Guess who's starting to give up the fight...

[JDeuce]

This war, like any other, is a battle of wills. We know the resolve level is weak among folks like doc mercer and Marco, but this article is good news for the rest of us who won't want to allow the insurgents to dicatate our policies...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101041129-785360,00.html
Pretty good story about the Taliban and Pakistan. Here's the really interesting nugget near the end of the article:


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....In addition, last month's Afghan presidential election seems to have sapped Taliban strength. Despite the extremists' attempts to sabotage voting, Karzai was the overwhelming victor among Pashtuns, the ethnic group of most Taliban. A Taliban spokesman concedes that the U.S.-led security forces around polling sites made it impossible for militants to carry out their threats.

Lately there have been signs that many Taliban and their supporters may be losing their zeal for war. From his Kabul jail cell, Mujahed says he has had enough fighting. "Let others do the jihad," he says. "Me, I'm exhausted." If Pakistan really started to do all it could to crack down on the Taliban, it might find that fatigue among those battle-weary warriors would finish off the job.
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Looks like they CAN be worn down. They CAN be beaten. And if it is possible for it to happen to people with as warlike a tradition as the Afghanis, it can happen in Iraq. Those who say that the fanatics trained by Al Qaeda in those terrorist camps will fight to the bitter end, and will never get tired...well, think again.

Persistence, persistence, persistence. That's how you beat down an insurgency. The virtue of Bush as a leader is that he is implacable, which is exactly what you want in this type of war.

 

[GAMEFACE]

No doubt they can be defeated if the PC shakles are shed completely. What an amazing job so far even with the PC shakles. The job in Fallujah was second to none in history. Taking a town that size with less that 60 soldiers KIA and very few civilian casualities. What a fantastic job.

 

[eek.]

You've missed the essential difference between Afghanistan and Iraq.

The US has left the Tribal dudes in charge (the basic social structure) in Afghanistan. Heroin production is booming. Karzai only runs the Kabul area, with US support and round the clock US protection.
Basically, Islam remains the dominant force in Afghanistan.
Karzai leaves THEM alone, so they leave HIM alone.
Afghanistan:There are about 15,000 US soldiers for 25 million people.

The basic infrastructure (The Baathists-Saddamists) in Iraq has been obliterated. The replacement backup is Islam, definitely not what the US wants in a country with huge oil reserves.
So you are stuck with social chaos.
The US is afraid to let an Islamic system emerge in Iraq, so its whack-a-mole season.
Iraq:There are about 150,000 US soldiers for 25 million people.

Freedom shmeedom

 

[Marco]

One guy sits in his jail cell and claims he needs a little sleep and the Bushie backers inflate it to the point where the whole dam is collapsing.....

One in how many thousand? How many of our guys are tired and ready to go back home and grill a steak instead of grilling themselves in the 100+ degree heat? Fatigue works both ways, but then again maybe we got a tanker truck full of Gatorade on our side.

My resolve is about as weak as Dubya's weak promise of "oil revenues will pay for the rebuilding"......then he goes and raises the limit of the national credit card another 800 billion. But then again, he's only a politician.....was I suppose to think that Bush was any less corrupt and worthless as the string of ones before he came along?

 

[JDeuce]

When we invaded Afghanistan, we were told the Arab street was going to explode. It didn't.

When we invaded Iraq, we were told the Arab street was going to explode. It didn't.

When we started going after mosques, we were told the Arab street was going to explode. And it didn't.

It is amazing what a display of military force coupled with determination can accomplish. That area of the world has been conquered by lots of people, many of whom showed no restraint at all even when it came to mosques. Saddam oppressed the supposedly all-powerful clerics, and they couldn't do **** about it. I understand why we were so sensitive early on...we were trying to be nice. Being nice didn't work, so now its time to be less nice.

Anyways, the point of the article I posted is that they are starting to lose AGAIN. They lost for a bit against the Russians, then started winning. Then the Taliban seized power, and it won.

