possession.

Lol.

 

[lapdance]

I already said I'm biased as a suns fan retard. but I dont think I'm crying about this. I'm trying to understand how such a blatantly unfair rule is still in the game and how other teams can justify it.

BTW, The hack a shaq is not the same as the Intentional walk. Managers have the option of pinch hitting for that pitcher if they want. There is no alternative to having shaq shoot those shots.

every team can use the rule. it's not only against shaq. it's not unfair, it's a rule. geez, wonder how shaq has won 4 rings with this unfair rule? maybe your team is just soft and not good enough.

why would a manager pinch hit in the 4th inning of a scoreless game?

 

[Bluemyboy]

wouldnt they get 2 pts 25% of the time as well?

 

[Cap'nCrunch]

yes Blue.

25% of the time, he makes both ft's which = 1 FG made.

25% of the time he misses both ft's = 0 FG made.

50% of the time he makes 1 of 2 ft = .5 fg per possesion or 1 FG per 2 possessions

 

[Cap'nCrunch]

every team can use the rule. it's not only against shaq. it's not unfair, it's a rule. geez, wonder how shaq has won 4 rings with this unfair rule? maybe your team is just soft and not good enough.

why would a manager pinch hit in the 4th inning of a scoreless game?

A manager would not ph in the 4th inning of a scoreless game b/c it's not advantageous to do so. Just like Pop would not start Hack a Shaq in the middle of the 2nd qtr (foul trouble too early, alot of game left, etc).

The difference with the Intentional walk, is when the game is on the line in the late innings, managers WILL pinch hit for the "weaker" hitter.

In the late stages of the game tho, Shaq and only shaq can shoot those FT's even though he never has possession of the ball.

Key thing to consider... how is this type of foul different from an Intentional foul?

 

[RobFunk]

The closing seconds of regulation or the 1st overtime in game 1. The commentator said something like you should get it down to Shaq because you know he will get fouled and he only needs 1 FT to win the game.

Anyone remember this?

 

[Cap'nCrunch]

Was this the same play where Amare passed up an open jumper or a pass to shaq, and instead fouled out on a charge with 10 secs left, up 3?

That play burned me up.

 

[shdw01]

The closing seconds of regulation or the 1st overtime in game 1. The commentator said something like you should get it down to Shaq because you know he will get fouled and he only needs 1 FT to win the game.

Anyone remember this?

yes, i remember that.

on a side note...i think if you get 1 pt every possession (on the average), you will score a lot of points. (I imagine turnovers go way down as well if you are getting bailed out of having to run the offense)

 

[MrCleo]

that's no good when you're unable to use amare's capabilities though, and on the road

 

[patrick7033]

If the suns scored 1 point per possession they would average 99 points a game. They would probably get even more possessions if they kept getting fouled too since they would be so short. Why is scoring 1 point a possession a problem? I'd take 99+ every game.

 

[MrCleo]

would 99 points have won last night?

 

[patrick7033]

It might have if the suns played some better d.

The point is, scoring one point a possession isnt as bad like this idiot whining about last night would like you to believe.

 

[dominicdg]

Are u guys serious. How come the only one that makes sense is lapdance. The rule is not just for shaq its for everybody. Why not just foul bruce bowen on your end (or play better defense). Also the fact that you complain about a rule thats been around forever. The rule is fair. When Shaq was winning championships and bulldozing over people there was no rules for that. Cmon guys are you really serious. He is getting to free uncontested shots. They call them free throws for a reason.

Shaq makes millions of dollars. Tell him instead of being a cop, instead of making retarded movies and instead of rapping.
He should have practice his free throws.

D'Antoni is horrible. Its time to fire him or start blowing this team up. Barbosa, Bell, and Hill for the most of the time are no factors.

 

[lapdance]

A manager would not ph in the 4th inning of a scoreless game b/c it's not advantageous to do so. Just like Pop would not start Hack a Shaq in the middle of the 2nd qtr (foul trouble too early, alot of game left, etc).

The difference with the Intentional walk, is when the game is on the line in the late innings, managers WILL pinch hit for the "weaker" hitter.

In the late stages of the game tho, Shaq and only shaq can shoot those FT's even though he never has possession of the ball.

Key thing to consider... how is this type of foul different from an Intentional foul?

was the hack a shaq in the 3rd q or 4th q yesterday? 3rd q right? so thats = the 5th or 6th inning of a baseball game. so a manager walks the 8th hitter to get to the pitcher why? to gain an advantage for his team. same as why they foul shaq, to gain an advantage to your team.

 

[Bluemyboy]

.25 he makes both= .5 point

.25 he maks none= 0 points

.5 he makes 1= .5 point

so expected value of his FT shooting should be 1 pt every time he gets fouled. if they do this 2x then then shaq should make a fg every 2 trips or 50% from the field on avg with no turnovers.

And again why should poor foul shooters be bailed out? Is this game not about putting the ball through the net, in essence if you cant shoot you have a glaring weakness in this sport.

 

[billhill999]

The T.V. guys addressed it last night saying the rules committee needs to look into this rule.

Can't blame the opposition for such a decision as winning isn't everything it is the only thing

I agree with the poster who used the intentional walk analogy.

And BadCo is right, show be a good loser, and I'll show you a loser.

 

[lapdance]

People Only Complain When They Lose. Just Make The Free Throws It Teams Wouldn't Do It.

 

[JakeT.]

Take Shaq out if you don't want him to get fouled.

 

[vince562]

I dont understand why this is such a big deal now. But back when Shaq was with the Lakers it was acceptable.