Gruden.....take the 15 and have someone cheapshot Vick

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Dsethi said:
oh yea, cause holding injures players for entire games. i forgot

what about the roy williams horsecollar???? ended the seasons of musa smith, tyrone calico, and TO in one year. is that a clean tackle or dirty? is that cheap?
 

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Hines i will continue this debate no longer, if you are comfortable with your position and can justify your statement so be it, i hold no grudges as i think you position will change in due time. gl with your plays today friend.
 

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i hold no grudges with anyone and bol to you as well.....just tired of the double standards.
 

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yeah, cause parcells told williams to horsecollar those players and injure them right?

willing to bet wiliams didn't mean to injure them.
 

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but williams blew out two guys ACL's in college with that move and hurt smith and calico as well before hr hurt TO......if he really didn't want to injure them then why continue to do that very dangerous tackle?
 

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but he KNOWS that tackle has a high injury risk....it's already hurt 4 people and in that position you can dive for the legs or hit them in the back rather than do that. its a cheap-ass move but its condoned.
 

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HinesWard86 said:
but williams blew out two guys ACL's in college with that move and hurt smith and calico as well before hr hurt TO......if he really didn't want to injure them then why continue to do that very dangerous tackle?

you really think that hes thinking about blowing out thier acl's or even hurting them you have to be crazy.

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"im running after a dude that running a 4.4 and i want to win this game but shit if i tackle him by his collar he might get hurt so im going to do it"



is this shit stupid to anyone else?
 

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actually it's not condoned anymore, it's been marked illegal now.

and instinct tells you to tackle someone, not to tackle someone in such a way that causes the least amount of injury.

bottom line is, it's still fucked up that you think it'd be ok to have gruden mark vick and get him injured intentionally.
 

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after FOUR times hurting people if you felt any remorse you would train yourself not to make the tackle like that. it is also much easier to tackle the guy from the back or at the legs than that. think about it jasin, if you are in pursuit of a guy does instinct to tackle him...dead pursuit right behind him in what instance would you pull him down by the neck?????? you'd dive for the legs like everyone else, not named roy williams, does
 

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Dsethi said:
actually it's not condoned anymore, it's been marked illegal now.

and instinct tells you to tackle someone, not to tackle someone in such a way that causes the least amount of injury.

bottom line is, it's still fucked up that you think it'd be ok to have gruden mark vick and get him injured intentionally.

its been MARKED illegal, but its never called. im just saying this.....dont pick and choose what's cheap and what's not. if you allow williams to do those tackles....allow and expect those scrums for fumbles......and basically allow some cheapshots but not others than how is that fair? its not......and i see no difference between an open cheap shot on a player and a roy williams tackle or a battle for a loose ball where guys are getting their balls squeezed/bit/kicked

its all hypocritical, unethical, and revolting
 

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what are u talking about, it rarely if ever occurs now, the rule has only been in place for a couple of years.

regardless of whether or not a play is cheap, you're talking about intentionally injuring a guy just to win. you can't justify that.
 

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dsethi, tell that to Earnhardt fans.........

and it rarely occured before williams came into the league. williams is basically the only player in the league to do that tackle on a regular basis. and williams didn't stop that tackle until the outcry after he injured TO in 2004 when people looked back and realized how many people he had fucked up doing that before the TO incident
 

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fuck you moral queers. Hines is right, you want to win the game? take out vick. Maybe don't do it illegally, but make sure you hit him as often as possible.
This is real life, not some fantasy TV show where everyone plays fair. The fact is I have TB -5.5, and if Vick is in the way of me winning that bet, someone should break his leg.
 

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joeyfitzclick said:
Gaylord Perry. Lol.

:puppy: Gotta admit I did not expect Gaylord Perry in this thread....

I will give Hines a mulligan here, he is a good guy :grandmais
 

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juice said:
fuck you moral queers. Hines is right, you want to win the game? take out vick. Maybe don't do it illegally, but make sure you hit him as often as possible.
This is real life, not some fantasy TV show where everyone plays fair. The fact is I have TB -5.5, and if Vick is in the way of me winning that bet, someone should break his leg.
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juice said:
fuck you moral queers. Hines is right, you want to win the game? take out vick. Maybe don't do it illegally, but make sure you hit him as often as possible.
This is real life, not some fantasy TV show where everyone plays fair. The fact is I have TB -5.5, and if Vick is in the way of me winning that bet, someone should break his leg.
hines isn't saying do it fairly, he's saying do it illegally and unfairly.

of course u hit vick as many times as u can, thats what EVERYONE does in the league. that's not unfair or illegal, that's how the game is played.

The game is not played in a fashion where you rack up roughing-the-passer penalties to take Vick out.
 

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This thread makes me respect Teazeman even more, and also shows me dsethi is a solid man as well.
Hines, no need to argue the point.
 

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