But now, they've been on the losing side for nearly three years, and on the run. Some dead-enders will keep fighting, but others will just give up. Defeat does that to you. A guy saying "let others jihad" isn't just in need of a weekend away...he's flat out giving up the fight. And he's NOT the only one...

That's why its so important to keep the heat on in Iraq. Take Fallujah. Head up to Mosul, and crack down there. Back down south of Baghdad, and crack down there. Don't stop.

The goal is to generate a mentality of "no matter where we go, the Americans keep fighting us. And people aren't as happy to see us now, because whenever we come, the Americans and destruction come soon after. I didn't believe it would be like this..."

That's how insurgencies go down the tube; when people stop believing that it might succeed.

 

[docmercer--banned]

JDeuce:

I can gather from your idiotic statement up front that Coulter is your ideal woman ...

Let me educate ya ... this war is fighting the wrong country ... invading Iraq and getting rid of Hussein has ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING .... except cost this country over 1200 kids and cost this country over 300 billion dollars

Ya want to win this war .. wake up! The real enemy is Saudi Arabia and the form of Wahhabism that is located and spread from Saudi Arabia

Winning the war in Iraq has accomplished ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ... this war we are fighting is based on Religion and dont give me a ******* statement about weak resolve ...

What is weak is the average American - like yourself - is totally clueless to who the real enemy of this war is ... it was not Iraq and Bush targeted the wrong country and wrong foe

Again, wake up as this military excursion in Iraq was a waste of time / money / lives on behalf of this country ...

 

[GAMEFACE]

When we invaded Afghanistan, we were told the Arab street was going to explode. It didn't.

When we invaded Iraq, we were told the Arab street was going to explode. It didn't.

When we started going after mosques, we were told the Arab street was going to explode. And it didn't.

It is amazing what a display of military force coupled with determination can accomplish. That area of the world has been conquered by lots of people, many of whom showed no restraint at all even when it came to mosques. Saddam oppressed the supposedly all-powerful clerics, and they couldn't do **** about it. I understand why we were so sensitive early on...we were trying to be nice. Being nice didn't work, so now its time to be less nice.

Anyways, the point of the article I posted is that they are starting to lose AGAIN. They lost for a bit against the Russians, then started winning. Then the Taliban seized power, and it won.

But now, they've been on the losing side for nearly three years, and on the run. Some dead-enders will keep fighting, but others will just give up. Defeat does that to you. A guy saying "let others jihad" isn't just in need of a weekend away...he's flat out giving up the fight. And he's NOT the only one...

That's why its so important to keep the heat on in Iraq. Take Fallujah. Head up to Mosul, and crack down there. Back down south of Baghdad, and crack down there. Don't stop.

The goal is to generate a mentality of "no matter where we go, the Americans keep fighting us. And people aren't as happy to see us now, because whenever we come, the Americans and destruction come soon after. I didn't believe it would be like this..."

That's how insurgencies go down the tube; when people stop believing that it might succeed.

Nice job, Rack him!

 

[lander]

I thought JDunce was going to enlist and protect America from countries that simply were not a threat to us?

There must be a few hundred thousand or so civilians left that cowards like JDunce could still knock off.

 

[JDeuce]

Does anyone have a "lander to English" dictionary handy so I can try to figure out what in the eff he's talking about...?

My guess is it has something to do with the liberal solution very consistent with the war 'solution' many of history's most notorious pussies had; hide your head in the sand until it tickles your ears, and just hope the problem goes away.

Whats the problem, land? Does the American military doing some necessary dirty work scare you...? Or do you just hate the military because your sexual preference disqualified you from joining before they instituted the "don't ask, don't tell" policy...?

Much to your dismay, we're winning the war. Get over it.

 

[bblight]

Deuce - Lander is French, so please forgive him his inadequacies.

 

[lander]

>>Does anyone have a "lander to English" dictionary handy so I can try to figure out what in the eff he's talking about...?
If you can't understand the reality we attacked the wrong country while Bin Laden is out plotting 9/11 v2.0 then I suspect your needs span farther than some imaginary dictionary can help you with.

