A middle is when you win both bets and is more common in football. Team A -6.5, team B +7.5 and it lands on a 7 winning both bets. If you lay -110 on each team you always lose when the outcome is not Team A winning by 7.
A scalp is when you play Yankees for -160 and Minnesota for +185. Only one bet wins but you win irrespective of the outcome. This was indeed a classic, slow move all day with no reverses, obviously propelled by squares.
A scalp is when you play Yankees for -160 and Minnesota for +185. Only one bet wins but you win irrespective of the outcome. This was indeed a classic, slow move all day with no reverses, obviously propelled by squares.
Wil:
Minne -110
Yankess +120
Normally the play would be Minne $110 to win $100 / NYY $100 to win $120. Net profit of 10$ if the dog wins break even favorite
Now try this with the same lines Minne $115 to win $104.54 / NYY $ 100 to win $120. Net profit of $5.46 if the dog wins / Net profit of $5.00 if the favorite wins
Make sense Wil?
Hitman
Minne -110
Yankess +120
Normally the play would be Minne $110 to win $100 / NYY $100 to win $120. Net profit of 10$ if the dog wins break even favorite
Now try this with the same lines Minne $115 to win $104.54 / NYY $ 100 to win $120. Net profit of $5.46 if the dog wins / Net profit of $5.00 if the favorite wins
Make sense Wil?
Hitman
Yes that makes sense if you want to turn a 10 cent scalp into a 5 cent scalp. I guess it is a matter of preference. I suppose the guarantee of even small money would make it worth it. Most scalpers I have ever dealt with have gone for the full scalp by betting to win $100 or $1000 etc. and picking up the larger figure when the dog wins. Another factor is the size of scalps finding even 10 cents is not easy. 4, 5 or 6 cents in baseball is not an uncommon play for scalpers. Using your example betting $100 on NY at +20 and $110 on Minn at -110 you would win $20 every time NY won, and break even when Minn won. Which is more profitable over the long run?
wil.
wil.
Wil: No you would only win 10$ if the yankees win. -110 +120
It's pretty much the same either way you go. Either 5 bucks every time (my way) or 10 bucks every other time (your way) I will tell you what I would do if it were me in this situation if you want me too.
Stick with me and you will be wearing diamonds as big as horseturds
It's pretty much the same either way you go. Either 5 bucks every time (my way) or 10 bucks every other time (your way) I will tell you what I would do if it were me in this situation if you want me too.
Stick with me and you will be wearing diamonds as big as horseturds
I screwed the math up in my first example:
Minne -110
NYY +120
Risk 115 to win 104.54 Minne
Risk 100 to win 120 NYY
It should have read if the dog wins you win 5$ (120 -115)
If the favorite wins you win 4.54$ (-100 +104.54)
I was still reeling from the Yankees game that is why I made the math error
Hitman
Minne -110
NYY +120
Risk 115 to win 104.54 Minne
Risk 100 to win 120 NYY
It should have read if the dog wins you win 5$ (120 -115)
If the favorite wins you win 4.54$ (-100 +104.54)
I was still reeling from the Yankees game that is why I made the math error
Hitman
Right my mistake on the $20 also. It should be $10 for this example. Mathamatically speaking there is not a lot of difference between the 2 plays over say 1000 games.
Between the 4 options the results are win either:
$4.54
$5.00
$10.00
$0.00
A bettor loses the chance for the $10 win to insure at least a $5.00 or $4.54 win. I guess anrgument could be made that the favorite will win more often enough to offset the (in this case) .46 cent difference you lose when the favorite wins. Essentially splitting hairs finacially speaking.
wil.
Between the 4 options the results are win either:
$4.54
$5.00
$10.00
$0.00
A bettor loses the chance for the $10 win to insure at least a $5.00 or $4.54 win. I guess anrgument could be made that the favorite will win more often enough to offset the (in this case) .46 cent difference you lose when the favorite wins. Essentially splitting hairs finacially speaking.
wil.
Of course the reverse can also true... the scalp can be set up to profit ONLY if the favorite wins.......
This is how I usually set them up myself.... Under this Scenerio SCALPERS would have cashed betting the:
YANKEES -160
& then taking just enough on the TWINS +185 to WIN the EXACT amount you risked on the YANKEES....
this way if Yankees win you make SCALP profit & if TWINS win you break even....
It is just easier to set up the scalp for the dog to win... But not smarter as Dogs will lose more often than favorites....
Sport Savant:
I've done it that way myself too. But my favortie way to do it is to set up the side where if the sharp book side loses (and 99% of the time it's the book that begins with the letter P) I will break even, or even lose a little depending on my risk tolerance that day. And if the sharp book side wins I win. Although lately the sharp book isn't doing so well.
Hitman
I've done it that way myself too. But my favortie way to do it is to set up the side where if the sharp book side loses (and 99% of the time it's the book that begins with the letter P) I will break even, or even lose a little depending on my risk tolerance that day. And if the sharp book side wins I win. Although lately the sharp book isn't doing so well.
Hitman
Sport Savant:
Exactly! A couple of weeks ago I turned a bet (I think it was the Pirates vs the Cubs) into Pirates +1.5 +400. LOL Of course I took and early lead on the line and held it for about 3 or 4 hours but still it was fun.
It sure is nice to find someone who speaks the same language I do
Exactly! A couple of weeks ago I turned a bet (I think it was the Pirates vs the Cubs) into Pirates +1.5 +400. LOL Of course I took and early lead on the line and held it for about 3 or 4 hours but still it was fun.
It sure is nice to find someone who speaks the same language I do
