Got a question concerning casinos certifications

[Co-Captain]

Aloha Gang,

I am somewhat ignorant about what certifications are required to be obtained by sportsbook casinos in order to maintain the integrety of fair play for its customers. For example, as far as random generations of numbers appearing, is there some type of certification that casinos are suppose to get which will OK the fair running of their games.

The reason I am asking is because of recent play by me and another collegue who have come across play that in no way presented random activity. We were told by a customer rep from this company that they get certified to check there casino operation for fairness and random activity. But when I requested that I be given a copy of this certification, I was continuously denied for no apparent reasoning.

I also was told, by a Manager, that they can email me my casino log play. Which I felt could allow me a chance to show where it was in the game that unusual repeated occurances dicted non-random activity. I don't know if this was a bluff by this Manager, because when I consistantly requested this log play sent to me, I was told that they cant give out this information to me cause it is needed for their protection, not to.

Anyways, if anyone can share some light about these two situations , I would surely appreciate it. Hard to present an agrument for something when your not educated and lacking the right information. thanks for your assistance.

 

[hanover00]

I'm assuming that you are refering to "off-shore" casinos. You don't really expect them to be using truly random number generators do you? You don't really expect them to send you anything do you?

Sorry, but you need to give some thought to the types of operations you are dealing with and the fact that there are no requirements to be fair to you.

 

[Co-Captain]

Well, I am fairly new to the online casinos, but I have been told by this sportbook casino and another sportsbook casino which is highly advertised here , that they can send me my casino log play. I also was told by this current sportsbbook casino that they are certified for random generation , ex for craps. Now, if this book casino is bullshitting me, then it needs to be known about their fairness and integrity when it comes to treating us players with respect, but more so with fairness. If not they should be shut down.

All I want is what they said they could do and what they claim they are checked and certified. What do they think that I'm just going to take their word that what they say is the truth.

 

[areeff]

Most namely PWC. PWC means NOTHING

 

[Co-Captain]

So, I guess your only proof of a game not generating a consistant random generation throughout your entire play, is to check your play log and show the unrandom activities that frequently have occurred.

 

[WildBill]

Problem for you is I don't think you would win your case, even if it was a Nevada corporation run online casino. Things that don't seem common DO happen with random number generators and courts just laugh at people that challenge this notion. An attorney who lost millions, can't remember the exact number, sued a casino in Missouri saying it's certain bank of slot machines were fixed not to pay out. His assertion was that he played for over a year and a half and lost the money while the game never paid out a jackpot. He got some mathematician to figure out the odds and it was something like one in 3 million chance that the machine didn't pay out by this point. The gaming commission looked at the chip and the game and said it was just a random occurence and the judge laughed the guy out of court saying your chances of winning are over one in a million so why be so shocked at a such a result???

 

[hanover00]

The thing is, even of he were to obtain enough data to prove his assertion, who is he going to prove it to? The gaming commission in Outer Congolia? Maybe the President of Costa Rica will open an official inquiry.

 

[WildBill]

I am just pointing out that what seems impossible isn't. Unless you were playing craps and the dice were showing 13 or more on a roll you would have a near impossible task of proving anything that occurred was rigged. I know a guy that was a boxman at a craps table about 8 years ago. He called me up afterwards saying the casino got cleaned out like you wouldn't believe. The table was already running pretty good when a shooter got the dice. He rolled a 3 first, then he rolled 14 elevens in a row! He knows because after the shift was over the managers called them all into a surveillance room to check the tape, they were suspecting loaded dice. The found no evidence of it as after the guy sevened out the dice were taken away and inspected against their carefully detailed log. After the 3rd "yo", everyone was starting to put a little money on it happening and everyone was getting a 15-1 payoff. Presses starting coming left and right and they literally cleaned out the box, guys that walked up to the table with $50 and $100 buy-ins were leaving with a handful of purple chips. He couldn't believe what he saw, but it happened. My buddy was really screwed because guys in the box don't share in the toke pool, which after that roll ended was estimated to be around 13k, helped out by the table's lone high roller who put up a $500 chip for the boys while putting out the table limit of $2000 for himself and hitting it.

Now with stories like this happening, how could anything not be possible?

 

[damiandunlap]

casinos certifications , dont mean nothing.

only play at the big online casino and a few are fixed even there.

rtg backs casinos are fair, but if they casino owner dont want to pay u , u want get paid, unlike micro back casinos , wich the software maker will get u paid , if the owner runs out on you.

safe casino , casino on net, intercasino, william hill, highpoint, casino365

 

[Co-Captain]

My concern also. is if it is so hard to prove, why then are online casinos so afraid to provide you with the documents they say they can. Ex, customers play log,etc. By not providing the customer with things like this or others, it seems like you are hiding something. It also shows others that you aint at all about customer care, and only about the profits. Sorry, online casino, but you aint the only fish in the sea. If I aint important to keep around, then you aint important enough to suck my dick.