>>My guess is it has something to do with the liberal solution very consistent with the war 'solution' many of history's most notorious pussies had; hide your head in the sand until it tickles your ears, and just hope the problem goes away.
Your guess is as accurate as your posts -- complete fabrication. I supported the invasion of Afghanstan because (he's a fuking noble concept) it was in the interest of PROTECTING America, but of course your single-focused little speck of a brain can't process that into the "lander-must-be-a-liberal" bs theory that you will yourself to believe

>>Whats the problem, land?
The problem is clear as the RX is full of degenerate sh*tholes like you -- 51% of America's voters are retarded gun-waiving, slave-desiring retards like you and it's destroying the future of America. May God have mercy on the notion of intelligence and spare the world from your inferior DNA hand-me-downs. Meanwhile, the rest of us with children actually do give a sh*t about this planet.

>>Does the American military doing some necessary dirty work scare you...? Or do you just hate the military because your sexual preference disqualified you from joining before they instituted the "don't ask, don't tell" policy...?
Yet, your the "pro-war, pro-military" guy -- wouldn't that make you more likely to fit the idiotic profile of "the military because your sexual preference disqualified you from joining before they instituted the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy"? Dig *******, dig.

>>Much to your dismay, we're winning the war. Get over it.
Clearly - http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

 

[JDeuce]

Lander? A Frenchie? Bwahaha....that explains a lot actually. The French are the worst, but whenever I get into a war discussion with a euro, I have to ask: are you from the part of Europe who's ass we saved, or who's ass we kicked? Lander and the rest of the Frenchies certainly fall into the former category.

If you can't understand the reality we attacked the wrong country while Bin Laden is out plotting 9/11 v2.0 then I suspect your needs span farther than some imaginary dictionary can help you with.

And if you can't understand that the war in Iraq was partly to take down a terrorist dictator, partly to draw other terrorists out into the open, and partly to establish a democracy in the middle east...then you're just as retarded and brain-impaired as the rest of your fellow Frenchies.

Alzough ah do undairstand why you are confused. Ven ze French have le' problem wiss a war, your govairment just...eh, 'ow you say it, calls ze Americans to beg "Sacre Bleu...please, monsieur...come 'elp save us again."

The motto of a country should never be "we surrender." You have delusions of grandeur, but the reality is nobody gives a **** about French opinion or analysis on war. What the hell do you know how to do besides call the USA for help? It's like asking Richard Simmons his opinion on how to dress ruggedly.

The problem is clear as the RX is full of degenerate sh*tholes like you -- 51% of America's voters are retarded gun-waiving, slave-desiring retards like you and it's destroying the future of America.

While 98% of your country is full of mewling, elitist, nebbishy pussies who's army would turn around and flee if they saw two men coming to invade their pathetic country on a moped. It must be nice to sit in an internet cafe (or in front of your parents basement computer) in Paris and pontificate about what mean bullies the USA are...having the full knowledge we would be the first ones you'd call to help protect your sorry asses the next time you get into a jam.

May God have mercy on the notion of intelligence and spare the world from your inferior DNA hand-me-downs.

While God will hopefully spare the rest of the world from the likes of you soon...so why don't you do us all a favor and suck a glock with the same intensity you suck a c*ck? Trust me...you wouldn't be missed.

Yet, your the "pro-war, pro-military" guy
First...learn proper English grammar, moron. Secondly, put me in the pro-American category...as in if you **** with us, you'll feel our wrath.

Clearly - http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

Grand. And exactly what kinds of terrorist acts has Bin Laden's idiot brigade been able to carry out in the USA since our ass kicking president made hunting him down his #1 priority?

 

[bblight]

Deuce - you be da man!

 

[lander]

Actually Blight,
The vast majority of JDunce's ramblings were based on a lie as blatant as the WMD that he was basing his justifications for war on (when the "existed", before they "didn't exist" .. flip flopping ****** phoney). That lie, my friend, is that "Lander is a Frenchie." In fact, not only am I a natural born US citizen, I also have 0% of French heritage, so you little hissy fit is all for nothing.